The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[GameSetAndMath]

Why would Tipsy be asked that? I think they always play 5 matches if one of the two teams asks for it right? Even if they are 3-0 up, I think Serbia can still ask for the other two to be played.

Even if one team is up 3-0, they can play on unless they both mutually agree to stop.
However, a player cannot get 75 points for winning a rubber match that is not live.
So, even if Djokovic plays two matches, his second match will not be considered for
point purposes if that is not a live match (live meaning it is not yet known as to
which country won the tie).

Also, to get the bonus 75 points, Djokovic needs to win 7 live DC rubber matches
this year. He has won 5 and so he needs to win two more in the finals.

In a nutshell, if Djokovic wins only one DC live rubber, he gets 75 points only;
On the contrary, if he wins two live matches, he gets 225 points (2 *75 = 150
plus a bonus 75).

That is the reason Tipsy might be asked to throw his match if the race for
#1 comes to that.

 

[Front242]

Why would Tipsy be asked that? I think they always play 5 matches if one of the two teams asks for it right? Even if they are 3-0 up, I think Serbia can still ask for the other two to be played.

Even if one team is up 3-0, they can play on unless they both mutually agree to stop.
However, a player cannot get 75 points for winning a rubber match that is not live.
So, even if Djokovic plays two matches, his second match will not be considered for
point purposes if that is not a live match (live meaning it is not yet known as to
which country won the tie).

Also, to get the bonus 75 points, Djokovic needs to win 7 live DC rubber matches
this year. He has won 5 and so he needs to win two more in the finals.

In a nutshell, if Djokovic wins only one DC live rubber, he gets 75 points only;
On the contrary, if he wins two live matches, he gets 225 points (2 *75 = 150
plus a bonus 75).

That is the reason Tipsy might be asked to throw his match if the race for
#1 comes to that.

Tipsarevic's form is so rotten right now he wouldn't need to tank anyway. I enjoyed watching him when he was playing well and in the top 10 but he went downhill fast. A shame.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

 

[brokenshoelace]

Welcome to two years ago.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

True. 2011 is irrelevant.

 

[Kieran]

I couldn't imagine Tipsy being asked or offering to throw a DC match in Serbia...

 

[NADAL2005RG]

I've never lived in Serbia, and never met a Serbian, so no idea.

 

[Denis]

Why would Tipsy be asked that? I think they always play 5 matches if one of the two teams asks for it right? Even if they are 3-0 up, I think Serbia can still ask for the other two to be played.

Even if one team is up 3-0, they can play on unless they both mutually agree to stop.
However, a player cannot get 75 points for winning a rubber match that is not live.
So, even if Djokovic plays two matches, his second match will not be considered for
point purposes if that is not a live match (live meaning it is not yet known as to
which country won the tie).

Also, to get the bonus 75 points, Djokovic needs to win 7 live DC rubber matches
this year. He has won 5 and so he needs to win two more in the finals.

In a nutshell, if Djokovic wins only one DC live rubber, he gets 75 points only;
On the contrary, if he wins two live matches, he gets 225 points (2 *75 = 150
plus a bonus 75).

That is the reason Tipsy might be asked to throw his match if the race for
#1 comes to that.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Denis]

So we had quite some discussion on DP and Ferrer's chances overtaking Murray. And it's getting more likely. These are the standing after this week:

3. Ferrer 5800
4. Murray 5790
5. Del Potro 5055

DP needs to go deep though. Ferrer is already beyond Murray for this year.

 

[Denis]

So also, Nole becomes No1e for next week. He takes over the no 1 spot for at least one week.

 

[herios]

So we had quite some discussion on DP and Ferrer's chances overtaking Murray. And it's getting more likely. These are the standing after this week:

3. Ferrer 5800
4. Murray 5790
5. Del Potro 5055

DP needs to go deep though. Ferrer is already beyond Murray for this year.

That is right!!!!! I told you on the Shanghai thread that Ferrer has really good chances to stay ahead of Andy by the end of the season and you did not want to believe it. Even if he lost all 3 finals he played, he edged out Andy in the end and he will finish the year no lower than 4. The win yesterday over Rafa was crucial to clinch that position for David.
Both Andy and David are defending 400 points in London, Andy not playing will lose them all, if David will lose all matches in London will keep his 10 points lead and will finish ahead of him.
DP will need to make the finals to edge out Andy as well, also he could even edge out David as well, depending how David will do.

 

[Denis]

Yes, it looks like Ferrer is set for the no 3 spot unless DP reaches the final. If he does, you will be proven entirely correct (if I am not mistaken) with DP at 3, Ferrer at 4 and Murray at 5.

 

[herios]

Yes, it looks like Ferrer is set for the no 3 spot unless DP reaches the final. If he does, you will be proven entirely correct (if I am not mistaken) with DP at 3, Ferrer at 4 and Murray at 5.

If David wins nothing, Delpo has to make the finals to pass him, but if David wins a rubber or two, Delpo will need to win London to be third.
Now it is up to JMDP to be able to get into the top 4, next week. 2 rubbers and a SF win will do it.

 

[Denis]

Which I hope will happen. That is: against Nadal.

 

[El Dude]

Let me see if I have this correct: If Rafa wins one match at the WTF, he's guaranteed the year-end ranking. For Novak to be #1 he has to win it all AND for Rafa to not win any matches.

For Novak fans, there remains a sliver of hope!

 

[tented]

So also, Nole becomes No1e for next week. He takes over the no 1 spot for at least one week.

Let me see if I have this correct: If Rafa wins one match at the WTF, he's guaranteed the year-end ranking. For Novak to be #1 he has to win it all AND for Rafa to not win any matches.

For Novak fans, there remains a sliver of hope!

Which one of you is correct? :huh:

 

[Denis]

So also, Nole becomes No1e for next week. He takes over the no 1 spot for at least one week.

Let me see if I have this correct: If Rafa wins one match at the WTF, he's guaranteed the year-end ranking. For Novak to be #1 he has to win it all AND for Rafa to not win any matches.

For Novak fans, there remains a sliver of hope!

Which one of you is correct? :huh:

El Dude is wrong. There are also points to be won in Davis Cup. Read back in the thread. GSM and I did the calculations.

 

[Front242]

Let me see if I have this correct: If Rafa wins one match at the WTF, he's guaranteed the year-end ranking. For Novak to be #1 he has to win it all AND for Rafa to not win any matches.

For Novak fans, there remains a sliver of hope!

Thought he had to win 2 matches if Novak wins the WTF and goes undefeated there and wins the necessary DC matches? I don't think he'll win every match at the WTF though personally.

 

[Denis]

With Nole not playing Basel, Nadal will clinch year end no 1 if he gets in 666 points for the last two tournaments of the year as he is 2060 in the lead at the moment. Novak can get a max of 2725 points in three events (WTF, Davis Cup, Paris). Novak needs to make the final in Paris to the very least, but will probably need to win Paris, WTF and the Davis Cup and hope for two early exits by Nadal.

You are wrong GSM. I already did the calculations as you can see above. Novak can get 225 points for Davis Cup. A final will not be enough for Rafa. I am sure Novak will play both rubbers.

You are right. I stand corrected. A final would not do. Rafa needs to win Paris
outright to guarantee it and I don't think it will happen.

It will be fun if the YE#1 gets determined at the Davis Cup Finals. I don't know
whether it ever came to that. I know it has come to WTF before.

It will be even more fun, if Tipsaravic was requested to throw a match in
DC, so that Djokovic can win a second live rubber. Note that they do not give
the 75 points, if it is not a live rubber match.

There is another post by GSM explaining that Novak needs to win two live rubbers.

 

[Denis]

Nadal needs 306 points more to clinch YE no1. In other words, two more wins.

More info after reaching the semis at Bercy.