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:cuckoo:And you still can't support your most often repeated statement that the EU cares only about the money, and not even other Brits agree with you, how sad
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The fact that the E.U. wouldn't talk without money going on the table supports that statement. A lot of Brits where I come from agree with me. You don't want to see that because it disproves your beliefs.
And you still can't support your most often repeated statement that the EU cares only about the money, and not even other Brits agree with you, how sad
I trust the Brits (minus you) on this board more, at least they finished their schools.....
I finished school. I've had experience. I go from the experience I gained as well as what I know about certain things. I've got secretarial, library experience as well as retail management & N.V.Q.'s & C.L.A.I.T., E.C.D.L. & O.C.R. (what used to be R.S.A.) level II W.P. I went to college as an adult not a teenager. I chose not to go to college from school because of bullying but went later & wish I'd gone. Just because I didn't go as a teenager doesn't mean I wasn't capable enough. Many don't for the same reason. The tutors wanted me to learn to teach adults P.C.'s. I don't trust you because of all your back-stabbing, anti-British, anti-Muslim, pro-Putin & pro-Kim Jong Un stuff & the fact you change your mind more often than your clothes & are as contradictory as "a tale of 2 cities".
We were having a nice chat about Brexit here then you started posting garbage....
Basically the 1 on-topic statement (EU cares only about the money) you made you couldn't defend..
The rest is off-topic garbage about me.....
Now what you're doing is getting worse than a Federberg-Obsi hijacking and it's not even funny like those....
Learn to stick to the topic Miss Genius....
I didn't. I was posting a side that you didn't consider before. I made 6 good comments. I told you before I write mainly from facts & memory. I told you things that you didn't know as you accepted but forgot when it suited you. I don't waste time looking & believing everything I read on the internet. I'd rather believe printed material because other than fiction printed material has to have an element of truth to it. whereas internet pages aren't regulated for truth so really you can only believe them based on printed materials or with .ac.(country name) or .edu.(country name) on the end or that which goes with what you already know. You forget I live in Britain so know what effect being in the E.U. has on us as I've experienced it, you don't. I live in a different part of the U.K. so have different experiences to the other Brits on here. I didn't say everything I said was true. There is a lot of opinion & experience in my comments as well as the facts as I see & know them. I only started talking about you when you started talking about me so you are exaggerating big-time. You're provoking me. I'd leave you alone if you left me alone. I was sticking to the topic until you started Sir "I'm in charge".
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I would say the integrity of the project is the EU's main concern... giving the UK and easy ride out doesn't send the right signals to other members. Money is an issue with the UK being the EU's 3rd biggest net contributor to the EU budget. The UK leaving will leave a hole in the budget... how big a hole will depend on where the negotiations go. I think the UK has to settle a Divorce bill in some form, as a member it was committing to budgets, pensions etc... I think the UK's opening position in the negotiations were a bit soft and lots of empty words and the EU want to know what liabilities the UK is prepared to cover. It's just part of the negotiating process...
Most of the key things likely won't get decided until we get precariously close to the leaving date. Commerce and Industry in the UK and the EU will start putting a lot of pressure on the politicos to get it done. The UK is/was a net contributor and it also imports more from the EU than it exports out. It'll get done some way or another... that is if the political situation at Westminster doesn't get untenable for May and the government.
Most of the key things likely won't get decided until we get precariously close to the leaving date. Commerce and Industry in the UK and the EU will start putting a lot of pressure on the politicos to get it done. The UK is/was a net contributor and it also imports more from the EU than it exports out. It'll get done some way or another... that is if the political situation at Westminster doesn't get untenable for May and the government.
I agree with most of what you say but think that we paid way more in than we got out so should go without a deal if we don't get a good 1. Then again there are lots of E.U. businesses in the U.K. What do we do about those? Although I can't see a return to mass manufacturing in the U.K. like you it would be a viable solution but to work we'd have to build factories again. We built factories & machines when machines were 1st invented so we could do it again. The lack of employees could be tackled by employing & training up unemployed Brits. This would help supply demand for workers in fruit picking, manufacturing, teaching, nursing, policing & border control. We could grow more of our own goods & sell more of our own goods. We'd have more control of our fishing so our fishermen could sell more & then our farmers wouldn't be as restricted by the law. We could buy British wherever possible. If we became more self-sufficient again our position in the world wouldn't matter as much. The E.U. is not the whole world. There are other countries we could trade with that sell things we can't grow ourselves. Therefore, it would be expensive to start with but we'd gain in the long term. How long we'd have to wait for gains depends on how quickly the government & companies get their act together but we wouldn't have to abide by all their rules which would make Britain safer because we wouldn't have to let everyone in our country even if they were a threat & could deport foreign criminals. Our farmers & fishermen wouldn't be so restricted so could feed our people better so we could buy more local food. I think our government was just letting the E.U. have things their way & that the vote should have been acted on more quickly.
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^ We will continue trade with the EU, just not on the same favourable terms. It won't be on WTO tarifs either (worst case scenario).... somewhere in between. Like I said before, the EU import more into the UK than the UK import to the EU. We will still be trading partners. It's not in the EU interests to squeeze until the pips fall out as EU exporters will be hurt - Germany being one of the main ones. The deal will be a compromise but the EU needs to be perceived around Europe to not make this an easy exit. The biggest hit will be some companies relocating headquarters to the EU block, such as financial institutions.
On the work side of things, the UK can take in as many immigrants as it chooses to for filling any voids. The point being that it will be on a supply and demand basis that the government can control based on need.
There are plenty of opportunities from a Brexit also. It will be interesting to see if the fishing waters are used in the negotiations or they are reclaimed.
On the work side of things, the UK can take in as many immigrants as it chooses to for filling any voids. The point being that it will be on a supply and demand basis that the government can control based on need.
There are plenty of opportunities from a Brexit also. It will be interesting to see if the fishing waters are used in the negotiations or they are reclaimed.
I have no problems with trading with the E.U. if our farmers can't produce the foods & our manufacturers can't make goods. I'm against the extortionate fees they extract from us & the rules they make us abide by for this to happen. I also want to see us buying from other countries who don't charge extortionate fees.
We can also give our people a chance & train our people for jobs. I just want people vetted to ensure they don't pose a threat to us.
Things could go the way I stated but because of how we're used to doing things & the way politicians think will probably go the way you stated. A lot of people from my neck of the woods think similarly to me. We could always holiday in the U.K. to give our country more business too. I think there should be a rule that states our fishermen get most of the rights back & fishermen from abroad are allowed to fish for a fee.
British Farmers can't produce anything like the amount of food required to feed 65 million people - this isn't about isolation and self sufficiency - that's not a viable consideration... nobody wants to advocate WW2 rations. It's really about political accountability. We will trade with the EU like we have since the dawn of time... there will just be some adjustments and negotiated changes to import/export tarifs.
I don't think you'll see any sort of return to large scale manufacturing in the UK and that's not really anything to do with the EU... The EU will bleed manufacturing jobs also....
I don't think you'll see any sort of return to large scale manufacturing in the UK and that's not really anything to do with the EU... The EU will bleed manufacturing jobs also....
Maybe not but it could happen. A lot of our factories closed down because we could buy goods cheaper abroad which is partially to do with the E.U. Not if we all buy British. If we all buy British wherever possible & our factories are up & running again there will be a lot more jobs.
Maybe I am seeing things in a utopian light & the truth is probably going to be something between the doom-mongerers version of the events & mine.
lol, BB thinks Britain can't be self-sufficient... Just wait 'til they clone the Brontë sisters from their earthly remains! Those genius feminists will breed out a type of unicorn that swallows mites from the air and poops out yorkshire puds!!! There will be enough food not only for the 65 million Brits but also for the starving people of Africa
The bad EU won't get any puds because they refused to die when Britain decided to leave, fux you EU
Lol. I didn't mean completely self-sufficient & isolated, just enough to be quite independent & buy British wherever possible. Someone on a bus I was on in Driffield had a similar idea to me & that we should employ Brits to do all this & buy any factories foreign companies leave & employ Brits. Before the vote there were shops near me which said vote for local businesses vote leave. Some shops & market stalls started selling in old weights & measures the day after the vote. I'm not saying the E.U. is all bad. Like I've said before it's good for some things. We didn't vote leave to carry on dealing with the E.U. I didn't even say I wanted the E.U. to die. I guess with the vote being just a little over a 50/50 split for leave we have to consider the wishes of those that wanted to stay as well as the fact there are lots of German, Scandinavian & Polish businesses & people in the U.K.. Tourism is big business so only going on holiday in our country would cause lots of job losses at travel agents & airports etc. Since the vote, more Polish businesses have opened up. I'm sick of all the racist attacks since the vote & the bullying of our M.P.'s which led to the unfortunate death of 1 near us, in broad daylight outside a library which was scary & disgusting. I felt sorry for her poor children.lol, BB thinks Britain can't be self-sufficient... Just wait 'til they clone the Brontë sisters from their earthly remains! Those genius feminists will breed out a type of unicorn that swallows mites from the air and poops out yorkshire puds!!! There will be enough food not only for the 65 million Brits but also for the starving people of Africa
The 2 ideas you came up with were absolutely hilarious.
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O.K. I didn't consider population because geography wasn't a strong point of mine as I had to draw a lot in geography which put me off. I know we learnt about populations of different countries in geography & map-reading but didn't pay much attention. I was that bad at geography that I had to stay in middle set for French although I never got more than 5 questions wrong in exams, did my work in 5 minutes flat, the teacher run out of work to give me, did my homework in 5 minutes flat too, I ended up in the back row with everyone copying off me because history, geography & French were tied until I was given the opportunity to ditch geography when I moved up. My history teacher agreed to move me up although I got everything between an A & a G depending on my mood at the time. All I got in geography was I heard you're a star in French. Congratulations! I was going on the basis as we've done it all before, way before we joined the E.U. way before the E.U. was established even so we can do it again. I agree it would be a tall order for our farmer's to produce enough food for all of us. I still don't fully agree with everything you say though I agree with some of it. That's your opinion & you're entitled to it though like I'm entitled to mine.
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I'm very sorry for my behaviour on here. It wasn't right for me to start off relevant then change subjects using subtle hints each time until I get back to relevant points, then change subjects altogether to prove a point & take part in a slanging match.
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I didn't know about G.A.T.T. before I voted or even contributed to this conversation before. I thought free trade still meant exactly what it said. I guess I had my history head on & was partially living in history & thought that because we built factories up the 1st time round we could again. I still stick by most of what I thought. Our country was in a bad position & we were having to tighten our belts from the government down yet the government still had money to help other countries out in crisis. Lots of elderly & disabled people were struggling because of this. I'd seen for myself some companies only employing foreign workers & workers under 18 who actually admitted they couldn't afford adult British workers. I know the national minimum wage applies to all workers & the only wage that is cheaper is that of younger people but not all foreign workers near us do so some of them are willing to work for less. I'd seen some British workers being asked to train foreign workers then made redundant. I'm not racist but this is unfair. Some disabled people decided the only way out was out & did something about it. I thought getting out of the E.U. was a way of saving money + there was so much going on in the world with I.S. etc. How the E.U. wanted money before talking made me think that's all they cared about but they have to ensure that everyone else doesn't jump on the band-wagon & that they take everyone's interests to heart. I was starting to see that maybe we wouldn't be as well off as me & some people where I live thought & would have admitted it while I was being spoken to in a civilised manner. When all the insults started & the bad-mouthing of my country especially by people who weren't British & had never been to Britain I rebelled. I don't respond well to insults. I always admit when I'm wrong sooner or later. I normally have to build up courage before eating humble pie, explaining & saying I'm wrong thought. I thought that our country was safer without the open door policy the E.U. operates & I saw all the rules we were forced to obey by the E.U. I thought the government were trying to influence the way we voted by the fact 6 remain leaflets were posted through my letterbox & only 1 remain then when they said you have to be stupid to vote leave I thought I have to be stupid to make my own mind up instead of do what I'm told so I rebelled. This way of thinking was shared by so many people who live nearby. I had many other reasons to vote leave but I've forgotten them all now after all the attitude some people had because they didn't like the way the vote went. Since places near us started using old weights & measures again I guess I took my mind off things & forgot about it by learning them. I was disgusted at the fact it took so long before anything was done not like general elections & the fact that it took so long for the publics decision to be acted on makes me feel that if we had the same vote again I wouldn't vote. In fact it has made me question whether I'll ever vote again.
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The leaflet thingy is very convincing.... we should add marathonarthur's biggest reason to vote leave, namely that the pipe vents are installed badly in mainland buildings and Britain shouldn't be part of a shitpile where they build buildings like that
lol i tot loved this part from this article:
"Consider the sheer Britishness of Theresa May’s latest predicament. Earlier this year, the prime minister offered US president Donald Trump a state visit to London. His subsequent behaviour, including last week’s retweet of far-right videos, guaranteed a hostile public reception. So, rather than cancel the offer, Mrs May avoids the subject. Like every good Briton who invites you to visit them one day, she does not mean it and hopes both parties will forget. Nancy Mitford, the chronicler of society etiquette, could not have designed a more decorous solution.":lulz2:
https://www.ft.com/content/1a1b9fba-d82c-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482
lol i tot loved this part from this article:
"Consider the sheer Britishness of Theresa May’s latest predicament. Earlier this year, the prime minister offered US president Donald Trump a state visit to London. His subsequent behaviour, including last week’s retweet of far-right videos, guaranteed a hostile public reception. So, rather than cancel the offer, Mrs May avoids the subject. Like every good Briton who invites you to visit them one day, she does not mean it and hopes both parties will forget. Nancy Mitford, the chronicler of society etiquette, could not have designed a more decorous solution."
:lulz2:https://www.ft.com/content/1a1b9fba-d82c-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482
What a ridiculous idea! Ha! Ha! Bloody ha!The leaflet thingy is very convincing.... we should add marathonarthur's biggest reason to vote leave, namely that the pipe vents are installed badly in mainland buildings and Britain shouldn't be part of a shitpile where they build buildings like that
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