UK Politics Thread

[Federberg]

^We actually know more than that! We know a lot of claims of the Leavers were... to use your language... utter crap. I have no problem saying that some of the claims made by the Remainers were garbage, I find it amusing that you won't admit the same about the Leavers. As for Cameron not invoking Article 50.. come on mate... it was clear that his position was untenable when the referendum was lost. He had no mandate to invoke it, even if it was permissible under British Law, which we're learning now it wouldn't have been. In any case you seem to be playing semantics here We're talking about the referendum itself and not litigating Brexit. I think you know that

 

[britbox]

^ Not semantics. It's there in plain English. In which case, he shouldn't have made the claim.

 

[britbox]

The 10% is bullshit also. Most major non-Eu countries don't pay 10% WTO tariffs... that's a worst case scenario.... he's making it sound like the norm. Trust me when I say this... the UK will not be paying 10% tariffs overall in any negotiated scenario.

 

[Federberg]

^ Not semantics. It's there in plain English. In which case, he shouldn't have made the claim.

Lol! That's not what I meant as semantics mate.

I think I already said that both sides made silly claims. What's at issue is your seeming unwillingness to agree to something that's so blatantly obvious

 

[britbox]

Lol! That's not what I meant as semantics mate.

I think I already said that both sides made silly claims. What's at issue is your seeming unwillingness to agree to something that's so blatantly obvious

You don't know the outcome of Brexit yet, so how can you even judge? Unless you're going to harp on about a bus that about 0.001% of the electorate saw, with a vague figure of NHS spending...

 

[britbox]

Anyway buddy, humour me a little... throw the Leaver's claims on the table.

 

[Federberg]

You don't know the outcome of Brexit yet, so how can you even judge? Unless you're going to harp on about a bus that about 0.001% of the electorate saw, with a vague figure of NHS spending...

so are you really suggesting that the claims made by Leavers are still valid because we have to wait and see? Really?

Re: NHS spending, it wasn't just on a bus mate. It was a big deal, you got that spectacularly wrong I'm afraid. But then you're on the other side of the world so I shouldn't be surprised

 

[britbox]

Well, Farage who you roped into that claim in an early post on the Brexit thread distanced himself from it immediately on national TV. I didn't vote, but would have voted Brexit on the basis of sovereignty first and foremost... as did many others. I'd made my mind up re: The EU 10 years before the referendum was announced.

 

[Federberg]

Anyway let's move on. I still find it amusing that you have such difficulties acknowledging some of the dissembling perpetrated by the Leavers. But it is what it is

 

[britbox]

 

[Federberg]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/22/brexit-vote-uk-household-wealth-credit-suisse

 

[Federberg]

And before you start thinking I'm a guardian reader @britbox I can't access the Times online and the Telegraph limits me to 5 articles per week so I can't browse through. Too precious! And there's no point me posting links from the FT (the only UK paper I subscribe to) as people would need password access

 

[britbox]

The bottom line underpinning the article is currency fluctuations and sure the pound has dropped. It won't recover properly until there is certainty about the situation. There won't be any certainty about the situation for a while. At least two years and more like five. I get it... and even as someone in the Brexit camp, I mentioned early on in the Brexit thread there would be Economic turbulence... a short term price to pay for a longer term benefit.

 

[Federberg]

by the way, I'm not posting these articles to perpetuate the debate. I'm just posting it as it's pertinent to this thread

 

[britbox]

Any Brits think the HS2 rail plans are an absolute waste of money?

 

[Federberg]

Any Brits think the HS2 rail plans are an absolute waste of money?

Absolutely!! Utter bollocks in my opinion. The superhighway they should have been building is high speed broadband connectivity a la Korea. That would have a measurable hit on UK productivity. This is just a white elephant really. And when you consider they're wasting money on a new runway down south, when adding runways in Manchester would make far more sense, all I have to say is...

 

[britbox]

Exactly! Improving productivity needs high speed broadband and 5G mobile... not shaving 20 minutes on a journey from Manchester to London. This is the biggest waste of money in modern memory... If they want to support a Northern powerhouse (to de-centralise from London) then they'd be far better investing in the transport infrastructure between the Northern cities - i.e. Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, Hull and Newcastle. Even that plan would be a distant second to a South Korean-like web.

 

[britbox]

 

[britbox]

When is the penny going to drop with this buffoon... Tony Blair - You're a busted flush!!

Tony Blair 'to help the UK's politically homeless'

Tony Blair has promised to help "millions of effectively politically homeless people", calling Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn a man of "the far left".

The former prime minister said the state of UK politics "dismayed him".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38092635

 

[britbox]