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Public says it prefers Tories, but demands Corbyn’s Labour policies – poll
He might trail in the polls when it comes to his chances of becoming Britain’s next prime minister, but it appears Jeremy Corbyn’s policies are far more popular than the Tories’ – as long as no one knows they come from the Labour Party.
A new poll by YouGov, commissioned by the Media Reform Coalition (MRC), has revealed that 45 percent of Britons want the government to spend more on public services and raise taxes for the rich. Only 13 percent support the spending cuts promoted by the Conservatives over the last six years.
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But while Corbyn has championed anti-austerity policies for years now, polls suggest people still regard the Tories as having the best strategy on fiscal and economic issues. Thirty-six percent said they did not know whose ideas were best, while 30 percent trusted the Tories the most, against 16 percent for Labour.
On all fronts, people seemed to prefer the policies of Jeremy Corbyn, but similar political views did not translate into support for the Labour leader.
“There is a worrying disconnect between the economic policies that many voters support and the parties they associate with those policies,†said MRC chair and author Justin Schlosberg. “We feel that much of the media have been more preoccupied with dismissing Jeremy Corbyn as ‘unelectable’ than with seriously reporting on the policies he represents.
“Since the economy is often the issue that wins or loses general elections, it is imperative that journalists now give due attention and scrutiny to the economic alternatives put forward by the official opposition, as well as other anti-austerity parties. This is not about a failure of communication on the part of Labour so much as a failure of nerve on the part of a great swathe of the news media. Without a change in approach, our democracy is in deep crisis.â€
Other areas where the public unknowingly sang from Corbyn’s song-sheet included the NHS and the nationalization of the railways. But when asked which side of the Commons would be better at “overseeing the balance between public and private ownership,†it was the Tories that won (24 percent to Labour’s 16 percent).
Media commentator Roy Greenslade told the Huffington Post that most of the mainstream media had been “antagonistic, and sometimes openly hostile†to Corbyn and his wing of the party.
“Overall I would say that Labour’s policies – if they exist, and I’m being cynical already – have not been covered in any depth,†Greenslade said.
“Corybn represents something that the largely right-wing press believed was dead and buried, which is a socialist alternative to capitalism, that’s what really worries them.â€
He added: “If you go into a street and ask people whether they want to pay more tax, they say no, but if you ask them if they think there should be extra public spending, they say yes. You can’t have both, and these are contradictions are embedded in our culture and society, and don’t reflect wider media coverage, nor indeed do they reflect an understanding of what the parties stand for most of the time.â€
Public says it prefers Tories, but demands Corbyn’s Labour policies – poll
He might trail in the polls when it comes to his chances of becoming Britain’s next prime minister, but it appears Jeremy Corbyn’s policies are far more popular than the Tories’ – as long as no one knows they come from the Labour Party.
A new poll by YouGov, commissioned by the Media Reform Coalition (MRC), has revealed that 45 percent of Britons want the government to spend more on public services and raise taxes for the rich. Only 13 percent support the spending cuts promoted by the Conservatives over the last six years.
Read more
But while Corbyn has championed anti-austerity policies for years now, polls suggest people still regard the Tories as having the best strategy on fiscal and economic issues. Thirty-six percent said they did not know whose ideas were best, while 30 percent trusted the Tories the most, against 16 percent for Labour.
On all fronts, people seemed to prefer the policies of Jeremy Corbyn, but similar political views did not translate into support for the Labour leader.
“There is a worrying disconnect between the economic policies that many voters support and the parties they associate with those policies,†said MRC chair and author Justin Schlosberg. “We feel that much of the media have been more preoccupied with dismissing Jeremy Corbyn as ‘unelectable’ than with seriously reporting on the policies he represents.
“Since the economy is often the issue that wins or loses general elections, it is imperative that journalists now give due attention and scrutiny to the economic alternatives put forward by the official opposition, as well as other anti-austerity parties. This is not about a failure of communication on the part of Labour so much as a failure of nerve on the part of a great swathe of the news media. Without a change in approach, our democracy is in deep crisis.â€
Other areas where the public unknowingly sang from Corbyn’s song-sheet included the NHS and the nationalization of the railways. But when asked which side of the Commons would be better at “overseeing the balance between public and private ownership,†it was the Tories that won (24 percent to Labour’s 16 percent).
Media commentator Roy Greenslade told the Huffington Post that most of the mainstream media had been “antagonistic, and sometimes openly hostile†to Corbyn and his wing of the party.
“Overall I would say that Labour’s policies – if they exist, and I’m being cynical already – have not been covered in any depth,†Greenslade said.
“Corybn represents something that the largely right-wing press believed was dead and buried, which is a socialist alternative to capitalism, that’s what really worries them.â€
He added: “If you go into a street and ask people whether they want to pay more tax, they say no, but if you ask them if they think there should be extra public spending, they say yes. You can’t have both, and these are contradictions are embedded in our culture and society, and don’t reflect wider media coverage, nor indeed do they reflect an understanding of what the parties stand for most of the time.â€
RT has it's UK bank accounts closed by NatWest... part of the Royal Bank of Scotland.
https://www.rt.com/uk/363068-galloway-rt-nat-west/
https://www.rt.com/uk/363068-galloway-rt-nat-west/
Corbyn isn't very impressive IMO as a speaker in the house. May bats away his barbs pretty easily.
Interesting that around 100 Labour MPs abstained or missed the vote on Saudi Arabia... The division isn't going to be healed any time soon. I wonder if their will be a great purge via de-selection over the next couple of years. Hopefully, Luciana Berger will be one of them.
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This week's big story of course.... BREXIT. A High Court judge ruling that Parliament must vote on the issue...
Thoughts?
Considering the Parliament voted in favour of the referendum, I find this rather bizarre.
Thoughts?
Considering the Parliament voted in favour of the referendum, I find this rather bizarre.
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'Brexitshambles'? Don't Blame the Judges, Blame the Government
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The euroskeptic Daily Mail certainly didn't mince its words, denouncing the three judges who made the ruling as "Enemies of the People" on its Friday, November 4, front page.
Well, for what it's worth, I think the High Court judgement was flawed, bearing in mind the pledge made by the UK government on the referendum leaflet that they would implement what the people decided, and there must be a great chance the ruling will be overturned on appeal at the Supreme Court.
That said, the anger directed at the High Court judges while understandable, is rather misplaced. If we want to find the real guilty party in this #Brexitshambles, then we need to look no further than the Conservative government.
On June 23, the British people, by a majority of 52% to 48%, voted to "Leave the European Union" — to use the exact wording on the ballot paper.
"This is your decision," the government declared in the referendum leaflet which was sent to every household in the country.
"The government will implement what you decide."
What should have happened on June 24 — or at least at some point in the week which followed — is the invocation, by the British government, of Article 50, formally starting the UK's withdrawal from the EU. That is, after all, what Prime Minister David Cameron had promised us back in February.
"If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger Article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away," Cameron said.
The much-maligned Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn did in fact call for Article 50 to be triggered straight away after the referendum result was announced.
"The British people have made their decision. We must respect that result and Article 50 has to be invoked now so that we negotiate an exit from European Union," Corbyn said.
And we can't blame so-called "Eurocrats" for the failure to send off Article 50 either.
© REUTERS/ Francois Lenoir
Article 50 of the EU's Lisbon Treaty that deals with the mechanism for departure is pictured near an EU flag following Britain's referendum results to leave the European Union, in this photo illustration taken in Brussels, Belgium, June 24, 2016.
On June 24, no less a personage than Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission, called for Britain to trigger Article 50 "as soon as possible." Mark Rutte, the Prime Minister of The Netherlands, the country which then held the EU's rotating Presidency, was quoted in the Guardian as saying that any delay to Brexit would "unnecessarily prolong uncertainty."
Martin Schulz, the European Parliament President, tweeted:
But a "speedy and clear exit negotiation" is what we most certainly didn't get from the UK government.
It soon became clear that the Tories — and even Tories who had campaigned for Brexit — had never expected the British people to vote Leave. And when they voted Leave, the Tories — as commentator Scott Nelson correctly states — didn't have a clue what to do next.
The Tory response to the shock result was to come out with platitudes — like Theresa May's classic "Brexit means Brexit" and to keep delaying the triggering of Article 50. The promises made by Cameron were quietly forgotten.
We were told that instead of invoking Article 50 "straight away" — the process wouldn't begin at all in 2016.
Prominent Tory Brexit campaigners — like Boris Johnson — also seemed to be changing their tune.
This inaction only emboldened Remainers, the vast majority of whom had fully accepted the June 23 result.
It was inevitable, and indeed totally foreseeable, that given the government's procrastination, legal challenges to Brexit would be launched. Cynics might even argue that as new Prime Minister Theresa May herself was Remainer — and given her party's heavy dependence on funds from the generally pro-Remain City of London — delaying Brexit until such challenges could be brought, may even have been part of the strategy.
Although Brexit is likely to pass the House of Commons, should the appeal to the Supreme Court fail, the House of Lords could still throw a sizeable spanner in the works, potentially triggering a major constitutional crisis. Arguments over Brexit look likely to dominate British politics for months to come.
An atmosphere that was already poisonous enough, is likely to become even more so. It really didn't have to be like this.
It's worth remembering that the decision to give the public a vote on Europe was only made by David Cameron because he feared UKIP doing serious damage to the Tories' electoral prospects.
His referendum pledge helped him over the line in the 2015 general election, but the Tories failure to act swiftly in June, after the people had made their historic decision, has created enormous problems.
To see the UK government now posing as the protectors of the "people's will" against the judiciary is nauseating to say the least.
Hopefully, enough people will see through the charade, for the current #Brexitshambles wasn't cooked up by three judges in the High Court, but in Number 10, Downing Street.
Follow Neil Clark on Twitter @NeilClark66
The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.
'Brexitshambles'? Don't Blame the Judges, Blame the Government
Sputnik
The euroskeptic Daily Mail certainly didn't mince its words, denouncing the three judges who made the ruling as "Enemies of the People" on its Friday, November 4, front page.
Well, for what it's worth, I think the High Court judgement was flawed, bearing in mind the pledge made by the UK government on the referendum leaflet that they would implement what the people decided, and there must be a great chance the ruling will be overturned on appeal at the Supreme Court.
That said, the anger directed at the High Court judges while understandable, is rather misplaced. If we want to find the real guilty party in this #Brexitshambles, then we need to look no further than the Conservative government.
On June 23, the British people, by a majority of 52% to 48%, voted to "Leave the European Union" — to use the exact wording on the ballot paper.
"This is your decision," the government declared in the referendum leaflet which was sent to every household in the country.
"The government will implement what you decide."
What should have happened on June 24 — or at least at some point in the week which followed — is the invocation, by the British government, of Article 50, formally starting the UK's withdrawal from the EU. That is, after all, what Prime Minister David Cameron had promised us back in February.
"If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger Article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away," Cameron said.
The much-maligned Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn did in fact call for Article 50 to be triggered straight away after the referendum result was announced.
"The British people have made their decision. We must respect that result and Article 50 has to be invoked now so that we negotiate an exit from European Union," Corbyn said.
And we can't blame so-called "Eurocrats" for the failure to send off Article 50 either.
© REUTERS/ Francois Lenoir
Article 50 of the EU's Lisbon Treaty that deals with the mechanism for departure is pictured near an EU flag following Britain's referendum results to leave the European Union, in this photo illustration taken in Brussels, Belgium, June 24, 2016.
On June 24, no less a personage than Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission, called for Britain to trigger Article 50 "as soon as possible." Mark Rutte, the Prime Minister of The Netherlands, the country which then held the EU's rotating Presidency, was quoted in the Guardian as saying that any delay to Brexit would "unnecessarily prolong uncertainty."
Martin Schulz, the European Parliament President, tweeted:
But a "speedy and clear exit negotiation" is what we most certainly didn't get from the UK government.
It soon became clear that the Tories — and even Tories who had campaigned for Brexit — had never expected the British people to vote Leave. And when they voted Leave, the Tories — as commentator Scott Nelson correctly states — didn't have a clue what to do next.
The Tory response to the shock result was to come out with platitudes — like Theresa May's classic "Brexit means Brexit" and to keep delaying the triggering of Article 50. The promises made by Cameron were quietly forgotten.
We were told that instead of invoking Article 50 "straight away" — the process wouldn't begin at all in 2016.
Prominent Tory Brexit campaigners — like Boris Johnson — also seemed to be changing their tune.
This inaction only emboldened Remainers, the vast majority of whom had fully accepted the June 23 result.
It was inevitable, and indeed totally foreseeable, that given the government's procrastination, legal challenges to Brexit would be launched. Cynics might even argue that as new Prime Minister Theresa May herself was Remainer — and given her party's heavy dependence on funds from the generally pro-Remain City of London — delaying Brexit until such challenges could be brought, may even have been part of the strategy.
Although Brexit is likely to pass the House of Commons, should the appeal to the Supreme Court fail, the House of Lords could still throw a sizeable spanner in the works, potentially triggering a major constitutional crisis. Arguments over Brexit look likely to dominate British politics for months to come.
An atmosphere that was already poisonous enough, is likely to become even more so. It really didn't have to be like this.
It's worth remembering that the decision to give the public a vote on Europe was only made by David Cameron because he feared UKIP doing serious damage to the Tories' electoral prospects.
His referendum pledge helped him over the line in the 2015 general election, but the Tories failure to act swiftly in June, after the people had made their historic decision, has created enormous problems.
To see the UK government now posing as the protectors of the "people's will" against the judiciary is nauseating to say the least.
Hopefully, enough people will see through the charade, for the current #Brexitshambles wasn't cooked up by three judges in the High Court, but in Number 10, Downing Street.
Follow Neil Clark on Twitter @NeilClark66
The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.
for the REAL answer to your wondering ?
LOOK across the ocean to the potomac..THERE is your answer...
clue:
"'we can walk this thing back:."
JOHN KERRY in london after brexit vote...
the MASTER is hard at work to keep its vassals ''on point"
the ''point" being
will of the people? what will of the people..
UNCLE SAM must have his vassals AROUND - exactly as told to do ...NO BREXIT...a 'conduit into EU must be preserved".
dont' believe me? just watch --i'm ALWAYS right about these things.
BRITS need to realize ONE THING:
you have been voting for WASHINGTON all along. you just never really understood it -- for THAT is what is behind yur parliament. WASHINGTON.
THAT DIE WAS CAST long ago --at BRETTON-WOODS.
everything else afterwards was just domestic politics arguing about which side , or whose side in turn , was closer in obedience to washington...i'ts NOT that complicated.
undertstand THIS and know what you need to do -- and ONLY then will britain become INDEPENDENT.
you have been voting for WASHINGTON all along. you just never really understood it -- for THAT is what is behind yur parliament. WASHINGTON.
THAT DIE WAS CAST long ago --at BRETTON-WOODS.
everything else afterwards was just domestic politics arguing about which side , or whose side in turn , was closer in obedience to washington...i'ts NOT that complicated.
undertstand THIS and know what you need to do -- and ONLY then will britain become INDEPENDENT.
BRETTON WOODS after world war 2.
THE finalizing of the collapse of the british empire...
handed over to the ''descendant" USA and its dollar.
1970's Bretton woods collapses after US dollar ''gold backed" system hegemony gets exposed by USA - after the vietnam adventure of the ''new empire" -
brings USA from ''CREDITOR" nation to DEBTOR nation.
MUST THEN BE PRESERVED in hegemony -- but HOW?
why -- simply DETACH requirement of dollar backed by gold of course - according to bretton woods - which then collapses with nixon ''freeing" the USA dollar from ''required gold backing" (since the USA LIKELY already sold off to private bankers its supposed 8,ooo tonnes to pay for the , what else -- but vietnam war...etc..)
oopsss --
how to solve it? why go into NO END PRINTING of course and get SAUDI'S to be the new ''black gold" backer of US fake money...
but still in trouble --a sTHAT is fake anyay -- what next?
oh -- time to SWALLOW EUROPE financially and economically and politically for real.
HAS ANYBODY noticed that the EUROPEAN UNION -- schengen free zone -- and SUPRA -NATIONAL ''unity" appeared on the horizon at the EXACT period the USA petro dollar was ALREADY also in trouble for exposure as FAKE despite the ''gold free" money printing since 1970?
ENTER brexist and DISunion --
and you get the answers..............
the EMPIRE MUST BE PRESERVED AT ALL COSTS.
THE finalizing of the collapse of the british empire...
handed over to the ''descendant" USA and its dollar.
1970's Bretton woods collapses after US dollar ''gold backed" system hegemony gets exposed by USA - after the vietnam adventure of the ''new empire" -
brings USA from ''CREDITOR" nation to DEBTOR nation.
MUST THEN BE PRESERVED in hegemony -- but HOW?
why -- simply DETACH requirement of dollar backed by gold of course - according to bretton woods - which then collapses with nixon ''freeing" the USA dollar from ''required gold backing" (since the USA LIKELY already sold off to private bankers its supposed 8,ooo tonnes to pay for the , what else -- but vietnam war...etc..)
oopsss --
how to solve it? why go into NO END PRINTING of course and get SAUDI'S to be the new ''black gold" backer of US fake money...
but still in trouble --a sTHAT is fake anyay -- what next?
oh -- time to SWALLOW EUROPE financially and economically and politically for real.
HAS ANYBODY noticed that the EUROPEAN UNION -- schengen free zone -- and SUPRA -NATIONAL ''unity" appeared on the horizon at the EXACT period the USA petro dollar was ALREADY also in trouble for exposure as FAKE despite the ''gold free" money printing since 1970?
ENTER brexist and DISunion --
and you get the answers..............
the EMPIRE MUST BE PRESERVED AT ALL COSTS.
I SHOULD add an addendum to mister clarke's fine article.
''DONT BLAME THE COURTS, BLAME THE GOVERNMENT...
AND then blame washington".
THAT'S the real culprit --
Dear BRITISH people -- THERE -- ACROSS THE POTOMAC AND HUDSON RIVER WALL STREET ARE YOUR REAL ENEMIES.
the very spawn of britain itself.
YOU EITHER DISOWN IT -- or continue to descend into misery in servitude to the MONSTER england gave birth to.
HARD to swallow -- but THAT IS THE TRUTH at its very core.
HAPPY HALLOWEEN.
''DONT BLAME THE COURTS, BLAME THE GOVERNMENT...
AND then blame washington".
THAT'S the real culprit --
Dear BRITISH people -- THERE -- ACROSS THE POTOMAC AND HUDSON RIVER WALL STREET ARE YOUR REAL ENEMIES.
the very spawn of britain itself.
YOU EITHER DISOWN IT -- or continue to descend into misery in servitude to the MONSTER england gave birth to.
HARD to swallow -- but THAT IS THE TRUTH at its very core.
HAPPY HALLOWEEN.
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