UK Politics Thread

[britbox]

I believe ze Germans have already said that even if both sides are in agreement that an extension will be necessary

A technical extension on certain terms is probably going to be different than the political extension espoused by the Remain camp.

My thinking is that the rubber meets the road here.

 

[Federberg]

I agree. I'm a currency guy. The charts certainly seem to say we've seen a generational low. If that's the case then it implies the end of uncertainty

 

[britbox]

Juncker rules out an extension.



So, it's Johnson's deal v No Deal.

 

[Federberg]

Juncker rules out an extension.



So, it's Johnson's deal v No Deal.

clearly Juncker hasn't filled his long GBP position yet

 

[britbox]

Car crash interview with Lib Dem's Luisa Porritt.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-dale-is-forced-to-correct-lib-dem-brexit/

 

[britbox]

clearly Juncker hasn't filled his long GBP position yet

Tusk and Merkel haven't ruled out an extension.... so I guess it is still in play. An interesting weekend ahead. My current analysis is that the deal loses a vote, in single digits... but this is on razor wire, and could go either way. I suspect it will get voted down by 3-5 votes. Yes, that close. Fascinating times ahead.

 

[britbox]

Looking more likely that this will squeeze through now. Several Labour MPs now confirmed to be supporting the deal.

 

[Federberg]

 

[Federberg]

 

[britbox]

Still rambling on about the Russians bro?

 

[Federberg]

Yup I still refuse to put my head up my own ass

 

[Federberg]

interesting take...

https://chrisriback.com/fintan-otoole-brexit-and-the-politics-of-pain/

 

[Federberg]

 

[britbox]

Bottom line mate is that you've got a realistic choice of Corbyn or Boris for PM. Any vote for anything other than Conservative will be a vote for Corbyn.. likely as part of a coalition with the LibDems, Plaid and SNP.

 

[Federberg]

Bottom line mate is that you've got a realistic choice of Corbyn or Boris for PM. Any vote for anything other than Conservative will be a vote for Corbyn.. likely as part of a coalition with the LibDems, Plaid and SNP.

let's see how it plays out. I think the Lib Dems have already said that the price of any coalition with Labour would be Corbyn not being PM. So might not be as terrible a choice as one would think. But gun to my head... the certain economic disaster of a WTO UK... I might just take my chances and vote Lib Dem

 

[britbox]

let's see how it plays out. I think the Lib Dems have already said that the price of any coalition with Labour would be Corbyn not being PM. So might not be as terrible a choice as one would think. But gun to my head... the certain economic disaster of a WTO UK... I might just take my chances and vote Lib Dem

I doubt the LibDems will be able to dictate who the leader of the Labour Party is... it's determined at Conference. Labour won't agree to Jo Swinson picking their leader, and neither should she be able to. If you're looking for certainty, then that coalition will give you none. You'll get a second referendum and another Scots referendum... If the Scots vote for independence, then you'll have a Conservative government again once the SNP are out of the commons. That's what happens with your Swinson vote... not a "back in the EU and live happily ever after, like nothing ever happened."

 

[Federberg]

I doubt the LibDems will be able to dictate who the leader of the Labour Party is... it's determined at Conference. Labour won't agree to Jo Swinson picking their leader, and neither should she be able to. If you're looking for certainty, then that coalition will give you none. You'll get a second referendum and another Scots referendum... If the Scots vote for independence, then you'll have a Conservative government again once the SNP are out of the commons. That's what happens with your Swinson vote... not a "back in the EU and live happily ever after, like nothing ever happened."

and yet nevertheless that's what I'll do. Don't want a hard Brexit... sorry

 

[Federberg]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.
I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.
On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.
And on the other hand..
Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
So it’s a tricky one really ‍♂

 

[britbox]

Even his own shadow health secretary said he was a threat to national security.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...emy-corbyn-labour-johnson-brexit-news-latest/

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I do not know a whole lot about the UK politics beyond the main players but whenever I hear this guy Rees-Mogg talk, I listen to what he has to say. Does he have a chance in the Conservative party?