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It’s all good..Relax...you know what I meant..the bad Actors know who they are...
The Ultimate FEDAL (Wars) Thread
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What exactly do Nic Cage and Keanu Reeves have to do with this? Anyway, you can count me out of this too. I've stated numerous times that eventhough I can't stand Nadal I've given him plenty of credit. Not my fault if yourself and especially Carol keep missing or forgetting everything as you "liked" some of those posts meaning you did actually read them...
From the RG final thread for what it's worth and enough of the silliness saying Federer fans don't give Nadal credit. There'd be less stupid ranting between fanbases if the Nadal brigade actually read the comments without bitching over nothing.
https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...al-wawrinka-vs-nadal.5497/page-24#post-295097
https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...al-wawrinka-vs-nadal.5497/page-27#post-295168
https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...al-wawrinka-vs-nadal.5497/page-28#post-295169
https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...al-wawrinka-vs-nadal.5497/page-22#post-295054
https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...al-wawrinka-vs-nadal.5497/page-22#post-295064
https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...al-wawrinka-vs-nadal.5497/page-20#post-295026
https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...al-wawrinka-vs-nadal.5497/page-14#post-294903
https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...al-wawrinka-vs-nadal.5497/page-29#post-295210
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Have I talked about a specific GS? NOT, just about a surface named HC OUTDOOR. Did Pannatta beat Borg 8 times in clay ? please try don't make that silly comparation
Which is why Roger's the GOAT...because how many more clay titles - especially French Opens - would he have if not for Nadal? Cuz...you know...Roger played in such a "weak era..." Roger was close in a lot of those matches and should have won a few of them except Nadal was in his head the way he's now in Nadal's head. It's just really ironic that Nadal dominated when they were younger but now that they're older Roger is the one who's on the run and dominating. Steroids aside... LOL!
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Sometimes I wonder how annoying the Fedal wars must be for non-Fedal fans. I mean, they're probably the two greatest and most accomplished players of the Open Era, yet we fans need to constantly argue who is better.
I mean, who cares? They're both amazing.
Its like two rich dudes arguing who has the nicer multi-million dollar mansion. Not only are they both really nice, but to everyone else they sound like a bunch of entitled, spoilt a-holes.
I mean, who cares? They're both amazing.
Its like two rich dudes arguing who has the nicer multi-million dollar mansion. Not only are they both really nice, but to everyone else they sound like a bunch of entitled, spoilt a-holes.
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It’s a valid comparison. It speaks to the absurdity of using H2H to assess how good a player is on a surface. The fact you refuse to accept common sense is your issue not mine
Let me throw another log on your fire -
Shanghai: 4-0 Fed not 2-0 Fed. Roger won Shanghai twice when it was the WTF (2006 and 2007). And lest we all forget? He's 3-0 vs. Nadal in Shanghai because he beat him each time he won the WTF in Shanghai.
I guess you could extrapolate that and say -
WTF: 4-0 Fed...because Roger won it twice in Houston (2003-2004), too, but Nadal didn't play in either of those, so I guess it would be rude of me to cite that stat. It moved to Shanghai in 2005 - where Roger lost the final to Nalbandian after being up 2 sets to none. He DID have an ankle injury and he played pretty crappy those last 3 sets but all credit to Nalbandian for seizing the opportunity.
Dang...if only they'd play that WTF on clay...then some people wouldn't be 0-for-7.. Think about that...Roger's been in the WTF final more times (10) than Nadal has played the event - and won it 1 less time (6) than Nadal has even played it (7). That's pretty damned funny. Yet Nadal is risking injury by playing in Paris and possibly missing the WTF for 5th time when he doesn't need to play the tourney because he's got YE#! all but clinched. I just don't get it. And still Carol excuses his Shanghai drumming as Rafa was tired from playing back-to-back weeks? That don't fly. He can always NOT play so many tourneys...and then he wouldn't be able to whine that Roger is "saving his body" by not overplaying. Well, no shite, Sherlock...
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Nadal 8 times winner vs Federer in HC OUTDOOR, Federer 6 times
I can imagine what all of you would have said if Roger would have beaten Nadal in clay 8 times and Rafa 6 times, ohhh myyy gooooodness!!!!
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Hey Buddy.. You left out the most hated actor, Ben Afleck ..
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As I've been pruning this and the other thread, I saw this from you, and will always respond to you. I generally respond to points, and will defend Carol if she makes a valid one, which she does hit, on occasion. This conversation has seemed to caromed randomly between H2H and general resume. I would never claim that Nadal was better than Roger on HCs or grass.
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Steroids are one of the reasons that the conversations go on and on, and are rather cheapened. There are folks on both sides that make cheap digs at the other side, and all of them bring the conversation down, because of the inclination to respond to the lower levels of discourse. It comes from both sides.
As to your point on Roger v. Rafa on clay: Roger beat Rafa at Hamburg, to break his win streak on clay (at 81 or 82.) And in Madrid at the inaugural event. He got very close to beating him in Rome in '06, and there were a few others that went to 3. The next closest was RG '11, and still Rafa got him in 4 sets. That's not really "a lot" of those matches. Rafa beat Roger on clay because he's better than Roger on it, and better than everyone else. I think that's not disputable. You may find it ironic that Rafa dominated for so long, and that Roger has finally found a way out with Rafa. A few matches, and everyone has a short memory. I'm not convinced that the rest of their days will be just Roger getting the better of Rafa.
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You’re projectIng Carol. I’m not dumb enough to think that. Rafa has what... 60 titles on clay vs Roger with what.. 10? (Guessing). I’m too good at math and logic to think that Roger could be better on clay than someone with those sort of numbers even if the H2H was like your scenario. Perhaps I give you too much credit to be able to do simple deductive reasoning
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Hey Buddy.. You left out the most hated actor, Ben Afleck ..
I actually liked The Town and The Accountant but, yeah, generally he's not great.
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and it shouldn't be, age alone would be key deciding factor in how Fed can hold up going forward. So far he has defied the odds of a 36yo playing at such level, which i've never seen from a 36yo. At some point, and i mean soon, he will slow down significantly.
The victories this year by Fed over Nadal have been a beat down. This is owning someone. Not a blip. It's a trend that cannot be washed away by age or Fed just "figured it out". If someone wanted to argue that if Fed had played the clay court season he wouldn't have 4 consecutive wins this year I'm ok with that. But then I would counter had Fed played any of the clay court events he would have ended up #1...
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the Town was good but I am always disappointed in a movie when he doesnt get Killed.. My favorite Ben Afleck movie was Smokin Aces. His role was a cameo and he gets killed immediately. Perfect movie for me
