The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[Kirijax]

Nadal come clay,will amass many points i'm sure,it would be a shock if he never did on his best surface.

The problem is that he has a boatload of points to defend during the clay season while Murray has hardly any at all.

 

[herios]

With today's victory, Kei is back in the top 4, Rafa is out.
For MC will not matter, because Andy and Kei will not play.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

With today's victory, Kei is back in the top 4, Rafa is out.
For MC will not matter, because Andy and Kei will not play.

It would not matter for Barcelona as well as many top players will not be playing there.
Rafa can right the ship and get back on top top 4 by winning MC and/or Barcelona,
especially as he flamed out early in both of these tourneys last year. That would ensure
a top 4 seeding for him at Madrid and Rome.

Will he do that is a totally different question.

 

[herios]

New career high this week:

31. Adrian Mannarino 26y
34. Nick Kyrgios 19y
55. Borna Coric 18y
68. Tim Smyczek 27y
69. Joao Souza 26y
82. James Duckworth 23y
86. Filip Krajinovic 23y

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Let's look at Monte Carlo then... Those defending big points:

Wawrinka (defending 1000 points) - Even if Stan was to lose in the first round, he has enough of a buffer to Cilic behind him to stay at #9 in the rankings. A bigger worry is whether he can get back into a top 8 seeding for the French Open. It is only a small difference but getting the protection of a top 8 seeding is always desirable in the slams. Under the current rankings, the 8th seed could be seeded to face Lopez in the last 16 while the 9th seed could be faced with Nadal.

Federer (defending 600 points) - As Roger is over 4000 points behind Nole and over 3000 points ahead of Murray, it is almost impossible for him to go to Roland Garros as anything other than second seed, especially as he is defending next to nothing in Madrid and Rome. If we look as far forward as Wimbledon, this is likely to remain the case as he isn't defending much at the French Open and the most likely champions at Roland Garros are Djokovic who is already out in front, and Nadal, who by doing so would only retain 2000 points, rather than gaining any ground.

Djokovic (defending 360 points) - These points are peanuts to Nole with his big lead at the top of the rankings. He will be the top seed at Roland Garros and only an unprecedented Federer clay rampage can change this for Wimbledon.

Ferrer (defending 360 points) - It would take a big tournament for David to move up from 7th in the rankings, while he is vulnerable to Berdych behind him. As Stan can't gain any points though, Ferrer will remain in the 5-8 ranking bracket after this week.

Some notes on others:
Murray did not play this tournament last year so doesn't stand to lose any ranking points. It is the same case for Kei Nishikori. These guys may have their ranking affected if others gain points though. Nadal is first in line and if he wins his umpteenth Monte Carlo title, he would sneak ahead of Murray into #3 in the rankings by a whopping 15 points (by my calculations). A semi-final run is enough for Rafa to usurp Kei's 4th place in the rankings.

 

[tented]

New career high this week:

31. Adrian Mannarino 26y
34. Nick Kyrgios 19y
55. Borna Coric 18y
68. Tim Smyczek 27y
69. Joao Souza 26y
82. James Duckworth 23y
86. Filip Krajinovic 23y

Thanks, herios.

Here are the new rankings for Monday, April 6, 2015:

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/mens-world-tennis-rankings/

 

[Puppet Master]

I think the excitement over the year end number one was killed when Djokovic won AO this year. But hey, everything else is up for debate ( in no way am I a Djoker fan proclaiming his dominance but it is what it is no?). I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day...

 

[tented]

New rankings for Monday, April 13, 2015:

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/mens-world-tennis-rankings/

 

[the AntiPusher]

I think the excitement over the year end number one was killed when Djokovic won AO this year. But hey, everything else is up for debate ( in no way am I a Djoker fan proclaiming his dominance but it is what it is no?). I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day...

I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day

Nah, Actually its up to Rafa to be the one who can begin to detour Djoker from supreme dominance. It will begin during the clay season at MC thru RG.. take SW19 from his 2015 trophy case and later the hard courts of the US. Just as Uncle Toni perfectly architected Rafa's game to dethrone your so called Swiss maestro, its time to take the fight to the greatest ball striker of today's game, imo.. Djoker. This will be harder because Novak really doesn't have any true weaknesses and with winning titles. PAIN is Rafa's additional reward. It will probably shorten Rafa's career but he has no choice. Just as he did in the 2013 US final, he has to break Novak's will. its the only way.

 

[nehmeth]

I think the excitement over the year end number one was killed when Djokovic won AO this year. But hey, everything else is up for debate ( in no way am I a Djoker fan proclaiming his dominance but it is what it is no?). I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day...

I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day

Nah, Actually its up to Rafa to be the one who can begin to detour Djoker from supreme dominance. It will begin during the clay season at MC thru RG.. take SW19 from his 2015 trophy case and later the hard courts of the US. Just as Uncle Toni perfectly architected Rafa's game to dethrone your so called Swiss maestro, its time to take the fight to the greatest ball striker of today's game, imo.. Djoker. This will be harder because Novak really doesn't have any true weaknesses and with winning titles. PAIN is Rafa's additional reward. It will probably shorten Rafa's career but he has no choice. Just as he did in the 2013 US final, he has to break Novak's will. its the only way.

Rafa already made the adjustments in his game to start back on the winning end against Novak once before. As long as Rafa still has his mobility, his confidence will come back. The European clay season moves into full swing this week, and he has reigned supreme here for a loooong time.

 

[Kieran]

I think the excitement over the year end number one was killed when Djokovic won AO this year.

Yeah, kinda like it was in 2013 and 2014...

 

[Puppet Master]

I think the excitement over the year end number one was killed when Djokovic won AO this year. But hey, everything else is up for debate ( in no way am I a Djoker fan proclaiming his dominance but it is what it is no?). I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day...

I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day

Nah, Actually its up to Rafa to be the one who can begin to detour Djoker from supreme dominance. It will begin during the clay season at MC thru RG.. take SW19 from his 2015 trophy case and later the hard courts of the US. Just as Uncle Toni perfectly architected Rafa's game to dethrone your so called Swiss maestro, its time to take the fight to the greatest ball striker of today's game, imo.. Djoker. This will be harder because Novak really doesn't have any true weaknesses and with winning titles. PAIN is Rafa's additional reward. It will probably shorten Rafa's career but he has no choice. Just as he did in the 2013 US final, he has to break Novak's will. its the only way.

Believe me, I want Rafa to start wining, probably as much as you do, if not even more, but the guy has done nothing but make me angry during the last few months and if he plays like he did in Miami this year, I really am afraid what would happen to him in the semi final against a certain someone. At this point, I would rather bet my money on Fed to do the job. I probably never talked about this but regarding my favourite player, I am somewhat split between Roger and Rafa, and I know it's controversial, but it is what it is.

 

[Federberg]

I think the excitement over the year end number one was killed when Djokovic won AO this year. But hey, everything else is up for debate ( in no way am I a Djoker fan proclaiming his dominance but it is what it is no?). I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day...

I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day

Nah, Actually its up to Rafa to be the one who can begin to detour Djoker from supreme dominance. It will begin during the clay season at MC thru RG.. take SW19 from his 2015 trophy case and later the hard courts of the US. Just as Uncle Toni perfectly architected Rafa's game to dethrone your so called Swiss maestro, its time to take the fight to the greatest ball striker of today's game, imo.. Djoker. This will be harder because Novak really doesn't have any true weaknesses and with winning titles. PAIN is Rafa's additional reward. It will probably shorten Rafa's career but he has no choice. Just as he did in the 2013 US final, he has to break Novak's will. its the only way.

Believe me, I want Rafa to start wining, probably as much as you do, if not even more, but the guy has done nothing but make me angry during the last few months and if he plays like he did in Miami this year, I really am afraid what would happen to him in the semi final against a certain someone. At this point, I would rather bet my money on Fed to do the job. I probably never talked about this but regarding my favourite player, I am somewhat split between Roger and Rafa, and I know it's controversial, but it is what it is.

In my book, there is absolutely nothing wrong with liking both players. Some folks get religious about it, but that's their problem!

 

[DarthFed]

I think the excitement over the year end number one was killed when Djokovic won AO this year. But hey, everything else is up for debate ( in no way am I a Djoker fan proclaiming his dominance but it is what it is no?). I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day...

I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day

Nah, Actually its up to Rafa to be the one who can begin to detour Djoker from supreme dominance. It will begin during the clay season at MC thru RG.. take SW19 from his 2015 trophy case and later the hard courts of the US. Just as Uncle Toni perfectly architected Rafa's game to dethrone your so called Swiss maestro, its time to take the fight to the greatest ball striker of today's game, imo.. Djoker. This will be harder because Novak really doesn't have any true weaknesses and with winning titles. PAIN is Rafa's additional reward. It will probably shorten Rafa's career but he has no choice. Just as he did in the 2013 US final, he has to break Novak's will. its the only way.

On the flip side, it's up to Nole to have a truly great season for the first time since 2011. And now is the perfect time to solidify himself as a potential legend and win RG for the first time. And it's long time for Rafa to be buried. One slamless season will hopefully be enough to do it. It's hard to recover from that as Roger has found out (slamless in 2011 and has barely done anything since).

 

[Carol]

I would say that the word "dominance" is very relative or better saying debatable depending the circunstances and how the others opponents are playing. Wel'll see how the season goes before to make predictions about the future. Sometimes things change in one day, rankings too

 

[Puppet Master]

I think the excitement over the year end number one was killed when Djokovic won AO this year. But hey, everything else is up for debate ( in no way am I a Djoker fan proclaiming his dominance but it is what it is no?). I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day...

I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day

Nah, Actually its up to Rafa to be the one who can begin to detour Djoker from supreme dominance. It will begin during the clay season at MC thru RG.. take SW19 from his 2015 trophy case and later the hard courts of the US. Just as Uncle Toni perfectly architected Rafa's game to dethrone your so called Swiss maestro, its time to take the fight to the greatest ball striker of today's game, imo.. Djoker. This will be harder because Novak really doesn't have any true weaknesses and with winning titles. PAIN is Rafa's additional reward. It will probably shorten Rafa's career but he has no choice. Just as he did in the 2013 US final, he has to break Novak's will. its the only way.

On the flip side, it's up to Nole to have a truly great season for the first time since 2011. And now is the perfect time to solidify himself as a potential legend and win RG for the first time. And it's long time for Rafa to be buried. One slamless season will hopefully be enough to do it. It's hard to recover from that as Roger has found out (slamless in 2011 and has barely done anything since).

I have really seen some strange posts from you DarthFed, you despise the bull of Manacor (I say despise since I really don't have enough words for it), but you aren't supporting Roger that much now, like he disappointed you big time. I don't blame you, but who could stay mad at Fedex right? :snicker

 

[DarthFed]

^ Not mad at Roger, he is old, and this is the norm. Since the end of 2010 he has won 1 slam, 1 YEC, and 6 MS events. For 4+ seasons for Roger that is a huge fall off compared to what he was doing before, even if those accomplishments in that time are enough for a Hall of Fame career. And if Rafa finally fails to win a slam this season, I'd expect a similar fall off for the rest of his career, hopefully worse.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I think the excitement over the year end number one was killed when Djokovic won AO this year. But hey, everything else is up for debate ( in no way am I a Djoker fan proclaiming his dominance but it is what it is no?). I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day...

I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day

Nah, Actually its up to Rafa to be the one who can begin to detour Djoker from supreme dominance. It will begin during the clay season at MC thru RG.. take SW19 from his 2015 trophy case and later the hard courts of the US. Just as Uncle Toni perfectly architected Rafa's game to dethrone your so called Swiss maestro, its time to take the fight to the greatest ball striker of today's game, imo.. Djoker. This will be harder because Novak really doesn't have any true weaknesses and with winning titles. PAIN is Rafa's additional reward. It will probably shorten Rafa's career but he has no choice. Just as he did in the 2013 US final, he has to break Novak's will. its the only way.

Believe me, I want Rafa to start wining, probably as much as you do, if not even more, but the guy has done nothing but make me angry during the last few months and if he plays like he did in Miami this year, I really am afraid what would happen to him in the semi final against a certain someone. At this point, I would rather bet my money on Fed to do the job. I probably never talked about this but regarding my favourite player, I am somewhat split between Roger and Rafa, and I know it's controversial, but it is what it is.

Nothing would happen to him in the semifinal as quite possibly he would not be in there.
He needs to get past Thiem, Isner and Little Beast to go there.

 

[Carol]

^ Not mad at Roger, he is old, and this is the norm. Since the end of 2010 he has won 1 slam, 1 YEC, and 6 MS events. For 4+ seasons for Roger that is a huge fall off compared to what he was doing before, even if those accomplishments in that time are enough for a Hall of Fame career. And if Rafa finally fails to win a slam this season, I'd expect a similar fall off for the rest of his career, hopefully worse.

The sorrow of many is a fool's consolation? remember that Rafa is just one year older than Muzz and Novak so three of them are in the same "package" and anyway every player is different. We all know how bad Rafa's confidence has went through after his comeback which is reasonable but it doesn't mean it's for ever, otherwise he would be the first one to take the decision to retired but he has said that he has still a lot of motivation and he knows that he has to improve his game (I would say his mind) and then he will be able to recovery his ranking and wins

 

[Puppet Master]

I guess it's up to the Swiss maestro to save the day

Nah, Actually its up to Rafa to be the one who can begin to detour Djoker from supreme dominance. It will begin during the clay season at MC thru RG.. take SW19 from his 2015 trophy case and later the hard courts of the US. Just as Uncle Toni perfectly architected Rafa's game to dethrone your so called Swiss maestro, its time to take the fight to the greatest ball striker of today's game, imo.. Djoker. This will be harder because Novak really doesn't have any true weaknesses and with winning titles. PAIN is Rafa's additional reward. It will probably shorten Rafa's career but he has no choice. Just as he did in the 2013 US final, he has to break Novak's will. its the only way.

Believe me, I want Rafa to start wining, probably as much as you do, if not even more, but the guy has done nothing but make me angry during the last few months and if he plays like he did in Miami this year, I really am afraid what would happen to him in the semi final against a certain someone. At this point, I would rather bet my money on Fed to do the job. I probably never talked about this but regarding my favourite player, I am somewhat split between Roger and Rafa, and I know it's controversial, but it is what it is.

Nothing would happen to him in the semifinal as quite possibly he would not be in there.
He needs to get past Thiem, Isner and Little Beast to go there.

An early exit here, where he has 8 titles, I surely don't need to spell out what that would mean, someone should stop him somewhere and ask him: Who are you and what have you done to Rafito?
This would be a message to Djokovic, take it all man, take it and don't look back!