The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[GameSetAndMath]

Hey, GSM, do you know why on live rankings, on Kei's case, next points and total points are equal his current points?

The points earned in the first round of DC in last year has already been dropped for
all players. This is because the first round of DC was played in the week after AO last
year. So, players only have the points earned in other rounds of DC in store.

Kei Nishikori won two singles matches in the 1st round last year and therefore had 80 points
(40 each per each match). But, they have dropped as said before. As Japan lost 0-5
in QF last year, Kei has no DC points on his record at this time. So, Kei will have 80
DC points of showing up in his record after two more days (assuming he wins his second
live rubber). However, these will be "uncountable" as his lowest current points in any
other event is "90" and so if they use his DC points to replace his lowest points, his
total points can only go down.

On the other hand, even though GB lost in the quarterfinals, Murray won one live
rubber in that QF DC of last year. Hence, he has 65 points from that in store. If
Murray wins the second live rubber also, he will get 80 points due to two wins in the
1st round, making his total DC points 145. That is actually larger than the "90" he
has from the lowest points obtained in an event. So, it will replace that "90"
making Murray's points go up by 55 points. Note that the QF 65 points earned
last year by Murray will not drop now and they will drop only after the week
in which DC QF of this year is scheduled (which is the week after Wimbledon).

So, the net result is that even if both Murray and Kei win their second live rubber,
Murray's total will go up by 55 points whereas Kei's total will remain the same. As
Kei was leading Murray by exactly 45 points when this week started, that would
make Murray #4 (as he would lead Kei by 10 points), if Murray wins the second
rubber against Big John.

The important thing is that it does not even matter whether Kei wins or loses his
second rubber. Murray's body parts have complete control over his seeding at IW.
If Murray wins second live rubber against John, he becomes #4 seed and otherwise,
he becomes #5 seed. It is as simple as that.

Big John would be fired up too as he already lost to James Ward. Andy will
be fired up due to multiple reasons, including the tie being in his back yard
(not just somewhere in UK), not to mention the chances of going up to #4.

p.s. I should get a life. :snicker

 

[Fiero425]

Hard to believe there's little commentary during this 1st Rd of DC! Is it depression and disappointment in their team? Heaven knows we're upset here in The States! Isner's such a disappointment with so much ability, but rarely really utilizes it until it's too late in the crunch! People were so impressed by his 5 set Wimbledon marathon vs Mahut a few years ago, but that's how most of his matches go; to the limit unnecessarily! His opponent isn't even in the top 100! Today's players seem to be so afraid of coming to the net, I just want to throw a brick at the tv sometimes! It's pathetic that women have been like that for years, but the men are little better! They can be halfway "in," with a floater coming at them and even the best of these clowns back up to make a ground stroke! That's why John lost IMO; playing too passively when he had chances to close out his match in "straights!" The same goes on with the Bryan Brothers; allowing absolute nobodies to take them to the brink and I just can't watch it too long! I turn away a lot! ;-(

 

[mrzz]

Thanks, GSM!!! Although I just came home, have some good whisky on my head and could not follow your reasoning after 13th line, in fact the 3rd, in fact after the third word. But if you got it, I believe you, then it is fine with me (I'll give it another try tomorrow).

In fact I don't believe you at all. It's all a big conspiracy to keep Nishikori out of the top four. That damn spaniard is paying the programmers at ATP to keep Nishikori down. I know, I can prove it, but I won't.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Murray clinched #4 spot.:clap

 

[tented]

New rankings for Monday, March 9, 2015:

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/mens-world-tennis-rankings/

 

[Federberg]

Hard to believe there's little commentary during this 1st Rd of DC! Is it depression and disappointment in their team? Heaven knows we're upset here in The States! Isner's such a disappointment with so much ability, but rarely really utilizes it until it's too late in the crunch! People were so impressed by his 5 set Wimbledon marathon vs Mahut a few years ago, but that's how most of his matches go; to the limit unnecessarily! His opponent isn't even in the top 100! Today's players seem to be so afraid of coming to the net, I just want to throw a brick at the tv sometimes! It's pathetic that women have been like that for years, but the men are little better! They can be halfway "in," with a floater coming at them and even the best of these clowns back up to make a ground stroke! That's why John lost IMO; playing too passively when he had chances to close out his match in "straights!" The same goes on with the Bryan Brothers; allowing absolute nobodies to take them to the brink and I just can't watch it too long! I turn away a lot! ;-(

Close out his match in straights? I'm assuming you're talking about his battle with Ward? Surely not against Murray?

 

[Carol]

Like I said a few days ego Kei as #4 wouldn't last too long if Muzz plays well

 

[herios]

Like I said a few days ego Kei as #4 wouldn't last too long if Muzz plays well

It did not really matter how they played, Kei also won 2 matches and he got no points for them, as we saw. I am sure Kei will revisit the top 4 very soon.

 

[herios]

New career highs as of March 9:

60. Borna Coric 18y
72. Joao Souza 26y

 

[Kirijax]

Like I said a few days ego Kei as #4 wouldn't last too long if Muzz plays well

:lolz:

 

[Carol]

Like I said a few days ego Kei as #4 wouldn't last too long if Muzz plays well

:lolz:

Look the result and the ranking.......:snicker:chillout:

 

[mrzz]

Well, look at the live rankings, then. Nishikori is (will) be back to #4. Your prediction did not last long too.

Looking at the 5 weeks projection, it will be a race to the flag between Nadal, Murray and Nishikori for #3 and #4 ranking positions in Indian Wells and Miami (with its obvious implications for the clay season). Someone has to have a crystal ball to be sure about who's gonna come out on top of that. I wouldn't not be surprised by any result.

 

[Carol]

Well, look at the live rankings, then. Nishikori is (will) be back to #4. Your prediction did not last long too.

Looking at the 5 weeks projection, it will be a race to the flag between Nadal, Murray and Nishikori for #3 and #4 ranking positions in Indian Wells and Miami (with its obvious implications for the clay season). Someone has to have a crystal ball to be sure about who's gonna come out on top of that. I wouldn't not be surprised by any result.

We'll see what is going to happen but you should include the #2 too

 

[mrzz]

In general, we should include everyone, but the point is that #3,#4 and #5 are very close to each other, so it is basically a straight fight. #2 is a few thousand points above, so his spot is safe (for a month).

The good thing is that it will be fun to see those guys battling it out on court.

 

[Carol]

Yep, we should include everyone because looking year by year we have seen many changes in the ranking it doesn't matter the points between them. And of course in one month the number could change but I rather to wait and to see a liitle more far, close to end of the year.

I hope to see healthy players which is the best to be able to watch better game and competition, when all of them are playing the tournaments are a lot more interesting and this sport get more followers

 

[auto-pilot]

I wonder if Djokovic/Federer will ever have an injury (apart from the back injuries which they play with).
They are indestructible.

 

[Fiero425]

I wonder if Djokovic/Federer will ever have an injury (apart from the back injuries which they play with).
They are indestructible.

They are so much tougher than Nadal and Murray; no extended absences! :clap :angel: :dodgy:

 

[auto-pilot]

I wonder if Djokovic/Federer will ever have an injury (apart from the back injuries which they play with).
They are indestructible.

They are so much tougher than Nadal and Murray; no extended absences! :clap :angel: :dodgy:

I agree they are the greatest physical specimens of all-time.
Nadal is more of a shot-maker.
That 6 hour AO final taught Nadal a lesson - beat Djokovic in 4 sets (3 of their next 4 slam meetings were 4-setters, and the 5-setter at 2013 RG was won by 22 winners Nadal hit in 5th set).

 

[herios]

I wonder if Djokovic/Federer will ever have an injury (apart from the back injuries which they play with).
They are indestructible.

They are so much tougher than Nadal and Murray; no extended absences! :clap :angel: :dodgy:

Working on his flexibility rather than building up muscle mass paid off for Nole in his career, for sure.
He is not in weight lifting after all

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I wonder if Djokovic/Federer will ever have an injury (apart from the back injuries which they play with).
They are indestructible.

They are so much tougher than Nadal and Murray; no extended absences! :clap :angel: :dodgy:

I agree they are the greatest physical specimens of all-time.
Nadal is more of a shot-maker.
That 6 hour AO final taught Nadal a lesson - beat Djokovic in 4 sets (3 of their next 4 slam meetings were 4-setters, and the 5-setter at 2013 RG was won by 22 winners Nadal hit in 5th set).

Paging Mr. Cali.