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i'll bookmark those. Am going now to see the ashes 5th test cricket. It could be an early finish for our boys i'm afraid :cry:
Enjoy yourself! I'm very sorry to hear that. Well, I've sent some music to cheer you up if having a couple of drinks (too many) doesn't work.
 

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Another couple that cheer me up when I've been having a bad time.



 

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My song-word game word is race-horse & it's from a 1960's song by a singer/song-writer who didn't sound British but was.

You might find this 1 easy but I love the song & think it's different. The word isn't in the title but 1 of the verses.
 
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Not my favourite of his but some skiffle for a change. Well, I've shared some of his funny songs before. I prefer his funny songs. I had to sing "Does your chewing gum lose it's flavour on the bedpost over night?" in Middle school choir (without laughing). It was hard. I like that song & "My old man's a dustman" by him best.
 

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I think it's unbelievable that you can enjoy listening to people screaming & shouting at the top of their voices & playing their instruments as loudly as they can while you think singers who can hit high notes but control their voices enough to sing low notes & they can carry a tune too can't sing. (If I'd have "sung" like some of the so-called singers you like at school I'd have been told to sing it again properly without shouting until I got it right.) Most of what you think of as true music I think of as so-called musicians screaming at the top of their voices & banging their instruments as loudly as they can. (I guess we're both thinking the other person doesn't appreciate good music, though.) I think you've actually damaged your eardrums already listening to that music. Your so-called high standards in music I wouldn't call that high. In fact I'd call them pretty low but everyone's got different tastes. I've shown you proper music. I agree with you that most old music is better than so-called new music though. I would also agree with you that there is a science to music which anyone who knows about soundwaves & how they're produced & how our voices & ears work would all agree on but I don't think you've found the proper formula.

You're welcome. I enjoyed the Scottish songs the best too. I prefer the songs which depict events in history best in the same way that I prefer songs that mean something. I like some hard-to-sing songs which gives singers a chance to show off sometimes but I also like simple songs to sing. The reason behind that is if I hear songs I know I always find the need to sing along. I like easy-to-sing songs as warm-up pieces before I go on to singing mid-range & hard-to-sing songs & I'm naughty in that sometimes I'll sing songs when I've got a sore throat which I know I shouldn't do as it can damage your voice so easy to sing songs are good then. (I like listening to the words as well as singing along. I like songs with a lot of meaning to them. Do you even listen to the words?) I sing the odd crescendo & diminuendo.

I'd actually call your screaming, banging pieces of music the simplistic pieces. I actually like to listen & sing along to the words. I like songs that mean something. Do you actually listen to the words? (I wouldn't have even started slagging off your music if you hadn't started slagging off Double Bagel's music. I'd have just said thank you very much for sharing & been rather euphemistic about how I said it's a bit different & respected the fact we have the right to different tastes. I'd have just kept my thoughts to myself because who wants to know what I think anyway.) I think Cher's Believe was a good example of someone being able to echo their voice naturally through hard work & practise. I can do that too. I must say I think you've got a weird idea of singing & you classed all the music I shared as pop except for the Scottish music. F.Y.I. Queen, the Moodies, Bryan Adams, Meatloaf & Rod Stewart are rock singers, Kenny Rogers is a country singer, Diana Ross is a Motown singer & Bob Marley is a reggae singer. I disagree with your opinion about the Rod Stewart song I shared. You wouldn't like this guy who I think is a brilliant singer & yodeller then. I also like Louis Armstrong like you do.



There is a lot of voice control there.

I actually picked a playlist so you could pick your own but it only picked up the 1st 1. I'd never heard that song before. I prefer "Sailing" & "You wear it well".

I don't want to fall out, offend or criticise you or your tastes but you were criticising not only mine but Double Bagel's tastes so I got fed up & retaliated. I don't want to fall out with, offend or criticise anyone. I'm 1 of the if not the least confrontational person on here.


Very honest criticism. Thanks! I take everything on board! I don't have time to respond to everything ATM. As I said before, our tastes are different & there is no point to argue in details.

But briefly, you are incorrect in your 2 factual assessments:
1. Cher does not modulate her voice "naturally" (at least not to the extent we hear in the recording). Check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_(Cher_song)
A quote from my wiki link: "Believe" departed from Cher's pop rock style of the time for an upbeat dance-pop style. It featured a pioneering use of the audio processing software Auto-Tune to create a deliberate vocal distortion, which became known as the "Cher effect".
This is an established fact and not my opinion.

2. The human hearing damage comes from prolonged hearing of any noises (random machinery noise or ordered noise like music) above certain volume. Typically 100dB is considered dangerous level. Said damage does not depend on the type of noise. This is again an established scientific fact, not my opinion. In particular, listening to the recording of "screams" (as I do) does not affect hearing if played at safe volume. On the other hand, even listening to the "soft" e.g. disco music (as you do) but in an environment where the volume exceeds 100dB (e.g. in a concert or a disco hall) can lead to hearing damage.

Then, despite what you say, I think I try to pay attention to the words in music, though I may not immediately come out as such because I didn't say it explicitly here. I like rhymes (I've proven it herein and somewhere else) and I appreciate the deepness of feelings as expressed by lyrics. Certainly, my appreciation likely is not be as deep as yours, certainly it is different to an extent.
Finally, despite your presumption, I like yodelling. And I like the piece you shared, thanks!

I noted it: when I heavily criticise something, i.e. when I "slander" someone's music herein, I sound brutal and inconsiderate. I need to apologise for it now, maybe I need to learn how to express my emotions better while criticising something. But I only criticise people's music when I hate that music and I cannot help it. I don't criticise people themselves. That includes my criticism of Double Bagel's music, you're referring to above. Or am I wrong here?

On other hand, in your critique of me, you went as far as claiming that I lost my sense of hearing while listening to my music. Which is (an incorrect) criticism of myself.

Does the above clarify our understanding a bit? Or do we still have serious disagreement? Especially regarding the factual points 1 & 2 above?
 

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Very honest criticism. Thanks! I take everything on board! I don't have time to respond to everything ATM. As I said before, our tastes are different & there is no point to argue in details.

But briefly, you are incorrect in your 2 factual assessments:
1. Cher does not modulate her voice "naturally" (at least not to the extent we hear in the recording). Check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_(Cher_song)
A quote from my wiki link: "Believe" departed from Cher's pop rock style of the time for an upbeat dance-pop style. It featured a pioneering use of the audio processing software Auto-Tune to create a deliberate vocal distortion, which became known as the "Cher effect".
This is an established fact and not my opinion.

2. The human hearing damage comes from prolonged hearing of any noises (random machinery noise or ordered noise like music) above certain volume. Typically 100dB is considered dangerous level. Said damage does not depend on the type of noise. This is again an established scientific fact, not my opinion. In particular, listening to the recording of "screams" (as I do) does not affect hearing if played at safe volume. On the other hand, even listening to the "soft" e.g. disco music (as you do) but in an environment where the volume exceeds 100dB (e.g. in a concert or a disco hall) can lead to hearing damage.

Then, despite what you say, I think I try to pay attention to the words in music, though I may not immediately come out as such because I didn't say it explicitly here. I like rhymes (I've proven it herein and somewhere else) and I appreciate the deepness of feelings as expressed by lyrics. Certainly, my appreciation likely is not be as deep as yours, certainly it is different to an extent.
Finally, despite your presumption, I like yodelling. And I like the piece you shared, thanks!

I noted it: when I heavily criticise something, i.e. when I "slander" someone's music herein, I sound brutal and inconsiderate. I need to apologise for it now, maybe I need to learn how to express my emotions better while criticising something. But I only criticise people's music when I hate that music and I cannot help it. I don't criticise people themselves. That includes my criticism of Double Bagel's music, you're referring to above. Or am I wrong here?

On other hand, in your critique of me, you went as far as claiming that I lost my sense of hearing while listening to my music. Which is (an incorrect) criticism of myself.

Does the above clarify our understanding a bit? Or do we still have serious disagreement? Especially regarding the factual points 1 & 2 above?
You're welcome. I haven't got much time for a proper answer at the moment either. Since I got this job in heritage preservation I haven't had time to read about anything other than archiving as I've been so busy what with working, training, reading about archiving, doing embroideries & knitting scarves.

1. Maybe Cher used auto-tune but does that mean everyone who gets that effect does. I've sung believe myself & sounded the same without auto-tune by voice control & making my natural voice echo & I'm not a professional which means it's possible to do it & I thought if I could do it when I'm not professional singer surely Cher could do it herself. (Not only have I done it on Karaoke but I've sung it to radio recordings sometimes & at other times I've sung it acapella.

2. I know but listening to music that loud definitely doesn't do your hearing any favours though. I honestly thought that music was that loud because I've got very sensitive hearing & that's how it sounded. I know my music could also damage my hearing if played too loud but I don't play it too loud.

I thought you didn't listen to the words because you didn't take into account the meanings & rhymes of the songs I shared. I realise that you appreciate poetry because you've mentioned it when commenting on mine & writing your own. The meanings of songs & beauty of the rhyme in them is 1 of the main reasons I like certain songs. Wahey! You do like vocal control & good singing voices to some extent & have taste to a certain extent then. You're welcome.

I think you can sound a bit nasty when you're criticising things. Sometimes you mis-read what I say when I know I've explained myself properly & you're more than capable of understanding me & I think you do that to annoy me. You're not the only 1 that does that though & it really gets on my nerves. I'm very sorry. I was wrong to say that maybe that music had already damaged your hearing. I didn't mean to sound aggressive but that was how you sounded to me. I like a wide range of music from some classical music to some pop & rock so I was offended when you classified all the music I shared to Scottish or pop when I shared country & reggae too when I've got varied tastes. I didn't like when you said I had simple tastes when I don't. We both go for complexity in music but I go for words, meanings & poetry & you go for sounds. I go for sounds too to a certain extent. I found some of what you said patronising. No, you're not wrong. I know you can't help what you don't like. I can't either.

That clarification helps. Thank you very much. Please read #'s 1 & 2 above.

Since you like yodelling & you liked Slim Whitman's piece I'm sharing another of his songs.



Or maybe you'd prefer this piece which has yodelling in by Frank Ifield?

 
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You're welcome. I haven't got much time for a proper answer at the moment either. Since I got this job in heritage preservation I haven't had time to read about anything other than archiving as I've been so busy what with working, training, reading about archiving, doing embroideries & knitting scarves.

1. Maybe Cher used auto-tune but does that mean everyone who gets that effect does. I've sung believe myself & sounded the same without auto-tune by voice control & making my natural voice echo & I'm not a professional which means it's possible to do it & I thought if I could do it when I'm not professional singer surely Cher could do it herself. (Not only have I done it on Karaoke but I've sung it to radio recordings sometimes & at other times I've sung it acapella.

2. I know but listening to music that loud definitely doesn't do your hearing any favours though. I honestly thought that music was that loud because I've got very sensitive hearing & that's how it sounded. I know my music could also damage my hearing if played too loud but I don't play it too loud.

I thought you didn't listen to the words because you didn't take into account the meanings & rhymes of the songs I shared. I realise that you appreciate poetry because you've mentioned it when commenting on mine & writing your own. The meanings of songs & beauty of the rhyme in them is 1 of the main reasons I like certain songs. Wahey! You do like vocal control & good singing voices to some extent & have taste to a certain extent then. You're welcome.

I think you can sound a bit nasty when you're criticising things. Sometimes you mis-read what I say when I know I've explained myself properly & you're more than capable of understanding me & I think you do that to annoy me. You're not the only 1 that does that though & it really gets on my nerves. I'm very sorry. I was wrong to say that maybe that music had already damaged your hearing. I didn't mean to sound aggressive but that was how you sounded to me. I like a wide range of music from some classical music to some pop & rock so I was offended when you classified all the music I shared to Scottish or pop when I shared country & reggae too when I've got varied tastes. I didn't like when you said I had simple tastes when I don't. We both go for complexity in music but I go for words, meanings & poetry & you go for sounds. I go for sounds too to a certain extent. I found some of what you said patronising. No, you're not wrong. I know you can't help what you don't like. I can't either.

That clarification helps. Thank you very much. Please read #'s 1 & 2 above.

Since you like yodelling & you liked Slim Whitman's piece I'm sharing another of his songs.



Or maybe you'd prefer this piece which has yodelling in by Frank Ifield?


All right, I need to be less "patronising" and avoid using terms like "simplistic music" that can be taken as denigrating.
To better understand your point 1, can you share an uneditted concert version of Believe where Cher were able to modulate her voice "naturally"? I hope back then (20y ago) it was impossible to use auto-tune in real time, as it is possible now. I want to compare the two versions to have appreciation of Cher's ability to modulate her voice.

Thanks fopr yodeling pieces. Nice one-two octave jumps therein, a classic technique of that style of singing.
 

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All right, I need to be less "patronising" and avoid using terms like "simplistic music" that can be taken as denigrating.
To better understand your point 1, can you share an uneditted concert version of Believe where Cher were able to modulate her voice "naturally"? I hope back then (20y ago) it was impossible to use auto-tune in real time, as it is possible now. I want to compare the two versions to have appreciation of Cher's ability to modulate her voice.

Thanks fopr yodeling pieces. Nice one-two octave jumps therein, a classic technique of that style of singing.
I'm not saying that Cher naturally echoed her voice. I'm saying it's possible because I can do it & I'm not a professional singer therefore Cher who is a professional singer should be able to. I don't believe it was that long ago. Chris, you're making me feel old. I was only born in the early 1980's though some people think I belong to an earlier time with some of my tastes. The thing is because of my age I should actually enjoy some of the music you do & you've been disagreeing with me about but I don't.

You're welcome. I'm glad you liked them.
 

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I'm not saying that Cher naturally echoed her voice. I'm saying it's possible because I can do it & I'm not a professional singer therefore Cher who is a professional singer should be able to. I don't believe it was that long ago. Chris, you're making me feel old. I was only born in the early 1980's though some people think I belong to an earlier time with some of my tastes. The thing is because of my age I should actually enjoy some of the music you do & you've been disagreeing with me about but I don't.
Yes it was so long ago... I double checked: release date October 19, 1998, almost 21 years. Of course she kept singing it for couple years thereafter but not very long. I remember she had her "farewell" tour sometimes in 2005, so almost 15 years ago. Time runs quicker than we would like to...
I think we are in agreement about Cher's professionalism and the importance of her work, despite the fact that I don't like the outcome of her work while you appear to like it.


Very good choice for this moment, thanks. I could have picked the same. But you're better than me in expressing variety of emotions, through music in this case.
 

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My song-word game word is race-horse & it's from a 1960's song by a singer/song-writer who didn't sound British but was.

You might find this 1 easy but I love the song & think it's different. The word isn't in the title but 1 of the verses.

I dunno. You say the song was 1960s ? I thought for a while it was PETER, PAUL & MARY song called Stewball but had another look at your post and saw you mention it was British. Was it a folk song?
 

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Horsa, you appear to have a huge interest in music.

I want to invite you over to a friend of mine's you tube channel. He's a local DJ from adelaide - Pete Godfrey.
Every weekday at 3am local time Pete hosts the 3am theme time music hour where he puts up words theme and the listeners are then invited to ether call him or email him with a songstitle (usually no more than 3).

So lets work this thing out now. 3am adelaide = 6:30 pm your neck of the woods, right?

This is Pete's recent YT channel and you can even access each music theme playlist there (LO I see Pete's latest theme was any song that featured 'Good' in the title) - https://www.youtube.com/user/FiveAAThemeTimeMusic
 

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Pete's also uploaded a video of himself during a recent program. Look at how many computers and soundboard Panal a radio DJ has to work from and manage nowadays (Keeping in mind at that time of the morning he is on his own).
 

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This is Pete's recent YT channel and you can even access each music theme playlist there (LO I see Pete's latest theme was any song that featured 'Good' in the title) - https://www.youtube.com/user/FiveAAThemeTimeMusic

That’s eclectic — the first time I’ve seen “On the Good Ship Lollipop” and Led Zeppelin’s “Good Times Bad Times” within two songs of each other on a playlist.
 
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LOL Pete's a diehard Zeppelin fan. Give his program a go. I was on the air only last week and told him it was the Led Zeppelin 2 album that knocked off the Beatles Abbey Road album off the number 1 spot , nearly 50 years before, on both sides of the atlantic.
 
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