The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[Denis]

but not ahead of Murray which is what you posted. I doubt the scenario you think will happen (Ferrer 3 DP 4 Murray 5) will materialize, but we'll see. They will both (DP and Ferrer) need to perform very well.

 

[Denis]

del potro has a chance to finish world no4 rank ahead of murray by end of season,

del potro is not defending his Vienna title and has 500pts in defending his basel title the week after..but with andy losing a lot of points that scenario could play out..stay tuned in folks.

I really doubt that. He'll need to find 1500 points in three tournaments with Nadal, Djokovic competing in two of them and the Fedster competing in all three. Plus, Ferrer would need to overtake Murray too which will require Ferrer to find 800 points in the coming three events. Could happen of course, but the two combined I dont know.

eh..:huh:, you need to look again at the dead hard sums,

murrays end of year total will be 5'800 approx, that's less than 300 more than del potro now, jmdp has 500pts to defend at basle, not much at paris and 6oo in wtf..he is capapble of finishing 4th.

paris is up in the air as no one knows who really wants to be there, and the wtf is somewhere he will feel he can win.

No. You need to look again at the dead hard sums.

Murray has 5805 points this year.

Del Potro has 4420 points so far this year. That is a gap of 1385 points, which is considerable considering the fact that Nole and Nadal will be playing the events he will enter and there is only a max of 3000 points left for him (if he wins it all, which is highly unlikely). DP can do it, yes, but I really doubt it.

You have got the dead hard sums wrong..

it is well within del potro's reach to finish world no4 rank.

And what exactly is wrong about my sums? I took them from the ATP website. Nothing wrong about the numbers. We can argue about the likelyhood of DP getting almost 1400 points in three tournaments and Ferrer getting 815 in four, but the sums are right.

 

[herios]

Changes in the op 10 this week:

Ferrer recaptures his career high rank 3 while Murray loses points and Tsonga passes Wawrinka for the 8 spot.
Biggest jumper Dudi Sela 19 spots to 68 after he won a challenger in Taskent.

Career highs:
F. Delbonis 55
M.Przysiezny 69 (you are better off copy-pasting this name)
T.Smyczek 87 now he is the 3rd American ranked player

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

I really doubt that. He'll need to find 1500 points in three tournaments with Nadal, Djokovic competing in two of them and the Fedster competing in all three. Plus, Ferrer would need to overtake Murray too which will require Ferrer to find 800 points in the coming three events. Could happen of course, but the two combined I dont know.

eh..:huh:, you need to look again at the dead hard sums,

murrays end of year total will be 5'800 approx, that's less than 300 more than del potro now, jmdp has 500pts to defend at basle, not much at paris and 6oo in wtf..he is capapble of finishing 4th.

paris is up in the air as no one knows who really wants to be there, and the wtf is somewhere he will feel he can win.

No. You need to look again at the dead hard sums.

Murray has 5805 points this year.

Del Potro has 4420 points so far this year. That is a gap of 1385 points, which is considerable considering the fact that Nole and Nadal will be playing the events he will enter and there is only a max of 3000 points left for him (if he wins it all, which is highly unlikely). DP can do it, yes, but I really doubt it.

You have got the dead hard sums wrong..

it is well within del potro's reach to finish world no4 rank.

And what exactly is wrong about my sums? I took them from the ATP website. Nothing wrong about the numbers. We can argue about the likelyhood of DP getting almost 1400 points in three tournaments and Ferrer getting 815 in four, but the sums are right.

del potro is capable of winning the wtf which would mean a rank above murray, (or pretty close to him).. and he can gain further in other tourneys.

or win paris for 1000pts and get the rest from other tourneys..easy as that baby.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

but not ahead of Murray which is what you posted. I doubt the scenario you think will happen (Ferrer 3 DP 4 Murray 5) will materialize, but we'll see. They will both (DP and Ferrer) need to perform very well.

if del potro finishes year at world no 4 rank he prob will be ahead of murray(ferrer could finish 3, 4, 5) del potro could finish no3 with ferrer 4 murray 5,

or del potro, 3, murray 4, ferrer 5..so I was right, it's you that is wrong by claiming I was wrong.

 

[Denis]

With Nole not playing Basel, Nadal will clinch year end no 1 if he gets in 666 points for the last two tournaments of the year as he is 2060 in the lead at the moment. Novak can get a max of 2725 points in three events (WTF, Davis Cup, Paris). Novak needs to make the final in Paris to the very least, but will probably need to win Paris, WTF and the Davis Cup and hope for two early exits by Nadal.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

I hope Nadal doesn't exit early at the World Tour Finals. Its not impossible I guess if Federer continues his indoor winning streak over Nadal, if they are in the same group, and if Nadal gets upset by someone else. Either way, I think Nadal has a great chance of winning the Paris Masters. He is in it to win it, because he has avoided marathons since Cincy (no deciding sets at US Open, and in Asia only Fognini stretching him to a deciding set, and it was a breadstick 3rd set anyway), and is therefore physically fresh enough to focus on building form ahead of the World Tour Finals. I would say he'd also be motivated to break the record of masters shields in a year, but considering he already has the total masters shields record, probably won't seem like a big incentive to break the year record. Winning Paris would be important simply for indoor confidence (although, he didn't need indoor confidence in 2010 when he made the final of the World Tour Finals and beat Djokovic+Murray).

 

[Didi]

With Nole not playing Basel, Nadal will clinch year end no 1 if he gets in 666 points for the last two tournaments of the year as he is 2060 in the lead at the moment. Novak can get a max of 2725 points in three events (WTF, Davis Cup, Paris). Novak needs to make the final in Paris to the very least, but will probably need to win Paris, WTF and the Davis Cup and hope for two early exits by Nadal.

Interesting, thanks for the calculation, Denis. I wondered whether the DC final counts towards the year end #1 because the #1 trophy has always been presented at the YEC. Maybe the reason for it is that the rare scenario of having a player still fighting for the top spot during the Davis Cup final just never occurred so far. So Nadal still needs at least a combination of Paris SF + 2 group wins if Djokovic goes unbeaten. That's far from a given I have to say and makes the season finale all the more intriguing.

 

[Moxie]

^Both helpful to me, thanks! There's a lot to look out for in the next few weeks.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Nadal reaching the Paris SF and 2 group wins at the World Tour Finals is not a given, but very likely. I'd feels safe putting a $million on it.

 

[Denis]

^ The million dollars you made by betting against Nadal at the 2009 French Open I assume?

 

[NADAL2005RG]

^ I wasn't very sure of that loss, but I had a gut feeling it would occur - and that doesn't mean I predicted Soderling would be the player, just that I had a general ill feeling about Roland Garros 2009.

 

[Moxie]

Oh, come on. Nadal winning RG again in `09 was considered one of the surest bets in sports at that time. I'm pretty sure I'm quoting at least one commentator directly on that. No one knew, except for the bandages, that the knees were getting worse. Any fan could think, 'Can he really do it again?!' since, statistically, there wasn't much precedent, but I don't think that qualifies as a premonition.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Well 2009 still the only Roland Garros I ever had an ill gut for. Anyway, not important. Maybe I know it all, maybe I'm just lucky. Either way, these are great rankings we've been having lately.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Well 2009 still the only Roland Garros I ever had an ill gut for. Anyway, not important. Maybe I know it all, maybe I'm just lucky. Either way, these are great rankings we've been having lately.

I think you should quit your day job and you can make luxurious living out of
sports gambling.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Well 2009 still the only Roland Garros I ever had an ill gut for. Anyway, not important. Maybe I know it all, maybe I'm just lucky. Either way, these are great rankings we've been having lately.

I think you should quit your day job and you can make luxurious living out of
sports gambling.

The irony is, I've never made a sports bet ever in my life :blush:

 

[herios]

This week biggest jumper was Kukushkin:
up 35 spots from 102 to 67
New career high ranking for:
Dimitrov at 22
Smyczek at 84

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Look out....here comes Dimitrov.... :velo: :s

Fortunately Nadal got those early wins over him. Hopefully Nadal can get it up to 5-0 or 6-0 lease: before Dimitrov really goes to town :spacecadet:

 

[herios]

New career high for the following players this week, their age in brackets:

Vasek Pospisil (23) 32
Joao Sousa (24) 47
Edoudard Roger-Vasselin (29) 48
Michal Przysiezny (29) 65
Tim Smyczek (23) 83
Oleksandr Nedovyesov (26) 99.

Biggest dropper and climbers in rankings, both from Ukraine:
Dolgopolov down 21 spots ranked 59
Nedovyesov up 22 spots, newcomer in the top 100

 

[Moxie]

New career high for the following players this week, their age in brackets:

Vasek Pospisil (23) 32
Joao Sousa (24) 47
Edoudard Roger-Vasselin (29) 48
Michal Przysiezny (29) 65
Tim Smyczek (23) 83
Oleksandr Nedovyesov (26) 99.

Biggest dropper and climbers in rankings, both from Ukraine:
Dolgopolov down 21 spots ranked 59
Nedovyesov up 22 spots, newcomer in the top 100

Thanks for the update, herios. :clap