LOL, no I havent.
I think I made it clear that my whole satisfaction regarding this film was seeing a dumb woke child derail the movie? It was a perfect woke-storm: idiotic activist causes panic among the execs because there scared shitless of these con artists.
I thought this was a thread for movies you saw and liked, or hated, not for "woke" BS. There's a thread for that. So, I guess you haven't seen it?
This one’s a blockbuster crossoverI thought this was a thread for movies you saw and liked, or hated, not for "woke" BS. There's a thread for that. So, I guess you haven't seen it?
That's a good one.This one’s a blockbuster crossover
But here's where I think you got it wrong, or too narrow. You're only reading what other people say, and you like recounting it because the story is that they were thinking too much about who they might offend by the various pitfalls inherent in the story for the 21st C., presumably. That's the story they're telling us, but we haven't seen it, so we don't know if it's bad, how bad it is, or why it's bad. I'll tell you one thing about Hollywood movies these days, and for some while now, and that is that they make terrible films because they make them by committee, and those committees are not made up of artists. The agenda is not "activist" so much as it's consumed by formula. Take what works, and use it again. They abdicated from making interesting films ages ago and have left that to more indie studios and the streaming ones, who still consider making films for grown-ups and working with filmmakers with a point of view. The problem is not having some kind of political or "activist" POV, the problem is not really having a POV at all. None of their choices are brave, or interesting, because they're trying to second-guess what will appeal to the most people and offend the least. They recycle and rehash too much, too.
I saw Barbie. I wrote about it here and won’t repeat it because we disagreed on that one, and there’s no need for us to disagree again on it. There’s always something new to disagree about so why waste time on the past?That's a good one.
But here's where I think you got it wrong, or too narrow. You're only reading what other people say, and you like recounting it because the story is that they were thinking too much about who they might offend by the various pitfalls inherent in the story for the 21st C., presumably. That's the story they're telling us, but we haven't seen it, so we don't know if it's bad, how bad it is, or why it's bad. I'll tell you one thing about Hollywood movies these days, and for some while now, and that is that they make terrible films because they make them by committee, and those committees are not made up of artists. The agenda is not "activist" so much as it's consumed by formula. Take what works, and use it again. They abdicated from making interesting films ages ago and have left that to more indie studios and the streaming ones, who still consider making films for grown-ups and working with filmmakers with a point of view. The problem is not having some kind of political or "activist" POV, the problem is not really having a POV at all. None of their choices are brave, or interesting, because they're trying to second-guess what will appeal to the most people and offend the least. They recycle and rehash too much, too.
I'm not sure if you ever saw "Barbie," but that film did give Barbie a certain feminist spin. But it worked, and it was pretty hilarious, and wildly appealing, because it was basically one person's strong vision, not watered down even by Mattel, which shocked me personally, having worked for them. That film works because it has a strong POV. It's smart AND goofy.
I just wish you wouldn't lump all American films together, and decide that they're all too "woke." There is a distinction between Hollywood/the big studios, which are really just run by bean-counters anymore, and films that are made by filmmakers. Not every filmmaker in America calculates the politics as they make a film.I saw Barbie. I wrote about it here and won’t repeat it because we disagreed on that one, and there’s no need for us to disagree again on it. There’s always something new to disagree about so why waste time on the past?
You’re right that films in America are generally driven by trends and a belief that regurgitating a successful film might result in two successful films. But they’re also seriously crippled by anachronistic casting practices and storylines that are based on and promote modish far left politics, and have neither wit nor imagination in them. It’s kind of like when Bud Lite promoted deranged sex ideas. Does anyone think Bud Lite gives a shit about the rights of men in dresses to flash their junk at ladies? Of course they don’t. They saw a freak horse getting cheers and they thought, hey, we could get us some! They completely misread the room.
Which brings me round to Snow White. When the activist start spouting debunked cliches, and openly displayed her own personal prejudices, Disney thought, this is where it’s at, we could get some.
There’s no art in that thinking, no vision, no beauty. There’s only wretched people making themselves feel miserable.
So we DO agree on a lot here, especially that “none of their choices are brave, or interesting, because they're trying to second-guess what will appeal to the most people and offend the least. They recycle and rehash too much, too.”
I agree with this completely. Unfortunately they tend to think that the most worst politics available is actually the thing that will “appeal to the most and offend the least.”
Go figger, eh? Maybe they’ll learn?
Not all them do that, I never said they’re all too woke, the ones I was discussing are like that. There are still some brave, imaginative, independent thinkers who are film makers. But Hollywood in general is captured by bad ideas, which sometimes they only realise when there’s a backlash. Sometimes even when there’s backlash, I reckon they think the people who hate this kind of stuff are just problematical bigots.
