US Open 2019, Flushing Meadows, NY USA - Grand Slam (Men)

[calitennis127]

It was pretty ironic to hear Gauff say that she is proud to be an American and represent her country. Isn't that a fascist/neo-Nazi sentiment? I am offended too by ESPN showing the American flag next to her name since that flag represents 400 years of oppression of African-Americans.

It's disappointing to see ESPN be so backwards. Next you thing you know they may not celebrate Bill Jean Ding for the 598th time.

 

[Moxie]

In 2013 at Wimbledon

Oh, come on...2018 AO final v. Fed. 5 sets.

 

[Moxie]

It was pretty ironic to hear Gauff say that she is proud to be an American and represent her country. Isn't that a fascist/neo-Nazi sentiment? I am offended too by ESPN showing the American flag next to her name since that flag represents 400 years of oppression of African-Americans.

It's disappointing to see ESPN be so backwards. Next you thing you know they may not celebrate Bill Jean Ding for the 598th time.

Go back to 4Chan, where they give a shit what you have to say.

 

[kskate2]

Now Verdy down 6-2 in the TB

 

[calitennis127]

Go back to 4Chan, where they give a shit what you have to say.

Never posted there or even been on that site. You just hate losing arguments and having your total ignorance exposed, so naturally you say things like that.

Every time you have nothing to offer substantively you just throw a fit and back it up with nothing of substance. Anything to say about Uranium One? Nope. Anything to say about Stephon Curry throwing a mouthpiece at a referee? Doubtful.

You just hate having your ignorance exposed.

 

[don_fabio]

Typical Verdasco how he lost this 5th set. Just checked the scores and it's all clear. Glad for Chung for improving his ranking and staying healthy for the past month or so.

 

[Moxie]

Now Verdy down 6-2 in the TB

And he lost. What do you expect? He's a coin-flip. Like Paire. Like Pouille. Like Kyrgios. And like Cilic, tbh. Let's see how this one goes.

 

[Moxie]

His wins in 5 set matches has fallen off.

Given his early career pct., that's not surprising. All of the records and percentages fall off if they stay on the tour long enough.

 

[Moxie]

Cilic 1st serve pct for the match, so far, 33%. That's not going to get it done.

 

[AnonymousFan]

Oh, come on...2018 AO final v. Fed. 5 sets.

Verdasco 2013 Wimby QF and then 2010 USO QF his two best results at a GS since ‘09

 

[Fedal_fan]

Day 4 Summary

Long day at Flushing Meadows. Let’s review the key highlights of the top half;

· Medvedev, Goffin and Stan are through to round 3. Even though, Medvedev and Goffin have challenging Spanish opponents in Feliciano López and Carreño Busta, Stan is almost certain to set up an interesting fourth round clash with the Djoker.

· Evans downed Pouille to set up a match with Roger, which I think would be better for Feds compared to Pouille.

· Matches to watch out in third round – Medvedev vs. Lopez, Goffin vs. Carreño Busta, Nishikori vs. de Minaur

From the bottom half;

· Rafa had a walkover, and he will meet Chung after he won his second consecutive 5 set encounter against Verdasco

· As projected Isner is through to round 3 and looks good to set up a round 4 clash with Rafa as Cilic is struggling against Stebe at time of this write up.

· Rublev and Kyrgios win their respective matches to set up an interesting round 3 encounter.

· Other key players Berrettini, Monfils, Shapovalov, and Schwartzman progeressed without any concerns as Zverev struggled past Tiafoe.

· Matches to watch out in third round – Rublev vs. Kyrgios, Monfils vs. Shapovalov, Isner vs. Čilić (if Cilic survives Stebe)

No major surprises today from Men’s draw, however I expect some surprises tomorrow J

 

[AnonymousFan]

Stebe up a break in the third against Cilic...

6-4 3-6 4-2

 

[Bonaca]

Can Djokovic be any luckier?

What you mean luckier? Luckier than been injured??
Bull gets a WO. What’s that?

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Wow the Arthur Ashe stadium is completely empty for the Cilic match... Obviously Nadal was supposed to play and it would have been full, but it just shows what a difference it is in terms of star power and draw.

 

[kskate2]

His wins in 5 set matches has fallen off.

@Moxie Out of curiosity, I looked up the official record since 2005:

2005 Australian Open R64: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-1, 4-6, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
2005 Australian Open R16: Lleyton Hewitt def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 3-6, 1-6, 7-6, 6-2)
2005 Miami F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-3, 6-1)
2005 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Guillermo Coria (6-4, 3-6, 6-3, 4-6, 7-6)
2005 Madrid Indoor F: Rafael Nadal def. Ivan Ljubicic (3-6, 2-6, 6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
2006 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6)
2006 Wimbledon R64: Rafael Nadal def. Robert Kendrick (6-7, 3-6, 7-6, 7-5, 6-4)
2007 Australian Open R16: Rafael Nadal def. Andy Murray (6-7, 6-4, 4-6, 6-3, 6-1)
2007 Wimbledon R32: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 4-6, 7-5)
2007 Wimbledon R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (4-6, 3-6, 6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
2007 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-2)
2008 Wimbledon F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 9-7)
2009 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Fernando Verdasco (6-7, 6-4, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4)
2009 Australian Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-2)
2010 Wimbledon R64: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Haase (5-7, 6-2, 3-6, 6-0, 6-3)
2010 Wimbledon R32: Rafael Nadal def. Philipp Petzschner (6-4, 4-6, 6-7, 6-2, 6-3)
2011 French Open R128: Rafael Nadal def. John Isner (6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 6-2, 6-4)
2012 Australian Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (5-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5)
2012 Wimbledon R64: Lukas Rosol def. Rafael Nadal (6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 2-6, 6-4)
2013 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
2015 Australian Open R64: Rafael Nadal def. Tim Smyczek (6-2, 3-6, 6-7, 6-3, 7-5)
2015 US Open R32: Fabio Fognini def. Rafael Nadal (3-6, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-4)
2016 Australian Open R128: Fernando Verdasco def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 3-6, 7-6, 6-2)
2016 US Open R16: Lucas Pouille def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 2-6, 6-4, 3-6, 7-6)
2017 Australian Open R32: Rafael Nadal def. Alexander Zverev (4-6, 6-3, 6-7, 6-3, 6-2)
2017 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Grigor Dimitrov (6-3, 5-7, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4)
2017 Australian Open R64: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 3-6, 6-3)
2017 Wimbledon R16: Gilles Muller def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4, 3-6, 4-6, 15-13)
2018 Australian Open QF: Marin Cilic def. Rafael Nadal (3-6, 6-3, 6-7, 6-2, 2-0)
2018 Wimbledon QF: Rafael Nadal def. Juan Martin del Potro (7-5, 6-7, 4-6, 6-4, 6-4)
2018 Wimbledon SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 10-8)
2018 US Open QF: Rafael Nadal def. Dominic Thiem (0-6, 6-4, 7-5, 6-7, 7-6)

 

[monfed]

Chung could also be a walkover for dull as he's played 2 consec 5 setters.

dull's luck is insane.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Not as impressive. Translation = not as good, 20 loses a lot of greatness as soon as someone hits 21. That is the way of sport. And if it is someone from his own era it loses a TON more greatness. And if it's two players from same era? I'd say it'd make his major total completely insignificant.

Yeah he has 6 more than Pete, that may end up being a case of so what. He also has 10 more MS than Agassi who previously held that record and yet when we talk about the strength of Roger's resume I think the very last thing that we'd mention is MS events. Care to guess why that is? Different eras, and we all know what contributes to players today being able to win a ton more.

Consistency is about how you look at it. Roger was a top 3 player in 2011, 2014-2016 pre-injury and now 2019. I look at those as weak seasons for an obvious reason. The real consistency mark is Nadal has 13 seasons with a major, Roger 11 and Nole 9. And the other two are a lot younger...

Again, all the stuff above (and it really is a lot of nonsense) doesn't address the fact that 20 would still be A LOT unless someone surpasses it by A LOT. Consistency is not about how I look at it. Being the number 1 ranked player in the world for FOUR FUCKING YEARS is consistent, especially when you factor in that this was over a decade ago and he's still competing for/winning majors now. So no, this is not some subjective issue that you get to question due to saltiness and insecurities.

And again, being potentially surpassed by Nadal and/or Djokovic does not mean he underachieved unless they surpass him significantly (in which case you'd wonder why someone with Fed's talent wasn't able to do the same). This is literally not arguable, especially if you actually bother to think about it in a nuanced way in which you assess the circumstances, rather than being petulantly bitter. If Djokovic were to surpass him, there are clear factors as to why:

1- He's an insanely talented player (not much below Federer by the way) who's one of the greatest ever. However, unlike Federer, when he hit his late 20's/early 30's (which is typically when players' results/consistency drops) he didn't have a prime Nadal/Federer to deal with. In fact, both had been fading, and the competition in general since 2015 has been pitiful. This is not an "easy competition" argument meant to downplay Djokovic as he clearly won majors and dominated when the competition was insane, but there can be no doubt that he benefited from that, unlike Roger who, once he hit that age, had Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and a generally better tour to deal with. Therefore, Novak was able to rack up a few slams at an age where Fed didn't find it as easy.

2- Rafael Nadal, another once in a lifetime talent, on clay, is better than anyone has been at tennis anywhere, meaning that he's so far been able to win 12 majors at RG alone and will probably win more. Well, if he won 12 majors at the same fucking Grand Slam, and he's also excellent on other surfaces, then it's really no shame that he's close to Roger. And yes, make no mistake about it, Nadal is much better on clay than Federer is anywhere else, including grass, and that's not much of a debate.

So yes, did Roger miss out on a few opportunities in his career that he should be kicking himself for? Absolutely. The 2009 US Open final and this year's Wimbledon final were two majors he should have in the bag, no questions asked.

However, he's also won 20 fucking majors. And you'd have to employ some ridiculously stupid logic to claim that "Roger is the GOAT because he's won 20 majors and has a shit ton of other accomplishments" only to switch to "he's underachieved" just because someone won one extra major. That I have to explain this to you is truly insane.

Your whole argument seems to be that 21 > 20 therefore 20 isn't as good or as impressive. Well, no shit. It does not, however, make any of your claims about him underachieving, or worse yet, about those 20 majors being "completely insignificant" any more true.

 

[kskate2]

US Open Results for Round 2 Day 4 Thursday, August 29, 2019

 

[Front242]

Federer has to SERIOUSLY play a lot better today or he's losing to Evans for sure.

 

[monfed]

Fed should pretend he's at RG and play accordingly.

It's shocking how much USO has slowed down. I still remember the days where you could barely see the ball there, it would just zip off the surface. Sad, really sad.