US OPEN, Flushing Meadows, NY, USA, GRAND SLAM (Men)

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Good wins for the two Frenchmen. Finally I can watch a bit more over the long weekend.

I don't know what to think about Nole's position. Good that he had a bit of rest if he is ailing, but lack of competition can't be really all that good. I guess we'll see.
I think Nole will survive the lack of competition. Thrilled for Tsonga and Monfils. Both are playing very well. I think Joe has finally found a color that outshines his smile. And I think Rafa is showing excellent form. All good news for the top of the draw. We can discuss the other half tomorrow.
 
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Surprised at the Cilic result, he was my dark horse.

But he is not known for his consistency, really. He is not the guy who constantly goes deep in tournaments, just once in a blue moon. Perhaps he has an injury, tough to know. Is it Bjorkman working now with him? Maybe the relationship still needs some work for him to play consistently well.
 

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Tomorrow:

Arthur Ashe stadium: Murray vs Lorenzi (after 2 ladies' matches) and at night Kyrgios vs Marchenko

Louis Armstrong : Del Potro vs Ferrer and Evans vs Wawrinka (after 2 ladies' matches)

Grandstand: Thiem vs Carreno Busta, and after 2 ladies' matches Nishikori vs Mahut

Court 17: Sousa vs Dimitrov and Karlovic vs Donaldson
 

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Beyond Murray likely making short work of Lorenzi, there could be some very interesting matches on the men's side. Kyrgios should also have a straightforward match, but it's hard to imagine that drama wouldn't be involved. You'd think that Nishikori would get rid of Mahut easily, but he hasn't looked so confident of late. The rest could be tuck in for the longer haul.
 
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I think Nole will survive the lack of competition. Thrilled for Tsonga and Monfils. Both are playing very well. I think Joe has finally found a color that outshines his smile. And I think Rafa is showing excellent form. All good news for the top of the draw. We can discuss the other half tomorrow.

i think Moxie is correct about NOLE on this. Nole has been playing the first 2 rounds as if he's NOT feeling as prepared as he wants to be TO FEEL confident.

and IF that also has to do not just with not winning In RIO and lingering 'disappointed" feeling since wimbledon -- BUT with the added ''half-mind" because of his wrist -- then maybe a few days EXTRA ''rest and check" of his game - those few extra days to ''restart" the engine in higher mode just might do him good.

it's almost as if the USO 'is a few days too early" for nole's ''fighting form" so -- i expect it should do him good for monday.
 

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Ha ha ha. Aggie? Aw.

I know what you mean about the visceral dislike of certain players. I don't know why but I can't hardly stand Madison Keys; something about her irks me.

it's just our own human frailty maybe. at least for me -- it's probably just me - and i have my own ''moods" towards players ...but heck - we can have our likes and dislikes - and being self-indulging --
and that just happens to be my set of indulgence not liking these two i named...

i mean -- i DIDN'T like HINGIS at all because of how presumptuous she was about having replaced MY steffi and talking smack abotu steffi in her absence or was struggling in her comeback from her knee that was almost career- ending -- and definitely probably career- shortening anywayWHEN Stefanie got sick and tired of all the 'slavery to training and it's not fun anymore" (as she said at that time)

BUT i was always in awe of HINGIS' talent -- and i am NOT with radwa's.

hingis had TONS - KABOODLES of attitude yes -- even very insulting to me steffi -- BUT hingis DID back it up with her performances and during a time when HER style -- extraordinary as HER TALENT was WAS not A VERY RARE thing at all...TOUCH was STILL very much as much as the order of the day as opposed to the more ''bang,bang style" from the baseline today - even from the weaker players -- so

HINGIS - in her TALENT did HAVE to shine among players who HAD plenty of variety -- not least steffi herself , or davenport, or novotna...etc..that are in very short quantity nowadays where RADWA'S sheer LACK OF POWER (WHICH hingis had MORE of, in reality) --

MAKES her artificially stand out like she's some kind of genius when in fact she is NOT --just a pusher who puts in the ''original style" of her UGLY looking squash shot -- and is a ''mystery" to most player sTODAY who simply are NOT familiar or trained in how to deal with ''no power" shots , no pace shots

that was SO much a PART of the variety that characterised the graf era IN WHICH HINGIS stepped in and proved HERSELF ALONG with a healthy measure of HER own power (except that serena and venus SIMPLY were far, far too much for her to handle inthe end and HAD their OWN bag of touch tennis) .

so -- i have this distaste for radwanska -- maybe because of this HYPE like she is some kind of ''revelation from heaven"

when in fact - it's really just because she knows how to play what amounts to a SMALL GAME -- that 90 percent can't figure out because it has DISAPPEARED from THEIR own arsenals!

an allegory would be :

"when you are singing against CHOIR that doesn't know how to sing soft notes -- then YOU look like a genius for having a SMALL VOICE".

BUT -- LOOKING like a genius and hyped as such -- does NOT make you ONE!

it only really means -- you have a SMALL voice among people who dont know how to practice singing softly ...that's all really.

then on TOP of that -- her attitude that i find cold and thinly veiled in its condescension at the shots her rivals make (especially when they WIN the point) - is like watching someone who thinks she is OWED that RUN to the finals in majors when all she is capable of against the REAL big time , big game players on a good day of focused tennis the way they SHOULD ...

is to get SQUASHED like a bug on court.

HINGIS had the attitude that went with her REAL high quality talent , hands and brain -- backed up by her five majors.

radwa has attitude that ISN'T backed up by that kind of achievement.

and i DON'T care what people say about how polite and soft-[spoken she is...to me -- she gives off that ''feel" that somehow she thinks she actually is BETTER than the ones that actually WIN THE BIG prizes and finals than she or OVER her.

and as far as i am concerned -- she is the queen of the small tournaments -- like SEOUL open...........so people need to stop HYPING her as if she is some kind of world beater.
 
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Nadal's English has really improved. That's the most positive thing I can say about watching him right now, lol.

I'm not being harsh on him or anything, with the wrist and the inconsistent year we can't really expect him to be at his best, but I'm not too happy with the serve or the forehand. The backhand and movement are good, but I don't see how he can really threaten to win this tournament with the two most important shots not working.
 

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Nadal's English has really improved. That's the most positive thing I can say about watching him right now, lol.

I'm not being harsh on him or anything, with the wrist and the inconsistent year we can't really expect him to be at his best, but I'm not too happy with the serve or the forehand. The backhand and movement are good, but I don't see how he can really threaten to win this tournament with the two most important shots not working.

Funnily enough, I had been thinking the same about his English, but I was randomly thinking back to when he really didn't speak any at all. Now, I agree about the serve, and some commentator also mentioned not liking his new position on the ad court, but he's hit a lot of FH winners in recent matches. Though he is more confident with the BH these days. But why so down on the FH?
 
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I think Nole will survive the lack of competition. Thrilled for Tsonga and Monfils. Both are playing very well. I think Joe has finally found a color that outshines his smile. And I think Rafa is showing excellent form. All good news for the top of the draw. We can discuss the other half tomorrow.
Pouille is good too, happy about Frenchies performances for the moment
 

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Funnily enough, I had been thinking the same about his English, but I was randomly thinking back to when he really didn't speak any at all. Now, I agree about the serve, and some commentator also mentioned not liking his new position on the ad court, but he's hit a lot of FH winners in recent matches. Though he is more confident with the BH these days. But why so down on the FH?

I used to think that Rafa's down the line and inside out forehands were the barometer to how confident/good he's playing. But over the years, I'm more on the side that it's his cross court forehand, and how deep he's hitting it, and more importantly, how it's bouncing off the court (he doesn't always need great depth on courts that eat up his spin b/c the ball explodes off the bounce). Because hitting his cross court forehand with ferocity is what allows him to go for his down the line forehand and his inside out forehand. So to me, Nadal's rally forehand is the most important aspect of his game. When he's hitting it well, he feels confident enough to change directions and go up the line early in the rallies, and play with more aggression in general.

His rally forehand looks a touch harmless right now, relatively speaking of course. Naturally, the kind of opponents he's facing now in the early rounds aren't ones who can capitalize, and these are opponents he can outplay through other means anyway.

You can visibly see him struggling to gain space and get closer to the baseline as a result of not hitting his c/c forehand well enough. He's having to do some running as a result, not necessarily being in super defensive mode (but you can see him moving a lot during rallies), and to be fair, he's moving quite well. Far better than he was in 2015 IMO.
 
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Pouille is good too, happy about Frenchies performances for the moment
Even Mahut is still in. I think that means France still has the most players still alive on the men's side. Spain and Britain still have 3. US still has two, and not necessarily the expected ones, in Sock and Donaldson.
 
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I used to think that Rafa's down the line and inside out forehands were the barometer to how confident/good he's playing. But over the years, I'm more on the side that it's his cross court forehand, and how deep he's hitting it, and more importantly, how it's bouncing off the court (he doesn't always need great depth on courts that eat up his spin b/c the ball explodes off the bounce). Because hitting his cross court forehand with ferocity is what allows him to go for his down the line forehand and his inside out forehand. So to me, Nadal's rally forehand is the most important aspect of his game. When he's hitting it well, he feels confident enough to change directions and go up the line early in the rallies, and play with more aggression in general.

His rally forehand looks a touch harmless right now, relatively speaking of course. Naturally, the kind of opponents he's facing now in the early rounds aren't ones who can capitalize, and these are opponents he can outplay through other means anyway.

You can visibly see him struggling to gain space and get closer to the baseline as a result of not hitting his c/c forehand well enough. He's having to do some running as a result, not necessarily being in super defensive mode (but you can see him moving a lot during rallies), and to be fair, he's moving quite well. Far better than he was in 2015 IMO.
That's a helpful analysis. I know it's easier for him to hit deep and look like a superstar against lesser opponents. It's not hard for him to look better than he did for most of 2015, but I agree that he does.
 
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Nadal's English has really improved. That's the most positive thing I can say about watching him right now, lol.

I'm not being harsh on him or anything, with the wrist and the inconsistent year we can't really expect him to be at his best, but I'm not too happy with the serve or the forehand. The backhand and movement are good, but I don't see how he can really threaten to win this tournament with the two most important shots not working.


THIS IS understandable ..both rafa's state and your dissatisfaction.

i think he just has to do it be FEEL - if nothing else. everything is as the moment feels and requires and for him, i suspect , it's still at the stage.
so long as it doesn't get pushed into relapse which makes things worse for his long-term prospects. for now -- we can at least be happy that he IS back - and in some form reminiscent of his best performances.

i DON'T fully expect him to win it - if especially even if he reaches the finals and/or meets a fully in form ANDY or anyone of the big hitters including NOLE of course.

but i'm personally - as a rafa fan purely -- jusT really happy to see him back - and seemingly enjoying giving it a GOOD shot - as he is doing right now.

let's see how it unfolds match by match if he can keep going.
 

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Funnily enough, I had been thinking the same about his English, but I was randomly thinking back to when he really didn't speak any at all. Now, I agree about the serve, and some commentator also mentioned not liking his new position on the ad court, but he's hit a lot of FH winners in recent matches. Though he is more confident with the BH these days. But why so down on the FH?


when he was new -- he revealed that he studied his english books every night. just before going to bed and then reading news and he goes to sleep.
 

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I'm watching something of a battle of young guns in Thiem v. Carreño Busta. PCB just won his first tourney in Winston-Salem (he's 25,) and Thiem's bday is today (23.) They're older edge of younger bunch, but still, this would have been a first rounder a year ago. PCB took the first, Dominic the second.
 
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halep over at the women\s in a bit of trouble..she could lose her service here - at 15-30 - 3-4...

15-40...30-40....deuce...ad for halep...survived THAT
 

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thiem machine emerges from the toilet to win in four..1-6, 6-4, 6-4, 7-5. vamos daddio.
 

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The anticipated quick work of Lorenzi by Murray is anything but.
It is 1 set a piece, both sets were featuring long gruelling points, and Lorenzi does not look like getting tired.