Moxie629 said:
He did once have ab (upper body) issues at USO though. But that hasn't recurred, unless this latest back issue could be related to that. It's not that far fetched, actually, as I know that one source of back problems can be an imbalance of muscle stregth between abs and lower back. Maybe overtraining the abs?
Anyway, he can't afford to add chronic back problems like Fed has had, to the list of things in his body that have given out on him, sometimes at the worst times...
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maybe 'uncle toni' is an out of control ventriloquists dummy..and rafa cannot stop him taking over..
a bit like in the ealing film..Dead of night (1945), and Magic (1978). :idea:
a bit like in the ealing film..Dead of night (1945), and Magic (1978). :idea:
Whatever the reason, Uncle Toni's comments were classless. There is no need to tell everyone that the reason why Stan won is because his nephew "allowed" to him to win.
Also there must be a reason why Nadal was booed during his MTO. I don't remember ever seeing Roger get booed when taking a MTO.... Oh wait has Roger ever taken a MTO?
Also there must be a reason why Nadal was booed during his MTO. I don't remember ever seeing Roger get booed when taking a MTO.... Oh wait has Roger ever taken a MTO?
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Stan, in fairness, if you can't grasp simple things, why do you post?
He "allowed" him his moment. Had Rafa retired injured, Stan wouldn't have had the statisfaction of winning match point. Because Rafa played on, he "allowed" that to happen.
I remember a few years back Henin gave up in the 2006 Australian Open final injured, although she might have played on. She hadn't a chance to win, so she decided against it, thereby depriving her opponent of that winning moment.
You get it now, do you? Because it's very simple and I'd hate to deprive you of even a basic education...
He "allowed" him his moment. Had Rafa retired injured, Stan wouldn't have had the statisfaction of winning match point. Because Rafa played on, he "allowed" that to happen.
I remember a few years back Henin gave up in the 2006 Australian Open final injured, although she might have played on. She hadn't a chance to win, so she decided against it, thereby depriving her opponent of that winning moment.
You get it now, do you? Because it's very simple and I'd hate to deprive you of even a basic education...
The classy thing to do would be to allow Stan to have his moment and NOT tell everyone about it after the fact.
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Our biggest problem here is that we argue with obvious trolls/idiots. The fact that this thread went 4 pages is the fault of everyone who gave it enough face value.
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Fortunately, I'm classy enough not to stoop down to the level of hurling personal insults to other posters who do not share my point of view.
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StantheMan said:
Federer took an injury timeout in the fifth set of the Australian Open 2005 semi final against Marat Safin after he fell behind in the set. He needed a back massage. He lost the match. One of the best matches I've ever watched. Amazing tennis from both guys.
Fifth set of the Masters Cup 2005 final against David Nalbandian after he fell behind in the fifth set. He needed a leg massage. He lost the match.
He took a timeout in the second set, down a set and a break, in the second round of Indian Wells in 2007 against Guillermo Canas to have his foot blisters retaped. He lost the match. He claimed his feet were healed at the next event in Miami. He lost again in a third-set breaker in the fourth round to the same guy: Guillermo Canas.
He took an injury timeout down a break in the third set of a round robin match at the 2008 Masters Cup against Andy Murray. He needed a back massage. He lost the match.
Wimbledon 2012 against Xavier Malisse. 4th round. He was leaving balls fly past him and was misfiring a lot of balls and his back was visibly stiff on a cold day that he said made it worse. He managed to win this one. He's only given 1 walkover in his whole career (to James Blake) and withdrew from 1 tournament. He's never retired from a match his entire career. Pretty damn impressive.
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The difference is both A, he actually appeared visibly injured in those which I had the decency to post instead of ignore and B, he lost all but one of those. Using an unfair advantage against Haase and Petzschner helped Nadal not only win those two tricky matches he was losing, but cruise all the way to holding the 2010 Wimbledon trophy. That's quite a difference.
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Kieran said:Front242 said:
What can I say? He "appeared visibly injured" - to who, you?
And it isn't my fault if Roger pulls a few dozen fast ones on court and it doesn't work, now is it?
To anyone with a pair of eyes. Try telling me there was any difference between Rafa's movement before and after any of those MTOs against Haase and Petzschner. Petz was quoted as saying he wished he could run that well if he was injured. I posted a video on a different thread last week about matches in which Federer blew huge leads and one was the Monte Carlo Masters 2008 final (where Fed led 5-2 first set and 4-0 2nd set) and I'd forgotten that when Fed led 5-2 first set Rafa took a MTO. Guess what, he storms back running and moving no differently than before and wins the set 7-5. Classy.
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Kieran said:Front242 said:
What can I say? He "appeared visibly injured" - to who, you?
And it isn't my fault if Roger pulls a few dozen fast ones on court and it doesn't work, now is it?
Watch any of those matches posted and tell me which ones he wasn't struggling physically. The only one I can't remember is the first Canas match but I'd take his word for it as I remember all the others.
I can't remember if he took one in the Wimbledon Bennetau match, but that was another where he was visibly struggling physically.
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britbox said:Kieran said:Front242 said:
What can I say? He "appeared visibly injured" - to who, you?
And it isn't my fault if Roger pulls a few dozen fast ones on court and it doesn't work, now is it?
Watch any of those matches posted and tell me which ones he wasn't struggling physically. The only one I can't remember is the first Canas match but I'd take his word for it as I remember all the others.
I can't remember if he took one in the Wimbledon Bennetau match, but that was another where he was visibly struggling physically.
Oh, I didn't say he wasn't struggling badly. They all look like they're struggling badly when they're up to no good with the MTO's. Didn't think old Roger was like that, though. Thanks to Front for bringing it to our attention...
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britbox said:Kieran said:Front242 said:
What can I say? He "appeared visibly injured" - to who, you?
And it isn't my fault if Roger pulls a few dozen fast ones on court and it doesn't work, now is it?
Watch any of those matches posted and tell me which ones he wasn't struggling physically. The only one I can't remember is the first Canas match but I'd take his word for it as I remember all the others.
I can't remember if he took one in the Wimbledon Bennetau match, but that was another where he was visibly struggling physically.
He didn't take one in that, no, but he was likely still affected from the round prior against Malisse. One day's rest isn't much before another very tough match.
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Kieran said:britbox said:Kieran said:Front242 said:
What can I say? He "appeared visibly injured" - to who, you?
And it isn't my fault if Roger pulls a few dozen fast ones on court and it doesn't work, now is it?
Watch any of those matches posted and tell me which ones he wasn't struggling physically. The only one I can't remember is the first Canas match but I'd take his word for it as I remember all the others.
I can't remember if he took one in the Wimbledon Bennetau match, but that was another where he was visibly struggling physically.
Oh, I didn't say he wasn't struggling badly. They all look like they're struggling badly when they're up to no good with the MTO's. Didn't think old Roger was like that, though. Thanks to Front for bringing it to our attention...
Er, Rafa wasn't struggling in the Monte Carlo 2008 final, Hamburg 2008 final or Wimbledon 2010 against Haase and Petzschner that's for sure. He was simply being beaten and using any means to get back on level terms and eventually win. Watch those matches and seriously try and unbiasedly say there was anything wrong with his movement. There clearly wasn't.