The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[herios]

New career high this week:

19. Karen Khachanov 22y
20. Daniil Medvedev 22y
39. Matthew Ebden 30y
49. Dusan Lajovic 28y
50. Pierre-Hugues Herbert 27y
80. Jozef Kovalik 25y
86. Ilya Ivashka. 24y
92. Ugo Humbert 20y

 

[GameSetAndMath]

With only 16 seeds from next year, Khachanov and Medvedev have a lot of incentive to move up few more notches.

On the flip side, those in the 30-50 range have much less of an incentive to try to get into top 30 (as any way they won't be seeded).

 

[Moxie]

With only 16 seeds from next year, Khachanov and Medvedev have a lot of incentive to move up few more notches.

On the flip side, those in the 30-50 range have much less of an incentive to try to get into top 30 (as any way they won't be seeded).

But do you think that's the main motivation to win matches and tourneys? I would have said money and competitiveness come before that. And pride, I would hope. But I can see if they're on the cusp of 32/34, they might have made an extra push that they otherwise might not now.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

But do you think that's the main motivation to win matches and tourneys? I would have said money and competitiveness come before that. And pride, I would hope. But I can see if they're on the cusp of 32/34, they might have made an extra push that they otherwise might not now.

Pride? :scratch: You have Federer skipping a whole surface to avoid his main rival, there's no pride in tennis! Well with the exception of Nadal, he is full of pride, he even built a huge tennis academy to teach kids tennis and secure the future of our sport.

 

[Moxie]

Pride? :scratch: You have Federer skipping a whole surface to avoid his main rival, there's no pride in tennis! Well with the exception of Nadal, he is full of pride, he even built a huge tennis academy to teach kids tennis and secure the future of our sport.

Do you really have to be that person? (I'm trying not to use the word "twat," but failing, obviously.) Anyway, it's customary to keep the Fedal wars and outrageous fandom off this thread. When I speak of "pride" it is to evoke something that we think might be lacking in some of the lower-ranked players, also including backbone and commitment.

 

[herios]

Do you really have to be that person? (I'm trying not to use the word "twat," but failing, obviously.) Anyway, it's customary to keep the Fedal wars and outrageous fandom off this thread. When I speak of "pride" it is to evoke something that we think might be lacking in some of the lower-ranked players, also including backbone and commitment.

I am sure many of them are trying hard and to their best of abilities, just are not as talented.

 

[Moxie]

I am sure many of them are trying hard and to their best of abilities, just are not as talented.

I agree with not as talented. But we all know that there are a few on the list that don't really try hard enough.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

But do you think that's the main motivation to win matches and tourneys? I would have said money and competitiveness come before that. And pride, I would hope. But I can see if they're on the cusp of 32/34, they might have made an extra push that they otherwise might not now.

Yes, I think so. Money wise, even for lower ranked players, what they make in GSs is much more than in other tourneys. So, they have every reason to vie for a seed at GSs which could potentially make them go deep and make more money at GSs.

 

[Moxie]

Yes, I think so. Money wise, even for lower ranked players, what they make in GSs is much more than in other tourneys. So, they have every reason to vie for a seed at GSs which could potentially make them go deep and make more money at GSs.

Yes, but one thing follows another. You have to work hard and win tournament to tournament to get your ranking up. But weren't you suggesting that going to only 16 seeds would de-incentivise lower-ranked players? I'm only saying that I hope they have more incentive than just that. These guys are professionals. They know what it takes to make them the most money. It's a question of doing it.

 

[herios]

Yes, but one thing follows another. You have to work hard and win tournament to tournament to get your ranking up. But weren't you suggesting that going to only 16 seeds would de-incentivise lower-ranked players? I'm only saying that I hope they have more incentive than just that. These guys are professionals. They know what it takes to make them the most money. It's a question of doing it.

Exactly. Financially it matters what they do week to week on tour. Thevvast majority go 2-3 rounds in the slams, they will not make their living based on thise 4 events alone.

 

[herios]

won his 1st atp match aged 16 same tourney rafa made his 2013 comeback in (vina del mar) If I recall correctly..

maybe he's on slow burn..unlike 18yr old (exactly 19yrs younger than Federer) felix auger allassime. which one into top100 first?.

Garrin, clearly.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Exactly. Financially it matters what they do week to week on tour. Thevvast majority go 2-3 rounds in the slams, they will not make their living based on thise 4 events alone.

You don't get the point. Losing in Wimbledon first round pays more than losing the finals of Atlanta ATP 250. Even the lower ranked players make more at GSs and have every incentive to get entry, to get seeding and to go deep at GSs.

 

[Fiero425]

You don't get the point. Losing in Wimbledon first round pays more than losing the finals of Atlanta ATP 250. Even the lower ranked players make more at GSs and have every incentive to get entry, to get seeding and to go deep at GSs.

Explain that to Sacha who's been clipped early again and again in MAJORS allowing others to collect points and $$ that should be his! :cuckoo:

 

[Moxie]

You don't get the point. Losing in Wimbledon first round pays more than losing the finals of Atlanta ATP 250. Even the lower ranked players make more at GSs and have every incentive to get entry, to get seeding and to go deep at GSs.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Just because they won't be seeded doesn't mean they won't make the main draw, right? The incentive to keep up the ranking doesn't really change, or does it?

 

[Front242]

Explain that to Sacha who's been clipped early again and again in MAJORS allowing others to collect points and $$ that should be his! :cuckoo:

No, the points and money should not be his as he's not good enough to do well at slams as he's proven time and time again.

 

[Front242]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Just because they won't be seeded doesn't mean they won't make the main draw, right? The incentive to keep up the ranking doesn't really change, or does it?

The main issue I believe is they're gonna meet higher ranked players much sooner than before in the earlier rounds which is most likely curtains for them.

They'll still make the main draw but with 16 seeds instead of 32 it's much harder for them as if they were in the 17-32 bracket before they had an easier time in the first few rounds. Now that's gonna be history.

 

[herios]

You don't get the point. Losing in Wimbledon first round pays more than losing the finals of Atlanta ATP 250. Even the lower ranked players make more at GSs and have every incentive to get entry, to get seeding and to go deep at GSs.

Being deeded never was a guarantee to go deep.
You need to look how many deeded always get dismissed ahead of time.

 

[herios]

The main issue I believe is they're gonna meet higher ranked players much sooner than before in the earlier rounds which is most likely curtains for them.

They'll still make the main draw but with 16 seeds instead of 32 it's much harder for them as if they were in the 17-32 bracket before they had an easier time in the first few rounds. Now that's gonna be history.

Those ranked 17-32 in slams were always the most vulnerable anyways in slams.
You make too much fuss about it.

 

[Front242]

Those ranked 17-32 in slams were always the most vulnerable anyways in slams.
You make too much fuss about it.

We can revisit it at the end of the year and compare this year's results versus last year's and see I guess.

 

[britbox]

Current Rankings going into Paris

1 Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7,660
2 Novak Djokovic (SRB) 7,445
3 Roger Federer (SUI) 6,260
4 Juan Martin del Potro (ARG) 5,460
5 Alexander Zverev (GER) 5,115
6 Kevin Anderson (RSA) 4,230
7 Marin Cilic (CRO) 4,050
8 Dominic Thiem (AUT) 3,825
9 John Isner (USA) 3,425
10 Grigor Dimitrov (BUL) 3,335
11 Kei Nishikori (JPN) 3,210
12 David Goffin (BEL) 2,675
13 Borna Coric (CRO) 2,460
14 Fabio Fognini (ITA) 2,315
15 Kyle Edmund (GBR) 2,195
16 Stefanos Tsitsipas (GRE) 2,175
17 Daniil Medvedev (RUS) 1,977
18 Karen Khachanov (RUS) 1,845
19 Diego Schwartzman (ARG) 1,835
20 Marco Cecchinato (ITA) 1,829
21 Milos Raonic (CAN) 1,810
22 Nikoloz Basilashvili (GEO) 1,767
23 Jack Sock (USA) 1,760
24 Pablo Carreno Busta (ESP) 1,705
25 Roberto Bautista Agut (ESP) 1,650
26 Hyeon Chung (KOR) 1,630
27 Fernando Verdasco (ESP) 1,545
28 Richard Gasquet (FRA) 1,535
29 Denis Shapovalov (CAN) 1,440
30 Gael Monfils (FRA) 1,355
31 Gilles Simon (FRA) 1,335
32 Lucas Pouille (FRA) 1,325
33 Alex De Minaur (AUS) 1,308
34 Filip Krajinovic (SRB) 1,235
35 John Millman (AUS) 1,205
36 Steve Johnson (USA) 1,190
37 Andreas Seppi (ITA) 1,135
38 Nick Kyrgios (AUS) 1,125
39 Matthew Ebden (AUS) 1,125
40 Jeremy Chardy (FRA) 1,110
41 Nicolas Jarry (CHI) 1,110
42 Marton Fucsovics (HUN) 1,097
43 Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) 1,080
44 Frances Tiafoe (USA) 1,055
45 Martin Klizan (SVK) 1,048
46 Adrian Mannarino (FRA) 1,045
47 Robin Haase (NED) 1,020
48 Joao Sousa (POR) 1,017
49 Taylor Fritz (USA) 987
50 Dusan Lajovic (SRB) 985
51 Sam Querrey (USA) 965
52 Damir Dzumhur (BIH) 940
53 Matteo Berrettini (ITA) 932
54 Mikhail Kukushkin (KAZ) 930
55 Malek Jaziri (TUN) 923
56 Benoit Paire (FRA) 910
57 Pierre-Hugues Herbert (FRA) 903
58 Leonardo Mayer (ARG) 895
59 Jan-Lennard Struff (GER) 890
60 Marius Copil (ROU) 888
61 Peter Gojowczyk (GER) 881
62 Tennys Sandgren (USA) 854
63 Denis Kudla (USA) 845
64 Ryan Harrison (USA) 820
65 Pablo Cuevas (URU) 795
66 Guido Pella (ARG) 787
67 Maximilian Marterer (GER) 786
68 Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI) 785
69 Albert Ramos-Vinolas (ESP) 780
70 Aljaz Bedene (SLO) 780
71 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 770
72 Julien Benneteau (FRA) 767
73 Mischa Zverev (GER) 740
74 Taro Daniel (JPN) 733
75 Vasek Pospisil (CAN) 731
76 Andrey Rublev (RUS) 725
77 Tomas Berdych (CZE) 715
78 Roberto Carballes Baena (ESP) 714
79 Hubert Hurkacz (POL) 710
80 Jaume Munar (ESP) 703
81 Mackenzie McDonald (USA) 695
82 Lukas Lacko (SVK) 695
83 Federico Delbonis (ARG) 678
84 Mirza Basic (BIH) 672
85 Bernard Tomic (AUS) 664
86 Radu Albot (MDA) 653
87 Jordan Thompson (AUS) 652
88 Cameron Norrie (GBR) 648
89 Christian Garin (CHI) 648
90 Ilya Ivashka (BLR) 645
91 Yoshihito Nishioka (JPN) 643
92 Laslo Djere (SRB) 637
93 Jozef Kovalik (SVK) 637
94 Jiri Vesely (CZE) 629
95 Denis Istomin (UZB) 622
96 Ernests Gulbis (LAT) 611
97 Guido Andreozzi (ARG) 607
98 Marcel Granollers (ESP) 598
99 Ugo Humbert (FRA) 595
100 Evgeny Donskoy (RUS) 583