The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[isabelle]

Simon back in top 20

 

[herios]

Murray said: “My schedule was going to be dictated more how I felt and what I wanted from the end of the year rather than just trying to play to get into the Tour Finals, because I don’t think that’s necessarily the right way to go about it." :snigger

He is overshadowing even Ferrer with his kamikaze schedule, 6 events in a row!:laydownlaughing
If he feels this good, perhaps he should play next year every week!

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Murray said: “My schedule was going to be dictated more how I felt and what I wanted from the end of the year rather than just trying to play to get into the Tour Finals, because I don’t think that’s necessarily the right way to go about it." :snigger

He is overshadowing even Ferrer with his kamikaze schedule, 6 events in a row!:laydownlaughing
If he feels this good, perhaps he should play next year every week!

See Ferrer's honest statement below in contrast to Murray's statement above.

“Of course it is my goal,” said Ferrer, who reached No. 3 in 2013. “I am fighting for the [World Tour Finals in] London. It's important for me. We don't have too many tournaments. We have only three tournaments more to be in London.”

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

13.10.2014...career high.

122. borna coric. 17yrs 11m.

 

[Iona16]

Murray said: “My schedule was going to be dictated more how I felt and what I wanted from the end of the year rather than just trying to play to get into the Tour Finals, because I don’t think that’s necessarily the right way to go about it." :snigger

What exactly is wrong with what he said? He was clearly talking about his back. If he didn't feel right then he wasn't going to risk his back and next season just to reach the O2. He obviously feels his body is coping and now sees the WTF as a goal.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Murray said: “My schedule was going to be dictated more how I felt and what I wanted from the end of the year rather than just trying to play to get into the Tour Finals, because I don’t think that’s necessarily the right way to go about it." :snigger

What exactly is wrong with what he said? He was clearly talking about his back. If he didn't feel right then he wasn't going to risk his back and next season just to reach the O2. He obviously feels his body is coping and now sees the WTF as a goal.

The above statement was made by Murray not few days ago, but in Shenzhen. He did announce
that he is 100% physically fit going into the USO and he did not get injured during the USO either.
After the USO, he had two weeks of spare time and then he played in Shenzhen and making the
above statement.

Come on!

When your forutunes are down, there is nothing wrong in playing in itsy, bitsy tourneys
in an effort to get qualified (as I said clearly in the "Murray Complaining Thread"). However,
IMO he is being dishonest about admitting that making him look hypocritical. Other Murray
fans have already acknowledged that as well. Let us not be fan-blind here.

 

[herios]

Career highs for the following players in the top 100 as of 13 Oct:
8. Marin Cilic 26y
14. Feliciano Lopez 33y
33. Pablo Cuevas 28y
41. Steve Johnson 24y
51. Jack Sock 22y
88. Sam Groth 26y
96. Filip Krajinovic 22y


From the 22y old Sock and Krajinovic, to 33y old Lopez all spectrum of players scored career high this week.
Marin Cilic for the first time in the top 8. He will probably be seeded in the top 8 at the AO, where he had his first SF way back in 2010.

 

[Front242]

Wasn't aware Lopez had gone up to 14. Very impressive.

 

[El Dude]

It definitely seems like there are more younger players in the top 100 then in the last few years. From what I can tell, here are players age 24 and younger:

6: Nishikori (24)
9. Raonic (23)
10. Dimitrov (23)
28. Goffin (24)
38. Thiem (21)
41. S Johnson (24)
44. Pospisil (24)
51. Sock (22)
55. Kyrgios (19)
63. Delbonis (24)
64. Carreno Busta (23)
71. Vesely (21)
76. Tomic (22)
85. Kuznetsov (23)
89. Schwartzman (22)
91. Rola (24)
96. Krajinovic (22)

I do think that is more "youngish" players than in the last couple years, but it is worth nothing that there is only one teenager and only three players that fit the historical definition of "young" (age 21 and younger).

I know its not top 100, but its worth noting that there are some truly young pups that, I believe, have their highest rankings ever:

122. Borna Coric (17)
136. Alexander Zverev (17)
159. Thanasi Kokkinakis (18)

I don't have much of a read on Kokkinakis, but I have high hopes for Coric and Zverev, although they're both probably a couple years away from making significant noise.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Viktor Troiki is currently ranked 106. He needs to improve his ranking by just two spots
to guarantee an entry in the AO main draw. He could not get a spot in the qualifying of
Basel or Valencia or Bercy. I hope he could play in some challenger/future events and
get his ranking up in the next couple of weeks. It is doable, but I don't know his schedule.

 

[tented]

Rankings for Monday, October 20, 2014:

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/mens-world-tennis-rankings/

 

[masterclass]

^
I think when he'll actually do the math he'll think different. Put, say, 500 points in his bag for Basel and DC combined (which is nothing absurd, and those are points Djokovic cannot respond to), and the difference between them goes down to 490. This makes a race to the flag between the two at Bercy and YEC (as opposed to being "in Novak's racquet").

It's even closer than that if he wins Basel and Swiss win DC with two live wins for Federer..

9010 - Djokovic pre-Paris
-150 - 2013 DC Final points drop after 2014 DC Final no matter what.
-----
8860 for calculation purposes is really what Nole has to work with.

8020 - Federer - pre Basel - what Roger has to work with.
+500 Basel title
+225 DC 2 live wins + bonus.
-----
8745

8860-8745= 115 points.

So Federer would need only 120 points more than Djokovic in Paris + London in that scenario.

Respectfully,
masterclass

 

[GameSetAndMath]

^
I think when he'll actually do the math he'll think different. Put, say, 500 points in his bag for Basel and DC combined (which is nothing absurd, and those are points Djokovic cannot respond to), and the difference between them goes down to 490. This makes a race to the flag between the two at Bercy and YEC (as opposed to being "in Novak's racquet").

It's even closer than that if he wins Basel and Swiss win DC with two live wins for Federer..

9010 - Djokovic pre-Paris
-150 - 2013 DC Final points drop after 2014 DC Final no matter what.
-----
8860 for calculation purposes is really what Nole has to work with.

8020 - Federer - pre Basel - what Roger has to work with.
+500 Basel title
+225 DC 2 live wins + bonus.
-----
8745

8860-8745= 115 points.

So Federer would need only 120 points more than Djokovic in Paris + London in that scenario.

Respectfully,
masterclass

You are doublecounting here. The 150 points that drops off is only part of Novak's ranking
points and not race points. So, even if Fed wins Basel and wins DC by winning two live rubbers,
he would need to outperform Novak by 270 point in Paris + London.

 

[masterclass]

^
I think when he'll actually do the math he'll think different. Put, say, 500 points in his bag for Basel and DC combined (which is nothing absurd, and those are points Djokovic cannot respond to), and the difference between them goes down to 490. This makes a race to the flag between the two at Bercy and YEC (as opposed to being "in Novak's racquet").

It's even closer than that if he wins Basel and Swiss win DC with two live wins for Federer..

9010 - Djokovic pre-Paris
-150 - 2013 DC Final points drop after 2014 DC Final no matter what.
-----
8860 for calculation purposes is really what Nole has to work with.

8020 - Federer - pre Basel - what Roger has to work with.
+500 Basel title
+225 DC 2 live wins + bonus.
-----
8745

8860-8745= 115 points.

So Federer would need only 120 points more than Djokovic in Paris + London in that scenario.

Respectfully,
masterclass

You are doublecounting here. The 150 points that drops off is only part of Novak's ranking
points and not race points. So, even if Fed wins Basel and wins DC by winning two live rubbers,
he would need to outperform Novak by 270 point in Paris + London.

No, previous year's DC Finals points are always part of following year's race points, as well as regular ranking points (until they drop off). Check it...(Right click on image and view it to make it bigger)

Respectfully,
masterclass

 

[mrzz]

^I'm afraid there's some confusion, masterclass. It would not make sense to include last year's finals points in the race, and, as you can see in your own images, it is in fact not included.

In the same page, if you change the box back to "ATP rankings", you'll see ATP final's points appear in the top of the list, which you can't now.

 

[masterclass]

Of course the race to London officially ends prior to the World Tour Finals, but we can use the race points to conveniently calculate the Year End points.

2014 Race Points prior to 2014 WTF + 2014 WTF points - 2013 Davis Cup Finals points (if any) + 2014 Davis Cup Finals points (if any) = Year End points. The 2014 Davis Cup Finals points earned apply toward the 2015 Race points (which we are not concerned with here) as well as the 2014 Year End points.

Respectfully,
masterclass

 

[masterclass]

^I'm afraid there's some confusion, masterclass. It would not make sense to include last year's finals points in the race, and, as you can see in your own images, it is in fact not included.

In the same page, if you change the box back to "ATP rankings", you'll see ATP final's points appear in the top of the list, which you can't now.

I see them. They are right on the bottom of Djokovic's race rankings. Don't be confused by the date.
Those 150 points were earned in 2013 finals, they are simply carried forward to the most recent DC date (totaled).

Respectfully,
masterclass

 

[mrzz]

Really? It does not appear to me. It makes so little sense to me that I can only imagine it is some java bug...

 

[masterclass]

No bug.

Look at the rankings faq on the atpworldtour site under question:

Q. What is the Emirates ATP Rankings Race To London?

The Emirates ATP Rankings Race To London include points earned in 2014 plus points earned at the 2013 Davis Cup final and late-season 2013 Challengers and Futures played after the 2013 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals.

The reasoning for that is simple. The Race to London ENDS before the World Tour Finals.
Since Davis Cup Finals points are (at least for now) after the WTF, they must go toward the following year's race. Of course, WTF points are not included for Race purposes, only for regular 52 week rankings.

Respectfully,
masterclass

 

[mrzz]

So, why those points would drop of? I guess they are counted till the end. And, if that's true, 2014 DC finals points most likely won't count, I would guess.