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... and to be honest, Thatcher just ate him for lunch at each and every turn.

I dont remember many who could stand up to her back then. But if you can get a cheap copy of Howe's memoirs its worth a read. Even her own cabinet suffered.

Corbyn on TV right now, looking like a victory despite the vote rigging, estimates now of 400,000 denied a vote! But the real battlke will start after tomorrow.
 
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Talking of Kinnock... what are your views on him?


My abiding image of him was his falling over on the beach. I still shudder with embarassment on his behalf. You just knew he would have an 'L' shaped scar after that!
 
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Considering what a mess he made of elections he needs to shut up now!

I hate socialists accepting peerages, but it happens so often. We had a wonderful NE MP, Manny Shinwell. I felt personally betrayed when he accepted a peerage. And I loather the honours list still. My M in law was one of the civil servants who did the prep on the honours. She had to ensure those offered honours would accept to save embarrassment of publiuc refusals. Behing the scenes many turned down honours. She left the job in the late 70s, not sure how it is now but the system is so discredited.

Prescott's another one.... and I do have a bit of a soft spot for blundering pants-down John... but even so... self-serving.
 

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My abiding image of him was his falling over on the beach. I still shudder with embarassment on his behalf. You just knew he would have an 'L' shaped scar after that!

That photobgraph was on twitter the other day! Not his finest hour. But I still love that wonderful sppech though these days I doubt he wrote it himself!

Thinking about the post war period another big factor was massive shortage of coal and heating fuelk and the 1947 winter. I don't actiually remeber that but remember the family talking about how bad it was.
 

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Prescott's another one.... and I do have a bit of a soft spot for blundering pants-down John... but even so... self-serving.

You scratch my back, I'll drive your jag John!!

Some times he's great but sometimes such an idiot.

I'm off for lunch, very late having spent an hour today trying to retrieve dog ball and dog from a pond of primaeval evil smelling sludge!!!
 
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Corbyn 61.8% of the vote.
Final figures show over 350,000 were denied a vote! Most of the Corbyn supporters.
Now we wait to see outcome of conference motions
 

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Diane James quits as UKIP boss after 18 days.



I think it was Farage's kiss that finished her off, she looked like Sigourney Weaver faced with the Alien. Very odd business all round.

I have found much of Tory conference horrific, so xenophobic. And as for Leadsom "let them pick fruit,"sounds awfully like "left them eat cake" How on earth do people like her ever get into public office.
 

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BRTIBOX, MARY, FEDERBERG --

you should PROTEST this.

while it is understandbable, imo,. that CHINA can get its profits in agreements with britain in building nuclear power plants -- since it is china that has the needed money britain does not have -- and the engineering capacity -- that either britain has not or has lost -- simply put - china IS the nuclear power able to bring this --

it still means jobs for the construction industry in britain - even if it surely would include chinese engineers as well.

the point being -- it is a more or less 'even deal' - each country gets what it wants.

HOWEVER -- INSERTED in the deal -- that probably has nothing to dol with CHINA'S part --

is FRANCE STEEL INDUSTRY getting the lion's share of providing STEEL for the british nuclear power plant -- and AT A COST that is NOT less THAN BRITISH INDUSTRY IN STEEL WOULD price -- meaning it doesn't really even have the ''excuse' of 'cheaper steel alloy" such as CHINA for example can offer.

BUT SIMPLY PURELY FRENCH STEEL INDUSTRY getting its share of the construction market at the expense of the BRITISH steel industry and workers.

please remember -- it is NOT france that can provide both the engineering as it was out-gamed by china on that -

but most importantly -- it is NOT france that can offer MONEY INVESTMENT in building this power plants for britain. and therefore has NOTHING to offer

but supposedly ''better quality french steel"?.

what the heck? that's UNFAIR to the ordinary britsi SAY..AND I 'M NOT EVEN BRITISH!

this is literally FOOD ON THE TABLE of british families being taken by FRENCH WHO would NOT be able to enter your steel market had it NOT been enabled by the MONEY and engineering of the CHINESE -- which allowed the construction to start with as BRITAIN would need in sustainable energy.

the VERY LEAST it should have brought to britain besides nuclear power and the chea electricity it can bring to households is that british STEEL INDUSTRY and its workers SHOULDN'T be thrown out of jobs in FAVOR of the french . !

that's not fair to the british, .

YOU HAVE RAISE HELL ABOUT THIS. FOLKS.

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‘British steelworkers betrayed’ as French firm wins contract to build nuclear submarines
Britain’s next generation of nuclear submarines will be built using French steel in a move that has outraged union chiefs, who branded the decision a “betrayal” of the UK’s struggling steel industry.

The steel is likely to be sourced from the French firm Industeel. Defence Secretary Michael Fallon is expected to give the £41 billion ($52 billion) Successor program the green light on Thursday.

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The UK steel industry looks increasingly precarious in the face of cheaper Chinese alloy and favorable tax rates for European rivals.

“The Government has said time and time again that big infrastructure projects should make the most of British steel, yet here we have the Defence Secretary boasting about cutting steel that was made abroad,” Roy Rickhuss, General Secretary of steelworkers’ union Community, told the Telegraph.

“It’s a slap in the face to hard pressed British steelworkers.”

He said the Successor program should be “a fantastic project that will support British manufacturing” and urged the government to use UK steel at every opportunity.

Deals have not yet been finalized and BAE Systems, the arms firm which runs the Barrow-In-Furness facility where the vessels would be built, has not commented.

However, a source close to the firm told the Telegraph: “On the pressure hull steel, we expect to buy from Industeel in France who provide the quality we need.”

Successor is the replacement submarine to the Vanguard Class. It was rubberstamped in July when parliament voted to renew the controversial Trident nuclear weapons system.

The vote, which ratified plans underlined in the 2015 Strategic Defence and Security Review, authorizes the construction of four submarines to replace the aging fleet at an estimated cost of £41 billion.
 

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although i was speaking about the nuclear power PLANTS - and the article is about your nuclear SUBS -- see how it is? that just because you are both NATO COUNTRIES..

france gets YOUR steel industry by the balls?
at the expense of your fellow brits workers in the steel industry? what the hell is that all ab out , anyway?
INJUSTICE IS INJUSTICE -- WHEREVER it is.

and ,imo, this IS INJUSTICE against the british workers and industry. !!


tha't swrong.
 
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although i was speaking about the nuclear power PLANTS - and the article is about your nuclear SUBS -- see how it is? that just because you are both NATO COUNTRIES..

france gets YOUR steel industry by the balls?
at the expense of your fellow brits workers in the steel industry? what the hell is that all ab out , anyway?
INJUSTICE IS INJUSTICE -- WHEREVER it is.

and ,imo, this IS INJUSTICE against the british workers and industry. !!


tha't swrong.

Having worked in the defence industry... a lot of the consortiums winning defence contracts were built via political horse trading and not necessarily the ones putting forward the best bid, financially or technically.
 
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Having worked in the defence industry... a lot of the consortiums winning defence contracts were built via political horse trading and not necessarily the ones putting forward the best bid, financially or technically.

setting aside all these war business nonsense --

but which obviously is part of human 'character" -- whether we like it or not ...

to me -- it's also fundamentally about leaderships selling out their OWN people.

it doens't matter whether it's in this business or in agriculture or shoe making, or clothes or whatever..

the ORDINARY PEOPLE who have to earn a living are the ones who suffer because of the self-interest of a private few ..and it can happen within a communit itself --right up to national levels...

but as far as appearance goes -- WHAT is FRANCE offering TO the british people in return for getting ''priority" in ITS steel over that of britain's own steel?

are the french going to bring ''expertise" to the british ordinary workers whose jobs will be enhanced , skills improved, wages be better? no it means their company gets SHUT DOWN ..will/ france PAY TAXES to britain and will THOSE workers of brit=ain get a penny from THAT? OR will the taxes , if at all, find its way to helping the british ''displaced" with NEW jobs ? and will the jobs actually help them create a new industry or improve the condition of their lives or community as the ''replacement?"

what IS the british government doing about THAT -- if it creates a HOLE for the ordinary brit by giving such arrangements to the french? or for that matter any foregienr - chinese or german or polish?

see -- if you study what CHINA does :

REMOVING PEOPLE from a village to build a huge project - that will b e part of the
Gargantuan Silk Project -- - the ''party" government comes in , enforces it, BUT offers the villagers
1)_ proper compensation for their property
2) new jobs skills training and business funding and relocation support
3) new schools in the new area or a NEW village with its own new industries created entirely for that purpose of ensuring the HOLE created is filled up somewhere ELSE.

OR --

SOME form of balance is established or brought in . because of ROBOTICS throwing out workers -- industries are encouraged or created with the proper skills to ensure people are not left out in the cold...

but in the case of this between just one example - the steel industry -- what is the british leadership doing FOR the ordinary british worker and his or her family? and also the LOCAL businesses that are clolsed down because FRANCE ''needs to make money? "

BECAUSE france has to recoup the 3 billion dollars penalty it got for FAILING to deliver the 2 mistral helicopter carrier ships TO russia , WHICH russia paid for in full and advance ....as a result of AMERICA'/S dictattes to sanction russia?

see how things are so connected?

and WHO SUFFERS?

THE ORDINARY BRITON who now must worry how to put food on the table!!

i really hate that kind of thing.
 
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