US Open 2019, Flushing Meadows, NY USA - Grand Slam (Men)

[Front242]

Fed should pretend he's at RG and play accordingly.

It's shocking how much USO has slowed down. I still remember the days where you could barely see the ball there, it would just zip off the surface. Sad, really sad.

Even more shocking to read some idiots here saying it's super fast lol.

Maybe the armchair experts should trust Federer and Barty over their own crap eyesight. They both said it's slow and pretty sure they know better.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1171638/Roger-Federer-Ashleigh-Barty-US-Open-court-speed

 

[herios]

Oh, come on...2018 AO final v. Fed. 5 sets.

I am not sure what you read in my post.
I was responding to @kskate2 who was wondering when was Verdasco last time in a QF in a slam.

 

[kskate2]

US Open Order of Play for Round 3 Friday, August 30, 2019

 

[Fedal_fan]

I know this is kind of late. But I wrote this a week back and thought of sharing this with you all. I got quite a few things wrong up to now. However, would like to know what you guys thought at the beginning of the US Open and how your thoughts were different to mine.

 

[isabelle]

hope Stanimal can reach 2nd week

 

[Moxie]

I am not sure what you read in my post.
I was responding to @kskate2 who was wondering when was Verdasco last time in a QF in a slam.

Yes, I was watching Cilic, so I assumed that's who you were talking about. Sorry for only half paying attention.

 

[britbox]

I know this is kind of late. But I wrote this a week back and thought of sharing this with you all. I got quite a few things wrong up to now. However, would like to know what you guys thought at the beginning of the US Open and how your thoughts were different to mine.

Fair play for posting it. Easy to be wise after the event. I wasn't a million miles away from your assessments before the tournament.

 

[DarthFed]

Again, all the stuff above (and it really is a lot of nonsense) doesn't address the fact that 20 would still be A LOT unless someone surpasses it by A LOT. Consistency is not about how I look at it. Being the number 1 ranked player in the world for FOUR FUCKING YEARS is consistent, especially when you factor in that this was over a decade ago and he's still competing for/winning majors now. So no, this is not some subjective issue that you get to question due to saltiness and insecurities.

And again, being potentially surpassed by Nadal and/or Djokovic does not mean he underachieved unless they surpass him significantly (in which case you'd wonder why someone with Fed's talent wasn't able to do the same). This is literally not arguable, especially if you actually bother to think about it in a nuanced way in which you assess the circumstances, rather than being petulantly bitter. If Djokovic were to surpass him, there are clear factors as to why:

1- He's an insanely talented player (not much below Federer by the way) who's one of the greatest ever. However, unlike Federer, when he hit his late 20's/early 30's (which is typically when players' results/consistency drops) he didn't have a prime Nadal/Federer to deal with. In fact, both had been fading, and the competition in general since 2015 has been pitiful. This is not an "easy competition" argument meant to downplay Djokovic as he clearly won majors and dominated when the competition was insane, but there can be no doubt that he benefited from that, unlike Roger who, once he hit that age, had Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and a generally better tour to deal with. Therefore, Novak was able to rack up a few slams at an age where Fed didn't find it as easy.

2- Rafael Nadal, another once in a lifetime talent, on clay, is better than anyone has been at tennis anywhere, meaning that he's so far been able to win 12 majors at RG alone and will probably win more. Well, if he won 12 majors at the same fucking Grand Slam, and he's also excellent on other surfaces, then it's really no shame that he's close to Roger. And yes, make no mistake about it, Nadal is much better on clay than Federer is anywhere else, including grass, and that's not much of a debate.

So yes, did Roger miss out on a few opportunities in his career that he should be kicking himself for? Absolutely. The 2009 US Open final and this year's Wimbledon final were two majors he should have in the bag, no questions asked.

However, he's also won 20 fucking majors. And you'd have to employ some ridiculously stupid logic to claim that "Roger is the GOAT because he's won 20 majors and has a shit ton of other accomplishments" only to switch to "he's underachieved" just because someone won one extra major. That I have to explain this to you is truly insane.

Your whole argument seems to be that 21 > 20 therefore 20 isn't as good or as impressive. Well, no shit. It does not, however, make any of your claims about him underachieving, or worse yet, about those 20 majors being "completely insignificant" any more true.

Being all dramatic/going postal style about it isn't going to prove your points. I don't see what is so difficult to follow. Roger has undoubtedly had the most colllapses compared to any of them. He is generally considered a good amount more talented as well. Right now 20 is tremendous because it is more than anyone else, but it ceases to be tremendous if 1 or 2 of his peers passes it up. Not really much different than the concept of value of money and inflation, except that of course usually happens over a longer period of time. At one point $20,000 per year would have you living like a king...

You seem hell bent on comparing his resume to previous eras where careers were half as long and there was much greater variety in surfaces and playing styles. So in theory if he finishes with the 2nd or 3rd most majors in his era how is 20 majors "fucking insane?" Is 28 MS events currently "fucking insane?"

And as for competition arguments I totally agree that Djokovic and Nadal had it much easier in their 30's but I'd also agree with the frequent argument that Federer had it easier in his early-mid 20's than those two. If anything it evened out.

You clearly moved the goal posts on consistency. Roger in his prime was ridiculously consistent and more dominant than the others by a good measure. But yet he is at risk of getting passed up in large part due to the aforementioned disastrous 7 year period between AO 2010-AO2017. That wasn't just strong competition by the way, it is a period marred with losses against a bunch of nobodies as Roger only made 5 major finals and barely was making 50% of semis in that period. Of course a lot of them were complete collapses which goes back to the fact that those mental disasters simply don't happen to the other top guys. Thus the underachieving.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

The form that Roger is showing currently, a guy like Evans is exactly whom you don't want to play. I worry about this one...

 

[Moxie]

@Moxie Out of curiosity, I looked up the official record since 2005:

2005 Australian Open R64: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-1, 4-6, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
2005 Australian Open R16: Lleyton Hewitt def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 3-6, 1-6, 7-6, 6-2)
2005 Miami F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-3, 6-1)
2005 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Guillermo Coria (6-4, 3-6, 6-3, 4-6, 7-6)
2005 Madrid Indoor F: Rafael Nadal def. Ivan Ljubicic (3-6, 2-6, 6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
2006 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6)
2006 Wimbledon R64: Rafael Nadal def. Robert Kendrick (6-7, 3-6, 7-6, 7-5, 6-4)
2007 Australian Open R16: Rafael Nadal def. Andy Murray (6-7, 6-4, 4-6, 6-3, 6-1)
2007 Wimbledon R32: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 4-6, 7-5)
2007 Wimbledon R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (4-6, 3-6, 6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
2007 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-2)
2008 Wimbledon F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 9-7)
2009 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Fernando Verdasco (6-7, 6-4, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4)
2009 Australian Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-2)
2010 Wimbledon R64: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Haase (5-7, 6-2, 3-6, 6-0, 6-3)
2010 Wimbledon R32: Rafael Nadal def. Philipp Petzschner (6-4, 4-6, 6-7, 6-2, 6-3)
2011 French Open R128: Rafael Nadal def. John Isner (6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 6-2, 6-4)
2012 Australian Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (5-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5)
2012 Wimbledon R64: Lukas Rosol def. Rafael Nadal (6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 2-6, 6-4)
2013 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
2015 Australian Open R64: Rafael Nadal def. Tim Smyczek (6-2, 3-6, 6-7, 6-3, 7-5)
2015 US Open R32: Fabio Fognini def. Rafael Nadal (3-6, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-4)
2016 Australian Open R128: Fernando Verdasco def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 3-6, 7-6, 6-2)
2016 US Open R16: Lucas Pouille def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 2-6, 6-4, 3-6, 7-6)
2017 Australian Open R32: Rafael Nadal def. Alexander Zverev (4-6, 6-3, 6-7, 6-3, 6-2)
2017 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Grigor Dimitrov (6-3, 5-7, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4)
2017 Australian Open R64: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 3-6, 6-3)
2017 Wimbledon R16: Gilles Muller def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4, 3-6, 4-6, 15-13)
2018 Australian Open QF: Marin Cilic def. Rafael Nadal (3-6, 6-3, 6-7, 6-2, 2-0)
2018 Wimbledon QF: Rafael Nadal def. Juan Martin del Potro (7-5, 6-7, 4-6, 6-4, 6-4)
2018 Wimbledon SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 10-8)
2018 US Open QF: Rafael Nadal def. Dominic Thiem (0-6, 6-4, 7-5, 6-7, 7-6)

Thanks for that. It's not a lot, but earlier on, he hardly ever lost a 5-setter.

BTW, I don't think anyone mentioned that your boyfriend won his match yesterday. Nice job.

 

[Front242]

The form that Roger is showing currently, a guy like Evans is exactly whom you don't want to play. I worry about this one...

He practiced with Millman who then beat him. Now he's practicing with Evans. I have a bad feeling about this match too.

 

[DarthFed]

The form that Roger is showing currently, a guy like Evans is exactly whom you don't want to play. I worry about this one...

Pouille is a bigger threat IMO. He has a bigger game and serve so a few loose service games and Fed could lose that in a hurry. If he loses to Evans he would have been smoked by Pouille.

 

[Front242]

In the women's matches tomorrow Ostapenko plays K. Ahn. I thought The Kahn plays Chung next...

 

[Moxie]

In the women's matches tomorrow Ostapenko plays K. Ahn. I thought The Kahn plays Chung next...

Transitioned to female between rounds. The kid is quick.

 

[atttomole]

He missed two volleys that he usually makes with eyes closed.

 

[Michael;Kiwi]

I’m very happy with Federer’s progression. I’m pretty sure the bad play is mostly mental and maybe a little rust. His play is inproving with every match. I think as he gets further into the tournament he will become more focused on the opportunity to make Wimbledon just the start of a great comeback story. Secondly it is great that he has had several clutch holds at 5-4 in the fourth. I think that especially the one from 0-40 will really help his confidence.

 

[Bonaca]

Pouille is a bigger threat IMO. He has a bigger game and serve so a few loose service games and Fed could lose that in a hurry. If he loses to Evans he would have been smoked by Pouille.

Mr. Darth do you watch the Fed match?
He plays really good!
He is rolling into form.

 

[herios]

Alex de Minaur won the second set. He leads Kei 2:0

 

[Michael;Kiwi]

De Minaur playing great up two sets to love. Nishikori will fight but so will De Minaur. If he can win he should be the favorite in the Round of 16. Unfortunately he would play Federer in the QFs so I can’t root for him, but it would be good for Federer.

 

[Bonaca]

3 return winner in a row from maestro on Evans first serve!
Wow, a pleasure to watch.