Time to crown Novak the GOAT?

[Nadalfan2013]

I don't hate Djokovic as I'm sure he has good qualities, however I hate racket breaking, screaming like a maniac at your team, abusing tennis balls in anger, all sorts of violent reactions, arrogant interactions with the crowd, etc.

Since Djokovic has done all of those countless of times, plus stupid stuff like the Adria tour after parties in the middle of a pandemic, the Energy Pyramid & magical water type of thinking, the reckless behaviour around Australia (seeing people with Covid, insisting on not leaving the country, etc.), it's hard to like him and root for him.

He often behaves like a douche on the court, do you remember the Olympics how he tossed a racket in the stands that could have hit someone, destroyed the Olympics sign at the net, etc. Or what about how he behaved like some primate towards the end of the Berrettini match at RG a few years back... I mean it's endless.

And yet people pretend that he's an innocent victim and that there's a conspiracy against him... NO, he just behaves often in an immature and unlikeable way and that's why he's not as popular as some other big champions.

But I have to admit that seeing how his dad is even more unlikeable then it's not surprising that Djokovic has such behaviour, and compared to his dad he's not so bad. But don't be surprised if crowds don't root for him like for Fedal, nothing surprising at all.

 

[El Dude]

I don't hate Djokovic as I'm sure he has good qualities, however I hate racket breaking, screaming like a maniac at your team, abusing tennis balls in anger, all sorts of violent reactions, arrogant interactions with the crowd, etc.

Since Djokovic has done all of those countless of times, plus stupid stuff like the Adria tour after parties in the middle of a pandemic, the Energy Pyramid & magical water type of thinking, the reckless behaviour around Australia (seeing people with Covid, insisting on not leaving the country, etc.), it's hard to like him and root for him.

He often behaves like a douche on the court, do you remember the Olympics how he tossed a racket in the stands that could have hit someone, destroyed the Olympics sign at the net, etc. Or what about how he behaved like some primate towards the end of the Berrettini match at RG a few years back... I mean it's endless.

And yet people pretend that he's an innocent victim and that there's a conspiracy against him... NO, he just behaves often in an immature and unlikeable way and that's why he's not as popular as some other big champions.

But I have to admit that seeing how his dad is even more unlikeable then it's not surprising that Djokovic has such behaviour, and compared to his dad he's not so bad. But don't be surprised if crowds don't root for him like for Fedal, nothing surprising at all.

Now post something that isn't raving about Rafa or bagging on Novak.

I'll hang up and wait for your response.

 

[tented]

But bear this in mind - Novak is the only one of the Big 3 who cares deeply about being liked. He’s not so unaffected by his haters, even when they’re computer generated. The other two aren’t insecure in that regard…

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Now post something that isn't raving about Rafa or bagging on Novak.

I'll hang up and wait for your response.

Novak is the greatest hardcourt player of all-time, that's undeniable. He also arguably has the best stats out of the Big 3 at this point but that also has been helped by Nadal's countless injuries and of course only 1 slam being on clay while 2 slam being on hardcourt. But it doesn't mean that Djokovic doesn't have a case for GOAT just like Nadal or Federer. They are too close in terms of accomplishments and each made a different impact. The fact that I don't like him has nothing to do with me not respecting his accomplishments or greatness. It's in your imagination.

 

[BratSrbin]

Novak is the greatest hardcourt player of all-time, that's undeniable. He also arguably has the best stats out of the Big 3 at this point but that also has been helped by Nadal's countless injuries and of course only 1 slam being on clay while 2 slam being on hardcourt. But it doesn't mean that Djokovic doesn't have a case for GOAT just like Nadal or Federer. They are too close in terms of accomplishments and each made a different impact. The fact that I don't like him has nothing to do with me not respecting his accomplishments or greatness. It's in your imagination.

If No1e publicly scratch his ass, would you love him?

 

[El Dude]

Novak is the greatest hardcourt player of all-time, that's undeniable. He also arguably has the best stats out of the Big 3 at this point but that also has been helped by Nadal's countless injuries and of course only 1 slam being on clay while 2 slam being on hardcourt. But it doesn't mean that Djokovic doesn't have a case for GOAT just like Nadal or Federer. They are too close in terms of accomplishments and each made a different impact. The fact that I don't like him has nothing to do with me not respecting his accomplishments or greatness. It's in your imagination.

That's maybe the most even-handed post I've seen you write, at least about Novak. So kudos for that. I think you're still taking an overly Rafa-friendly framing here, but I didn't expect otherwise.

For instance, the whole "1 slam on clay, 2 on hard" is not a valid argument...it is sort of like saying, "Peyton Manning would be the greatest quarterback of all time if there were was no postseason, on regular season." Or, "Roger would be the clear GOAT if he was a bit stronger in key moments." Or the doozy of them all: "Borg would be the clear GOAT if he hadn't retired at 25."

We can pull out all sorts of "what if" stories, but the tour is the tour. It isn't like it switched to mostly hards in 2004. I think Rafa fans also over-emphasize the injuries, as a kind of trump card they like to pull out. We simply don't know how a healthier Rafa would have performed - you can't just add up hypothetical wins for missed tournaments. Sure, he could have won 27 Slams, or he could have lost some of his intensity and won 17. A tennis career is holistic, and can't be broken apart with hypotheticals; you change one thing, and you don't know how it effects everything else.

I do agree that each shines in a unique way and is in the upper echelon of players --- all "GOAT caliber." But you're under-emphasizing the edge Novak has statistically: it is in almost every meaningful way (and please don't mention the Olympics). He doesn't just "have a case for GOAT," he has the best case - and by an increasing margin.

 

[Moxie]

If No1e publicly scratch his ass, would you love him?

So interesting to have your TENNIS insights around on this TENNIS forum. Did the Admins send you the test yet? Don't worry...I'm sure you'll ace it, given your obvious vast knowledge of tennis. (Hint: the skinny part of the racquet goes in the hand.)

 

[BratSrbin]

(Hint: the skinny part of the racquet goes in the hand.)

Do you follow the hint?

 

[BratSrbin]

McEnroe reveals the ability that made Djokovic the GOAT​

“Novak has that ability, which is part of the reason why he's the greatest ever.


Understanding when he needs to be aggressive, when he needs to be neutral, when to be defensive, when to go to the slice, when to come in, when to take chances on the second serve. There's no better adjuster to what's going on, ever!

Part of it is because he's so malleable with his strokes. I've talked to sports people who love watching Roger [Federer], we all did. [Rafael] Nadal’s got this intensity. How can Djokovic be so good? Because they can't see it.

 

[MikeOne]

The ‘greatest’ of all time cannot be scientifically proven but novak djokovic is by all acconts, the most acconplished and it’s not even close anymore.

in order of importance:

1. most grand slams
2. Record weeks at #1
3. Won 4 slams in a row
4. Won each slam at least 3 times
5. Most masters titles including only player to win all of them and i think he’s done it twice
6. Most wins vs top 10
7. Most wins over top 5
8. Highest elo rating ever achieved which is a measure of peak dominance
9. Most ranking points in a season
10. Winning record against federer and nadal
11. Player with most wins over federer at wimbledon, including 3-0 against him in finals
12. Player with most of wins over rafa at roland garros, arguably the most difficult task in tennis
13. Tied for most eoy cup wins
14. most slam finals

List of career achievements by Novak Djokovic - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

too many records to list…

In almost all categories - dominance at peak, longevity, mental strength, athleticsm, shot making.. he is second to none

The haters have shifted their arguments to i increasingly comical heights - ‘well, it’s about popularity’ or ‘well margaret court has 24 slams’ or ‘well, no competition (despite he running into fedal early on and now fending off so called future greats) on and on

to me i’ll tell why he is goat. Ontop of the absurd stats and records he has, it’s his perseverance and work ethic. This man had to deal with Fedal. Fedal destroyed other careers but made djokovic stronger. All the haters, elite media and governments, all have been against him. He has been banned from tournaments, cast as a villain? His response? Get stronger and keep winning. To me, nothing can be more inspirational.

have you guys seen x-men- first class? Kevin bacon’s character? Sebastian shaw. The mutant who absorbs energy, even bombs and bullets… yeah, that’s novak djokovic, a mutant. All the attacks, the boos, the blows by Fedal on tennis courts, has just made him stronger!

 

[Moxie]

The ‘greatest’ of all time cannot be scientifically proven but novak djokovic is by all acconts, the most acconplished and it’s not even close anymore.

in order of importance:

1. most grand slams
2. Record weeks at #1
3. Won 4 slams in a row
4. Won each slam at least 3 times
5. Most masters titles including only player to win all of them and i think he’s done it twice
6. Most wins vs top 10
7. Most wins over top 5
8. Highest elo rating ever achieved which is a measure of peak dominance
9. Most ranking points in a season
10. Winning record against federer and nadal
11. Player with most wins over federer at wimbledon, including 3-0 against him in finals
12. Player with most of wins over rafa at roland garros, arguably the most difficult task in tennis
13. Tied for most eoy cup wins
14. most slam finals

List of career achievements by Novak Djokovic - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

too many records to list…

In almost all categories - dominance at peak, longevity, mental strength, athleticsm, shot making.. he is second to none

The haters have shifted their arguments to i increasingly comical heights - ‘well, it’s about popularity’ or ‘well margaret court has 24 slams’ or ‘well, no competition (despite he running into fedal early on and now fending off so called future greats) on and on

to me i’ll tell why he is goat. Ontop of the absurd stats and records he has, it’s his perseverance and work ethic. This man had to deal with Fedal. Fedal destroyed other careers but made djokovic stronger. All the haters, elite media and governments, all have been against him. He has been banned from tournaments, cast as a villain? His response? Get stronger and keep winning. To me, nothing can be more inspirational.

have you guys seen x-men- first class? Kevin bacon’s character? Sebastian shaw. The mutant who absorbs energy, even bombs and bullets… yeah, that’s novak djokovic, a mutant. All the attacks, the boos, the blows by Fedal on tennis courts, has just made him stronger!

Novak's stats are impressive, no denying. But a few quibbles with the bolded above.

* Novak's record over Rafa is as tight as it gets, and one has to be on top, given they've played an even number of matches. We've been debating that one on the Fedalovic Wars thread. It's a bit tight to brag about, though, wouldn't you say?

* Mental strength? I wouldn't say he's 2nd to none there. He's actually rather brittle. His anger management issues got him DQ'd at the USO. He's been prone to mid-match "walkabouts" for a long time, and that from his fans. Then there was the 2-year "walkabout," which most believe was more mental than physical. Mentally strongest? Nadal.

* Margaret Court? Again, you're quoting things you find elsewhere on the internet. I have not seen that here.

* Governments have not been against Novak. This is a blatant mischaracterization. He took decisions that about getting vaccinated that made him ineligible for a visa into several countries. That was his choice. He cops to that, though it didn't keep him from asking for exemptions. That they were denied is not about an entire government taking against him. It's about them not making an exception for him, which is different, and why should he get one? Let's not pretend that entire governments really care about tennis. (Or perhaps except for the Serbian one.) Was he cast as the villain by governments? Judges in Australia ruled that he was a threat to public order, due to his anti-vaccination status. Is that villainy, or simply a judicial ruling?

As to him being cast as a villain, in general? You could visit the Top Villains thread here to see what forum participants have to say about that.

 

[MikeOne]

Novak's stats are impressive, no denying. But a few quibbles with the bolded above.

* Novak's record over Rafa is as tight as it gets, and one has to be on top, given they've played an even number of matches. We've been debating that one on the Fedalovic Wars thread. It's a bit tight to brag about, though, wouldn't you say?

* Mental strength? I wouldn't say he's 2nd to none there. He's actually rather brittle. His anger management issues got him DQ'd at the USO. He's been prone to mid-match "walkabouts" for a long time, and that from his fans. Then there was the 2-year "walkabout," which most believe was more mental than physical. Mentally strongest? Nadal.

* Margaret Court? Again, you're quoting things you find elsewhere on the internet. I have not seen that here.

* Governments have not been against Novak. This is a blatant mischaracterization. He took decisions that about getting vaccinated that made him ineligible for a visa into several countries. That was his choice. He cops to that, though it didn't keep him from asking for exemptions. That they were denied is not about an entire government taking against him. It's about them not making an exception for him, which is different, and why should he get one? Let's not pretend that entire governments really care about tennis. (Or perhaps except for the Serbian one.) Was he cast as the villain by governments? Judges in Australia ruled that he was a threat to public order, due to his anti-vaccination status. Is that villainy, or simply a judicial ruling?

As to him being cast as a villain, in general? You could visit the Top Villains thread here to see what forum participants have to say about that.

He was a threat to public safety! Rofl. Only a true novak hater would believe such gibberish. In that same year he was banned at AO, he played at roland garros and wimbledon. What ‘danger’ did he present in paris or wimbledon? None. Anyone with above retarded intelligence knows the australian gov used him as a politicsl pawn, to score points. Facts show most people spreading covid were vaccinated, so he was as much a danger as all vaccinated people. The justice system was going to side with government no matter what or would’ve been embarrassing for australia.

mental strength. Many players and tennis experts who are much more knowledgeable than you say he is mentally strongest ever. Just resd up on the many former greats and current players saying it. The fact that he had periods of fragility mean nothing, you have to look at the entire career. His mental strength is legendary. Who else could beat nadal in a 6 hour ao final and beat him twice at FO? Beat federer 3 times in nail biting finals at wimbledon? The 2 set down comeback against tsiti at RG, the famous comeback against fed at USO… the man’s mental strengh has been superhuman. This FO, the commentators were saying he went like 6-0 in tiebteakers and made 0 UFEss - lockdown when it most matters. Who else could beat nadal in like 7 straight finals in 2011? If rafa is mentally stronger, then does it mean djokovic is that much better as a tennis player that even being mentally weaker has won 23 slams and has winning record against rafa? Think about that. You point to periods here and there but look at the many more times he exhibited almost otherworldly mental qualities. Heck, i recall even broken poster here (big nadal fan) saying how mentally weak rafa was in 2011 as djokovic ‘was in his head’ which of course i don’t agree with. Point is, everyone can point to periods here and there of dips as they are humans after all. When you look at longevity, his ability to pull through in tight situations so many times and his consistency, one can argue he as even above nadal but i will agree rafa is right up there.

 

[Moxie]

He was a threat to public safety! Rofl. Only a true novak hater would believe such gibberish. In that same year he was banned at AO, he played at roland garros and wimbledon. What ‘danger’ did he present in paris or wimbledon? None. Anyone with above retarded intelligence knows the australian gov used him as a politicsl pawn, to score points. Facts show most people spreading covid were vaccinated, so he was as much a danger as all vaccinated people. The justice system was going to side with government no matter what or would’ve been embarrassing for australia.

This is not Novak-hating. This is what three judges in a court of law decided. You may not like it, but he and his lawyers went through the process, and that was the outcome. And they accepted it. There's no point in re-litigating it here. What's decided is decided, no matter what your opinion is.

mental strength. Many players and tennis experts who are much more knowledgeable than you say he is mentally strongest ever. Just resd up on the many former greats and current players saying it. The fact that he had periods of fragility mean nothing

I really don't care about the bandwagoning of some. Who? John McEnroe, who blows with the wind? You just said, "The fact that he had periods of fragility mean nothing."

Really? And why not? Because there have been more than a few.

you have to look at the entire career. His mental strength is legendary. Who else could beat nadal in a 6 hour ao final and beat him twice at FO? Beat federer 3 times in nail biting finals at wimbledon? The 2 set down comeback against tsiti at RG, the famous comeback against fed at USO… the man’s mental strengh has been superhuman.

I'm not saying he's all fragility. He can be very tough. Look at his TB record in this recent RG. Not a single UFE. That's toughness, for sure. You don't win 23 Majors on talent and good looks alone. (Oh, wait, sorry about that last.)

Sure, he's tough. But let's not kid ourselves about beating Tsitsipas at the French. All he had to do was keep standing up.

But what about that inexplicable collapse against Querrey at Wimbledon in 2016? That was mental. Or falling apart at the Olympics, shortly after? What about firing his entire team and keeping only Pepe Imaz? ("Amor y Paz.") And then going on what ended up being a 2-year walkabout? Novak is great when he's winning, but he can be fragile when he's less than confident. That can be said for all of the top 3, to some extent. Sure, Rafa's 2015 slump was all about lack of confidence. But Novak has a temper, and it doesn't always serve him. Rafa really doesn't ever lose it.

This FO, the commentators were saying he went like 6-0 in tiebteakers and made 0 UFEss - lockdown when it most matters.

As I gave him credit for, above.

Who else could beat nadal in like 7 straight finals in 2011?

Again, see our conversation on the other thread. Novak found "another gear" in 2011, and Rafa had to adjust. He was used to playing to Roger's bh, and then he got a guy with a sudden burst of energy, who had a 2-handed bh, and it was his best wing. That took some adjustment. And he adjusted.

If rafa is mentally stronger, then does it mean djokovic is that much better as a tennis player that even being mentally weaker has won 23 slams and has winning record against rafa?

Note that Rafa has 22 slams, and the H2H has a differential of one match. This is not a great example. If you actually follow tennis, you know that Nadal is as tough as nails, mentally. We can argue, but for you to try to make the case that Novak is head-and-shoulders above Rafa, mentally, I think you're not paying attention to tennis. You know that.

Think about that. You point to periods here and there but look at the many more times he exhibited almost otherworldly mental qualities. Heck, i recall even broken poster here (big nadal fan) saying how mentally weak rafa was in 2011 as djokovic ‘was in his head’ which of course i don’t agree with. Point is, everyone can point to periods here and there of dips as they are humans after all. When you look at longevity, his ability to pull through in tight situations so many times and his consistency, one can argue he as even above nadal but i will agree rafa is right up there.

Ah, so essentially you agree with me, at least in that you can't put Novak hugely above Rafa, mentally. I disagree that Novak is above him, mentally. But we could argue that forever. I'm cool as long as you accept that it's very close. Though I still think you're wrong.

As to 2011, anyone could see that at a certain point, Novak was in Rafa's head. I wouldn't call that "weak," I would call it a problem to work out, which Rafa did. Their matches in that period were hotly contested, unlike, say, Nadal's demolition of Roger at RG in 2008. Now THAT is being in someone's head.

 

[Kieran]

He was a threat to public safety! Rofl. Only a true novak hater would believe such gibberish. In that same year he was banned at AO, he played at roland garros and wimbledon. What ‘danger’ did he present in paris or wimbledon? None. Anyone with above retarded intelligence knows the australian gov used him as a politicsl pawn, to score points. Facts show most people spreading covid were vaccinated, so he was as much a danger as all vaccinated people. The justice system was going to side with government no matter what or would’ve been embarrassing for australia.

mental strength. Many players and tennis experts who are much more knowledgeable than you say he is mentally strongest ever. Just resd up on the many former greats and current players saying it. The fact that he had periods of fragility mean nothing, you have to look at the entire career. His mental strength is legendary. Who else could beat nadal in a 6 hour ao final and beat him twice at FO? Beat federer 3 times in nail biting finals at wimbledon? The 2 set down comeback against tsiti at RG, the famous comeback against fed at USO… the man’s mental strengh has been superhuman. This FO, the commentators were saying he went like 6-0 in tiebteakers and made 0 UFEss - lockdown when it most matters. Who else could beat nadal in like 7 straight finals in 2011? If rafa is mentally stronger, then does it mean djokovic is that much better as a tennis player that even being mentally weaker has won 23 slams and has winning record against rafa? Think about that. You point to periods here and there but look at the many more times he exhibited almost otherworldly mental qualities. Heck, i recall even broken poster here (big nadal fan) saying how mentally weak rafa was in 2011 as djokovic ‘was in his head’ which of course i don’t agree with. Point is, everyone can point to periods here and there of dips as they are humans after all. When you look at longevity, his ability to pull through in tight situations so many times and his consistency, one can argue he as even above nadal but i will agree rafa is right up there.

Mike one, you’re like a child. I think I remember you from the old tennis.com forums and you weren’t much of a tennis fan then either. You’re a glory hunter. You like bragging. And when things go against your player, you run away and hide until things go well again, and you come back, copy and pasting from other sources things to brag about.

I have no respect for the intelligence or integrity of anybody who is still arguing that Novak was hard done by in Australia. Or America, for that matter. You’re stuck in a childish insistence that what’s real doesn’t matter, the only thing that matters is what you want to be real. And like a child, you demand that your hero ought to be given unearned and unfair advantages. If we have to argue this Australian situation with you forever then that only means you’re lacking intelligence, or integrity. The factual evidence is that Novak wasn’t entitled to enter Australia, and he lied and cheated to try to get in.

There’s why you lack integrity in this, by the way - because your (current) squeeze lacks it too.

As for mental toughness, this is a relative thing. Novak is largely mentally tough - though not always - but hasn’t defeated many players at a slam recently that required mental toughness. Largely he’s just had to wait fellas out. Berretini? Kyrgios? Tsitsipas? Ruud? If they were the last 4 players in a slam, none of them would win it…

 

[shawnbm]

His list of accomplishments is undeniable, and I am not a huge fan. I respect his abilities, even though I do not like the way he plays or his on-court attitude. That being said, I used to say that Federer was the gate through whom all must pass, but Novak has surpassed him in major finals and victories; so, it now appears to be Novak. I thought Federer would not be touched in terms of weeks at #1 a few years back, especially when he added to it in 2017, but Nole did that too and is pulling further and further away. Federer was ahead of him in tiebreaker record over a career, but Novak going 6-0 in Paris makes them just about even. He has won all Masters titles twice and Rafael and Roger have not done that even once. It speaks to his excellence. He could win a number of AO titles over the next few years and SW19 may be yet another for him and then he would tie Roger on grass in terms of major titles. Statistically, he has the best record of anyone in the Open Era--and I do not like admitting that.

 

[MikeOne]

Lol… i love how novak has gotten into so many fedal fans’s head, they can’t even sleep

i’m not even entertaining more dicussion on his mental strength or how he was a ‘threat to public safety’. Just way to ridiculous to argue these topics…

i love the competition argument now. Fedal fans are becoming more desparate. Btw, are we going to factor in that federer during 04-06 accumulated 6-7 slams without djokovic and a baby nadal? Lucky him..

when djokovic rose, in 07.. he was facing fedal at their strongest. He faced them at their best for years. He has beaten in both playing at their best, he even started beating prime fed in 07 when novak was a baby…

I’d say fed was lucky as hell he didn’t have to face the true goat between 04-06!

and i have to say. If djokivic wins his 8th wimbledon this year, you all realize how devastating this will be for federer? Novak will be way ahead of nadal in weeks at #1, have an edge on rafa in slams, masters, h2h but rafa will still be able to say he was king of clay. If djokovic wins his 8th wimbledon, we won’t even be able to say federer was the king of grass. Lol… devastating. To be frank, out of respect for federer, i hope novak doesn’t get his 8th wimbledon. Novak already has all the most significant records, i would actually feel bad if he gets his 8th wimbledon title and given his 3-0 record vs so called grass king at wimbledon finals, would basically egde federer and be known as grass court king. THIS WOULD BE TOO MUCH… i’d be ok if novak doesn’t win his 8th so federer is at least remembered as best somewhere… he deserves to be remembered as grass court king at least!!!

 

[Kieran]

Lol… i love how novak has gotten into so many fedal fans’s head, they can’t even sleep

i’m not even entertaining more dicussion on his mental strength or how he was a ‘threat to public safety’. Just way to ridiculous to argue these topics…

i love the competition argument now. Fedal fans are becoming more desparate. Btw, are we going to factor in that federer during 04-06 accumulated 6-7 slams without djokovic and a baby nadal? Lucky him..

when djokovic rose, in 07.. he was facing fedal at their strongest. He faced them at their best for years. He has beaten in both playing at their best, he even started beating prime fed in 07 when novak was a baby…

I’d say fed was licky as hell he didnn’t have to face the true goat between 04-06!

and i have to say. If djokivic wins his 8th wimbledon this year, you all realize how devastating this will be for federer? Novak will be way ahead of nadal in weeks at #1, have an edge on rafa in slams, masters, h2h but rafa will still be able to say he was king of clay. If djokovic wins his 8tu wimbledon, we won’t even be able to say federer was the king of grass. Lol… devastating. To be frank, out of respect for federer, i hope novak doesn’t get his 8th wimbledon. Novak already has all the most significant records, i would actually feel bad if he gets his 8th wimbledon title and given his 3-0 record vs so called grass king at wimbledon, would basically egde federer and be known as grass court king. THIS WOULD BE TOO MUCH… i’d be ok if novak doesn’t win his 8th federer is at least remembered as best somewhere…

That’s just stupid. Particularly the last line. Let me scan it for you: Federer will be remembered regardless of what Novak does from now on. It’s a pity you’re not a tennis fan, you’d enjoy the sport, I reckon, though I doubt you’d understand much of it..

 

[MikeOne]

Never said fed wouldn’t be remembered, just may not be remembered as best on grass.. ah, man.. i hope roger at least keeps the 8th wimbledon title record. Novak, take a break man… gun for US open

 

[Kieran]

Never said fed wouldn’t be remembered, just may not be remembered as best on grass.. ah, man.. i hope roger at least keeps the 8th wimbledon title record. Novak, take a break man… gun for US open

Actually if you knew more about tennis you’d understand that Novak and Rafa might not even have one Wimbledon title between them on grass that was played on before the game homogenised. Roger technically is better suited than both of them for that type of grass..

 

[shawnbm]

Pete Sampras was king of that ^ grass! No doubt about it!