The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[Fiero425]

Thanks Rafanoy - but why did they exclude Vina del Mar? I see it now as a non-countable tournament - apologies to you and Sid.

Thanks for taking the time! I'm gonna read the rankings FAQ now and see what's the story.

Cheers!

All top 30 players are required to play 4 ATP 500 events in a year and are penalized with a 0 point penalty for each instance of non-compliance. The '0 point penalties' drop off after 52 weeks of imposition (you can see the drop off dates in the ranking breakdown). Due to having two '0 point' penalties, Nadal cannot count his Vina del Mar points ( in the best 6 category) towards his ATP (52 week) ranking.

Nadal's 0 point penalties drop off this October and VDM points can then count towards his ATP ranking. For this same reason, his RACE points (which reflect the ranking at year end) include the VDM points since VDM will replace one of his 0 point penalties by year end.

So he has no insentive to work himself into a tissy trying to win the remaining Masters events and take over the #1 ranking! Nice to hear! He'll go all out to win the USO, then coast the rest of the season!

 

[tented]

The entry deadline is 6 weeks prior to a tournament. His Hamburg or subsequent performances won't help him get a direct entry. Delbonis will be in the alternate list with his 114 ranking and can make the main draw only if about 10 players drop out. Barring a Wildcard, his likely route to USO main draw will have to be through qualies.

He lost in the first round of qualies.

 

[Moxie]

Just to revive this thread in the manner that it was meant, big movers of this week:

Radek Stepanek +10 to #51

Aljaz Bedene +18 to #89

Leonardo Mayer + 16 to #77

I don't think any of these is a career high. But I think this is a fun thread.

PS: Stepanek never ceases to amaze. He can play really versatile and fun tennis, and he's 34.

 

[zalvar]

[split] Rankings

Ya'll think Ferrer will end the year at 3??

 

[Moxie]

No surprise that Joao Sousa is the big mover of the week, after his win in Kuala Lumpur: up 26 places to #51, a career high. He's 24. Also, David Goffin fell 22 places to #91.

 

[Front242]

Also, David Goffin fell 22 places to #91.

Great Scott! Marty McFly needs to hop back in that time machine to when he was actually playing well. Showed such promise last year.

 

[Moxie]

Also, David Goffin fell 22 places to #91.

Great Scott! Marty McFly needs to hop back in that time machine to when he was actually playing well. Showed such promise last year.

Well OK, I know no one is looking at Goffin to light up the world, or Sousa, for that matter, (though he played very well to win that title.) But this thread is about the rankings, and supposed to be more about the big movers amongst the also-rans, especially. I don't know if a downward move was the original intention, but I noticed it. :snigger

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

having this as a sticky for rankings info maybe ????

be more of a neutral option for non-nadal fans, (believe it or not their are one of two of them)

 

[Denis]

This is the part of the season where I find the singles race to london very useful. You can see who is doing well/bad up to this point.

Tipsarevic is no 29 in that ranking so far. Seems like he has come back down to earth. Also the gap between Ferrer and Del Potro is getting very small.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

del potro has a chance to finish world no4 rank ahead of murray by end of season,

del potro is not defending his Vienna title and has 500pts in defending his basel title the week after..but with andy losing a lot of points that scenario could play out..stay tuned in folks.

 

[Denis]

del potro has a chance to finish world no4 rank ahead of murray by end of season,

del potro is not defending his Vienna title and has 500pts in defending his basel title the week after..but with andy losing a lot of points that scenario could play out..stay tuned in folks.

I really doubt that. He'll need to find 1500 points in three tournaments with Nadal, Djokovic competing in two of them and the Fedster competing in all three. Plus, Ferrer would need to overtake Murray too which will require Ferrer to find 800 points in the coming three events. Could happen of course, but the two combined I dont know.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

del potro has a chance to finish world no4 rank ahead of murray by end of season,

del potro is not defending his Vienna title and has 500pts in defending his basel title the week after..but with andy losing a lot of points that scenario could play out..stay tuned in folks.

I really doubt that. He'll need to find 1500 points in three tournaments with Nadal, Djokovic competing in two of them and the Fedster competing in all three. Plus, Ferrer would need to overtake Murray too which will require Ferrer to find 800 points in the coming three events. Could happen of course, but the two combined I dont know.

eh..:huh:, you need to look again at the dead hard sums,

murrays end of year total will be 5'800 approx, that's less than 300 more than del potro now, jmdp has 500pts to defend at basle, not much at paris and 6oo in wtf..he is capapble of finishing 4th.

paris is up in the air as no one knows who really wants to be there, and the wtf is somewhere he will feel he can win.

 

[shawnbm]

Does anyone know if Rafa is safe in securing number one for the year or is there a theoretical way in which Nole could still take it?

 

[Kieran]

Does anyone know if Rafa is safe in securing number one for the year or is there a theoretical way in which Nole could still take it?

Not just theoretical, but practical. As things are now, Rafa is 11,670 for the year, and Novak is 9,610. Novak plays both Paris and the WTF, and also the Davis Cup final (potential 225 points there, I think).

So Novak can max out at 12,335, meaning Rafa needs about 700 points from Basle, Paris and the WTF to secure the year end #1...

 

[Denis]

del potro has a chance to finish world no4 rank ahead of murray by end of season,

del potro is not defending his Vienna title and has 500pts in defending his basel title the week after..but with andy losing a lot of points that scenario could play out..stay tuned in folks.

I really doubt that. He'll need to find 1500 points in three tournaments with Nadal, Djokovic competing in two of them and the Fedster competing in all three. Plus, Ferrer would need to overtake Murray too which will require Ferrer to find 800 points in the coming three events. Could happen of course, but the two combined I dont know.

eh..:huh:, you need to look again at the dead hard sums,

murrays end of year total will be 5'800 approx, that's less than 300 more than del potro now, jmdp has 500pts to defend at basle, not much at paris and 6oo in wtf..he is capapble of finishing 4th.

paris is up in the air as no one knows who really wants to be there, and the wtf is somewhere he will feel he can win.

No. You need to look again at the dead hard sums.

Murray has 5805 points this year.

Del Potro has 4420 points so far this year. That is a gap of 1385 points, which is considerable considering the fact that Nole and Nadal will be playing the events he will enter and there is only a max of 3000 points left for him (if he wins it all, which is highly unlikely). DP can do it, yes, but I really doubt it.

 

[Denis]

Plus Ferrer would need to get an additional 815 points. Only if those scenario's unfold together (DP getting more than 1385 points and Ferrer getting more than 815 points) in the three last tournaments of the year will it happen.

 

[herios]

del potro has a chance to finish world no4 rank ahead of murray by end of season,

del potro is not defending his Vienna title and has 500pts in defending his basel title the week after..but with andy losing a lot of points that scenario could play out..stay tuned in folks.

I really doubt that. He'll need to find 1500 points in three tournaments with Nadal, Djokovic competing in two of them and the Fedster competing in all three. Plus, Ferrer would need to overtake Murray too which will require Ferrer to find 800 points in the coming three events. Could happen of course, but the two combined I dont know.

eh..:huh:, you need to look again at the dead hard sums,

murrays end of year total will be 5'800 approx, that's less than 300 more than del potro now, jmdp has 500pts to defend at basle, not much at paris and 6oo in wtf..he is capapble of finishing 4th.

paris is up in the air as no one knows who really wants to be there, and the wtf is somewhere he will feel he can win.

No. You need to look again at the dead hard sums.

Murray has 5805 points this year.

Del Potro has 4420 points so far this year. That is a gap of 1385 points, which is considerable considering the fact that Nole and Nadal will be playing the events he will enter and there is only a max of 3000 points left for him (if he wins it all, which is highly unlikely). DP can do it, yes, but I really doubt it.

Nole does not play in Basel, only Nadal. Del Potro will be seeded 2 there.

 

[herios]

Plus Ferrer would need to get an additional 815 points. Only if those scenario's unfold together (DP getting more than 1385 points and Ferrer getting more than 815 points) in the three last tournaments of the year will it happen.

Ferrer plays also Stockholm, so he has 4 events left to rack up points.

 

[Denis]

thanks for the info herios. Can Ferrer get any points from Stockholm though? He already played the max of tournaments permitted no? only if he wins can he replace his Oeiras results with an additional 100 points.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

del potro has a chance to finish world no4 rank ahead of murray by end of season,

del potro is not defending his Vienna title and has 500pts in defending his basel title the week after..but with andy losing a lot of points that scenario could play out..stay tuned in folks.

I really doubt that. He'll need to find 1500 points in three tournaments with Nadal, Djokovic competing in two of them and the Fedster competing in all three. Plus, Ferrer would need to overtake Murray too which will require Ferrer to find 800 points in the coming three events. Could happen of course, but the two combined I dont know.

eh..:huh:, you need to look again at the dead hard sums,

murrays end of year total will be 5'800 approx, that's less than 300 more than del potro now, jmdp has 500pts to defend at basle, not much at paris and 6oo in wtf..he is capapble of finishing 4th.

paris is up in the air as no one knows who really wants to be there, and the wtf is somewhere he will feel he can win.

No. You need to look again at the dead hard sums.

Murray has 5805 points this year.

Del Potro has 4420 points so far this year. That is a gap of 1385 points, which is considerable considering the fact that Nole and Nadal will be playing the events he will enter and there is only a max of 3000 points left for him (if he wins it all, which is highly unlikely). DP can do it, yes, but I really doubt it.

You have got the dead hard sums wrong..

it is well within del potro's reach to finish world no4 rank.