Time to crown Novak the GOAT?

[Andy22]

I thought FFA was a bit liberal, but as a Norweigan Casper Ruud is a downright Socialist. ; )

Damn typo again I just noticed

 

[Andy22]

Jelenafan is right we should wait until Both Nadal and Djokovic Careers are over before we talk about the Goat.

 

[Jelenafan]

Damn typo again I just noticed

I know, but i just couldn’t resist! ; )

 

[Andy22]

I know, but i just couldn’t resist! ; )

It's fine I don't mind

 

[TheSicilian]

Jelenafan is right we should wait until Both Nadal and Djokovic Careers are over before we talk about the Goat.

So around the year 2055

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

So around the year 2055

I will be in Heaven by then

 

[El Dude]

Of course we won't be able to fully answer the question of GOAT until all careers are over - if even then. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it now - look at where things are, and speculate about the future. I mean, that's part of the fun of tennis, no?

 

[El Dude]

Meaning, I think "GOAT" - to the extent that it is even a valid concept - is a moving target. It isn't static, nor is there a final answer. "All-time" really means "thus far" and often only means "Open Era, 1968-present."

While Novak is probably the best candidate for Open Era GOAT right now, that might change in 20 or 30 years. We simply don't know. But what we can discuss is who is the GOAT right now. My view, again, is the best answer for Open Era only is Novak, with Fedal a bit behind him. If we are talking all of tennis history, then it is between Novak and Laver. But it doesn't meant that won't change...assuming civilization doesn't collapse (which at this point, is a big assumption), then at some point, someone will probably surpass all four.

But most importantly, it is all just a fun, even silly, exercise with no stakes. It doesn't need to be this big thing, in which our self identifies are intertwined with whether or not our guys are the greatest. Roger is my personal FOAT (Favorite of All Time), but I still rank him behind Laver and Djokovic on my personal all-time GOAT list.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

sportingnews.com just listed their goats and Nadal is still number one:

Who is the best men's tennis player ever? GOAT ranking for Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and others | Sporting News

Ranking the greatest men's tennis players in history, including Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer.

www.sportingnews.com

sportingsnews.com > el dude

 

[El Dude]

You're cute, @Nadalfan2013 .

 

[Moxie]

Meaning, I think "GOAT" - to the extent that it is even a valid concept - is a moving target. It isn't static, nor is there a final answer. "All-time" really means "thus far" and often only means "Open Era, 1968-present."

While Novak is probably the best candidate for Open Era GOAT right now, that might change in 20 or 30 years. We simply don't know. But what we can discuss is who is the GOAT right now. My view, again, is the best answer for Open Era only is Novak, with Fedal a bit behind him. If we are talking all of tennis history, then it is between Novak and Laver. But it doesn't meant that won't change...assuming civilization doesn't collapse (which at this point, is a big assumption), then at some point, someone will probably surpass all four.

But most importantly, it is all just a fun, even silly, exercise with no stakes. It doesn't need to be this big thing, in which our self identifies are intertwined with whether or not our guys are the greatest. Roger is my personal FOAT (Favorite of All Time), but I still rank him behind Laver and Djokovic on my personal all-time GOAT list.

Have you abandoned your 3-headed GOAT theory? I thought you were pretty convinced that they were inextricably linked?

 

[Ricardo]

Of course we won't be able to fully answer the question of GOAT until all careers are over - if even then. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it now - look at where things are, and speculate about the future. I mean, that's part of the fun of tennis, no?

hypocrites, they used to say GOAT can't be determined since we don't know all time (the future). El Duh is this hidden Djokovic fan, who wasn't talking GOAT when Fed had the leading stats, now he comes out of the closet. interesting mentality.....

 

[El Dude]

Have you abandoned your 3-headed GOAT theory? I thought you were pretty convinced that they were inextricably linked?

Not necessarily. I think they're both valid. One is a "holistic" view, the other is a "hierarchic" view. I mean, you know I've been talking about "gun to head" for awhile. But I think it is also valid to say all three are co-GOATs offering different flavorings of GOATness.

 

[Ricardo]

Have you abandoned your 3-headed GOAT theory? I thought you were pretty convinced that they were inextricably linked?

he is a Novak fan using Federer as facade, perhaps because it looks good with Fed's classy manner as you would look less diehard a fan. over time people reveal their true colours, he was moving goalpost all the time but he always uplifted for Novak who at the time was a bit below and he was given same weight. Laver is also used as a facade as he is in this day and age, quite irrelevant since we couldn't really compare eras.....but use him to appear you are not all about fanboyism. of course its easy to see through that, since Laver was out of the question when he did his 3GOATs thing....pretty easy to spot really.

So Laver and Federer, use them when convenient, as both provided nice classy facades hahahhaaha

I stated a while ago that I see Novak as the greatest, he got the numbers and he got my upmost respect that he didn't hide what he chose.....not being vaccinated like the herd in our society. He knows the side effects better than the average Joes here for sure, has the guts to hold his stance. Novax is in such a great physical condition for a reason, and his fellow big members.....nobody can prove nothing but they definitely fell off the cliff. The rest of the tour too....hmmmmm, funny how Novak dominates them more than he used to, even when he gets older.....reasonable? if anyone looks closely (which they often don't these days in this idiotic society), Novak cannot stretch out for his backhand nearly as well as he used to, and that end range shot isn't as good. Yet, the vaccinated players clearly were worse themselves that they absolutely shit their pants in this AO.....just pathetic. Tsisipas was the only one playing pretty even with Novak, reached set point first in set 2 and beat himself with 4 unforced errors in the tiebreak, and was a break up in the 3rd.

Total respect for Novak, he sucked it all up and defeated the 'system' that tried to set him up to fail. This only adds to why he is the greatest.

 

[Ricardo]

Not necessarily. I think they're both valid. One is a "holistic" view, the other is a "hierarchic" view. I mean, you know I've been talking about "gun to head" for awhile. But I think it is also valid to say all three are co-GOATs offering different flavorings of GOATness.

That is another oh duh classic, that someone has a holistic view, or a hierarchic view, or personal view, or public view, or gun to my head view hahahaha, when your contradictory views are exposed. So GOAT is like 50 shades of GREY....hahahhahahhahahaha

 

[El Dude]

That is another oh duh classic, that someone has a holistic view, or a hierarchic view, or personal view, or public view, or gun to my head view hahahaha, when your contradictory views are exposed. So GOAT is like 50 shades of GREY....hahahhahahhahahaha

Well, there's only one shade of Ricardo.

But yeah, I'm saying that you can look at something from a variety of lenses or perspectives. Crazy idea, I know.

 

[Moxie]

he is a Novak fan using Federer as facade, perhaps because it looks good with Fed's classy manner as you would look less diehard a fan. over time people reveal their true colours, he was moving goalpost all the time but he always uplifted for Novak who at the time was a bit below and he was given same weight. Laver is also used as a facade as he is in this day and age, quite irrelevant since we couldn't really compare eras.....but use him to appear you are not all about fanboyism. of course its easy to see through that, since Laver was out of the question when he did his 3GOATs thing....pretty easy to spot really.

This I do not believe at all. El Dude is a Federer man. He's been trying to see the road for what it is, and he's also not unhappy with Djokovic, for his own reasons. But he's not a Djokovic fan in Swiss clothing. That I fully believe.

 

[Moxie]

I stated a while ago that I see Novak as the greatest, he got the numbers and he got my upmost respect that he didn't hide what he chose.....not being vaccinated like the herd in our society. He knows the side effects better than the average Joes here for sure, has the guts to hold his stance. Novax is in such a great physical condition for a reason, and his fellow big members.....nobody can prove nothing but they definitely fell off the cliff. The rest of the tour too....hmmmmm, funny how Novak dominates them more than he used to, even when he gets older.....reasonable? if anyone looks closely (which they often don't these days in this idiotic society), Novak cannot stretch out for his backhand nearly as well as he used to, and that end range shot isn't as good. Yet, the vaccinated players clearly were worse themselves that they absolutely shit their pants in this AO.....just pathetic. Tsisipas was the only one playing pretty even with Novak, reached set point first in set 2 and beat himself with 4 unforced errors in the tiebreak, and was a break up in the 3rd.

Total respect for Novak, he sucked it all up and defeated the 'system' that tried to set him up to fail. This only adds to why he is the greatest.

Novak certainly did not defeat the system, though he tried. He tried lying and faking his way against it. This is not nobility, this is trickery. If he were being noble about the cause, he'd have been completely forthright about his vaccination stance before the AO last year. Instead, he went with the option of an exemption that everyone could have told you wouldn't hold water. When it didn't work, he came out, about a month later, with his "strong" position against vaccinations. Let's face it, he was forced to. And now you're implying that the rest of the tour is weakened because they did take the vaccination? It's kind of an interesting theory, I guess...if you look good in a tinfoil hat.

 

[El Dude]

This I do not believe at all. El Dude is a Federer man. He's been trying to see the road for what it is, and he's also not unhappy with Djokovic, for his own reasons. But he's not a Djokovic fan in Swiss clothing. That I fully believe.

Truth, Moxie. And just to be clear, I'm not unhappy with Rafa either. More his fans

 

[El Dude]

Hey Ricardo, Laver isn't on par with the Big Three if we're talking Open Era only. But if we're talking all of tennis history, he's right there with them. Never said otherwise, so there's at least one of your conspiratorial bubbles popped.