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I don’t know that anyone said the films should adhere to the books, but I’d certainly liked it now if they became more like the books, with more old school espionage, clever plots and mind games, instead of the trend towards superheroes leaping off cranes and landing on their feet. I do think Craig has made Bond more vulnerable, and deepened the character and the role, which is a huge improvement from the Roger Moore Bond, where he could portray both danger and pervy lust simply by arching his eyebrow. Whatever they do next, it’s got to a brilliant, because Craig made that role his own, so an understated Bond movie might not be the road they take..
In essence Kieran what you are saying is Craig's acting is really on par with Connery's James Bond. Craig's Bond actually gave a damn about the people he encountered, Roger Moore and Pierce Bronson were two pretty boys trying to get laid which my good Irish fella isn't a bad Thing.. hahahaha
 
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In essence Kieran what you are saying is Craig's acting is really on par with Connery's James Bond. Craig's Bond actually gave a damn about the people he encountered, Roger Moore and Pierce Bronson were two pretty boys trying to get laid which my good Irish fella isn't a bad Thing.. hahahaha
Sean Connery is more “Bond”, according to the character created by Ian Fleming, but Craig has a great film presence and was a huge positive for the film franchise…
 

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Speaking of Billie Eyelish and her forgettable song..what is your favorite Bond Song... wow.. isn't this a tough one!

Carly Simon's No one does it BETTER is my all time favorite. Although Adele's Skyfall won probably the most critical acclaim but Duran Duran's 80s pop classic heavy sensitized drums and arrangements A View to the Kil is gonna be the most played song in my playlist. Sheryl's (Crow) voice is not the best but her Bond song Tomorrow NEVER dies lyrics are just pure haunting in a good way because of the way she describes what Bond is.. a hired Assassin with a license to Kill..

Really like the theme song from Daniel Craig Bond film intro You will know my name Casino Royale which is really the BEST Bond film afterwards GoldFinger which Sir Sean Connery's James Bond is at his Best. IMO
There's been a few forgettable songs too, including the Jack Whote one for Quantum of Solace. I think the U2/Tina Turner song, GoldenEye, was a classic Bond song, as well as the other ones mentioned, particularly the Carly Simon. Also, Diamonds Are Forever, which works on me in the same way GoldenEye does, and because I like the film, though not the singer, I enjoy the song for Spectre, because It's bringing me into the movie.
 

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Speaking of Billie Eyelish and her forgettable song..what is your favorite Bond Song... wow.. isn't this a tough one!

Carly Simon's No one does it BETTER is my all time favorite. Although Adele's Skyfall won probably the most critical acclaim but Duran Duran's 80s pop classic heavy sensitized drums and arrangements A View to the Kil is gonna be the most played song in my playlist. Sheryl's (Crow) voice is not the best but her Bond song Tomorrow NEVER dies lyrics are just pure haunting in a good way because of the way she describes what Bond is.. a hired Assassin with a license to Kill..

Really like the theme song from Daniel Craig Bond film intro You will know my name Casino Royale which is really the BEST Bond film afterwards GoldFinger which Sir Sean Connery's James Bond is at his Best. IMO
I absolutely love Nancy Sinatra and her theme song for You Only Live Twice, later immortalized again as the closing tune to season five of Mad Men (Jon Hamm‘a Don Draper f/k/a Dick Whitman would have made a great Bond). To my mind, Mad Men could have signed off right there with that scene in the bar!
After that I would say Diamonds Are Forever and Goldfinger by Shirley Bassy (both songs)—classic and she had some pipes on her. I had a huge crush on the Scottish songstress Sheena Easton, so I have a soft spot for For Your Eyes Only.
 

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I absolutely love Nancy Sinatra and her theme song for You Only Live Twice, later immortalized again as the closing tune to season five of Mad Men (Jon Hamm‘a Don Draper f/k/a Dick Whitman would have made a great Bond). To my mind, Mad Men could have signed off right there with that scene in the bar!
After that I would say Diamonds Are Forever and Goldfinger by Shirley Bassy (both songs)—classic and she had some pipes on her. I had a huge crush on the Scottish songstress Sheena Easton, so I have a soft spot for For Your Eyes Only.
Personally, I love the big female ballad singers. Let's face it, the only good role for a woman in the Bond films for the first 50+ years was singing the theme song. Shirley Bassey's "Goldfinger" is a top hit, and Adele's "Skyfall," too. I never liked "Live and Let Die," though it's probably better than most.

I think it's time to mention Monty Norman, who composed the James Bond Theme. That is one of the most recognizable and enduring themes in film score history.
 
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Agree about Monty Norman—truly emblematic of the 007 story. As for women, there have been strong females in the franchise. The characters played by Halle berry, Sophie Marceau and Eva Green were. I liked honey Blackmun too
 
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Agree about Monty Norman—truly emblematic of the 007 story. As for women, there have been strong females in the franchise. The characters played by Halle berry, Sophie Marceau and Eva Green were. I liked honey Blackmun too
And Diana Rigg. But let's face it, the stronger women have mostly come in late in the franchise.
 
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Personally, I love the big female ballad singers. Let's face it, the only good role for a woman in the Bond films for the first 50+ years was singing the theme song. Shirley Bassey's "Goldfinger" is a top hit, and Adele's "Skyfall," too. I never liked "Live and Let Die," though it's probably better than most.

I think it's time to mention Monty Norman, who composed the James Bond Theme. That is one of the most recognizable and enduring themes in film score history.
Wait just a sec.how can you exclude Carly Simon's No one Does it BETTER? ..It's was PERFECTO excellente arrangements and vocals
 
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Best Bond Villians:

1. Le Chiifre.. anyone who torture a man with a extremely extraordinary thick knotted rope to the highest sensitive area is as cold-blooded as a rattlesnake in a glass case with a laboratory mouse

2. GoldFinger: To kill the extremely extraordinary gorgeous Jill Masterson ( the actress is one of the few original Bond characters still alive) with gold spray is Insane.

3. Max Zorin: Christopher Walken. Need I say more! Even Satan thinks he is creepy and do not want to co exist with him

4. The Man with the Golden Gun: Christopher Lee..Need I say more!

5. Odd-job.. GoldFinger Numero uno henchman. Anyone who kills a Masterson girl with a hat deserves top mentioning.

Dr. No and the rest were pure child play for Bond
 

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I saw the new Bond film and my impression is that it splits the difference between the other Craig films: not as good as Casino Royale and Skyfall, but better than Quantum of Solace and Spectre. I rewatched the Craig films when Spectre came out, and I still can't remember anything about Quantum, except the great first scene. CR and Skyfall might be my favorite Bond films of all, but part of that is modern production values, so it is an unfair advantage.

As for older Bond, I (of course) agree that the Connery films are classic, although I think Diamonds are Forever was a big drop, and the later, non-EON film didn't grab me. But Goldfinger and From Russia With Love are arguably the two best, but I also really liked the other three from the 60s.

I really need to re-watch the Lazenby film, which some think is among the best, but I haven't seen it in decades. I tried watching it a few years ago but struggled to see Lazenby as Bond.

But I also have a soft spot for some of the Roger Moore films. I mean, they were silly and cheesy, but a lot of fun. I think The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are in the top 10. And Moonraker is just really fun, if ridiculous. Similarly with Live and Let Die.

Dalton was actually a good actor, but he probably wasn't the best Bond. But his two films are solid.

Brosnan was straight out of central casting, but kind of boring - and those films exemplified spectacle and effects over substance. The only one I'd re-watch is Goldeneye.

Anyhow, I liked the suggestion I read online of not only re-booting, but doing the next Bond as a period piece starting in the 60s.
 
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I saw the new Bond film and my impression is that it splits the difference between the other Craig films: not as good as Casino Royale and Skyfall, but better than Quantum of Solace and Spectre. I rewatched the Craig films when Spectre came out, and I still can't remember anything about Quantum, except the great first scene. CR and Skyfall might be my favorite Bond films of all, but part of that is modern production values, so it is an unfair advantage.

As for older Bond, I (of course) agree that the Connery films are classic, although I think Diamonds are Forever was a big drop, and the later, non-EON film didn't grab me. But Goldfinger and From Russia With Love are arguably the two best, but I also really liked the other three from the 60s.

I really need to re-watch the Lazenby film, which some think is among the best, but I haven't seen it in decades. I tried watching it a few years ago but struggled to see Lazenby as Bond.

But I also have a soft spot for some of the Roger Moore films. I mean, they were silly and cheesy, but a lot of fun. I think The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are in the top 10. And Moonraker is just really fun, if ridiculous. Similarly with Live and Let Die.

Dalton was actually a good actor, but he probably wasn't the best Bond. But his two films are solid.

Brosnan was straight out of central casting, but kind of boring - and those films exemplified spectacle and effects over substance. The only one I'd re-watch is Goldeneye.

Anyhow, I liked the suggestion I read online of not only re-booting, but doing the next Bond as a period piece starting in the 60s.
That was Tarantino’s take on it, when he met pierce Brosnan about making casino royale. He even suggested it should be made in black and white. Then the broccolis backed down and delayed and then changed actors, and the Craig era began. But I think you’re right, a reboot now should be meaningful, and not simply a continuation of the generic action flick the movies have become. We’ve seen Craig take down the biggest megalomaniac in history, followed by that megalomaniacs even more megalomaniacal boss, and so on, but stripping it back to something more relevant and less Austin Powers-ish might give the the next actor something new to get his teeth into…
 
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I saw the new Bond film and my impression is that it splits the difference between the other Craig films: not as good as Casino Royale and Skyfall, but better than Quantum of Solace and Spectre. I rewatched the Craig films when Spectre came out, and I still can't remember anything about Quantum, except the great first scene. CR and Skyfall might be my favorite Bond films of all, but part of that is modern production values, so it is an unfair advantage.

As for older Bond, I (of course) agree that the Connery films are classic, although I think Diamonds are Forever was a big drop, and the later, non-EON film didn't grab me. But Goldfinger and From Russia With Love are arguably the two best, but I also really liked the other three from the 60s.

I really need to re-watch the Lazenby film, which some think is among the best, but I haven't seen it in decades. I tried watching it a few years ago but struggled to see Lazenby as Bond.
I do agree with the Craig ones you like. (Turns out the only Bond I have never seen is "Spectre.") I also agree that the Lazenby one would be worth a revisit, and "Diamonds are Forever," which I have seen in years and years.
But I also have a soft spot for some of the Roger Moore films. I mean, they were silly and cheesy, but a lot of fun. I think The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are in the top 10. And Moonraker is just really fun, if ridiculous. Similarly with Live and Let Die.
They are pretty goofy, and I wouldn't turn up my nose in the right circumstance, but they are kind of goofy and are in the category of "life is too short," for me.

Dalton was actually a good actor, but he probably wasn't the best Bond. But his two films are solid.
I enjoyed the broodiness, and I think he set the stage for a Craig Bond, IMO.

Brosnan was straight out of central casting, but kind of boring - and those films exemplified spectacle and effects over substance. The only one I'd re-watch is Goldeneye.
I think it was a bit surprising that he didn't work better, but he was a vanilla bond. He was so enjoyable in the remake of The Thomas Crown Affair, and he's done some lovely indies, even. Maybe he was just too obvious as a Bond. I'm sure the producers were surprised. He lacks any real sense of danger, and was not quite suave enough to overcome that. (Whatever I think of Moore, he was suave.)

Anyhow, I liked the suggestion I read online of not only re-booting, but doing the next Bond as a period piece starting in the 60s.
This is a fascinating idea. Go back to the Cold War? The time is ripe for making Russians the enemy again, anyway. But they'd have to avoid going back to 60s sensibilities on the women in the film, and that it was so "white." That's the downside.
That was Tarantino’s take on it, when he met pierce Brosnan about making casino royale. He even suggested it should be made in black and white. Then the broccolis backed down and delayed and then changed actors, and the Craig era began. But I think you’re right, a reboot now should be meaningful, and not simply a continuation of the generic action flick the movies have become. We’ve seen Craig take down the biggest megalomaniac in history, followed by that megalomaniacs even more megalomaniacal boss, and so on, but stripping it back to something more relevant and less Austin Powers-ish might give the the next actor something new to get his teeth into…
IMO, Tarantino would have been a terrible choice to direct a Bond film. Precisely because they are Bond films, not Tarantino films. As I said before, I think the reason that the franchise has survived is that it does respect its own tropes. It keeps ahold of its center, and then riffs from there. Maybe I lack imagination, and a Tarantino one would be interesting, or likewise one in black-and-white. (Which would be the only one, to date.) I think we've seen that you can't sink the franchise with a mistake for one film. I do disagree that they've become generic action flicks, though I see why you'd say that. 21st C. action films have a certain amount of muscle and high-spectacle, and Bond films have not wanted to be left behind. But I honestly don't think they've been "Austin Powers-ish" since the Moore years.

And you may hate this, but I think there is a female Bond in our future.
 
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I do agree with the Craig ones you like. (Turns out the only Bond I have never seen is "Spectre.") I also agree that the Lazenby one would be worth a revisit, and "Diamonds are Forever," which I have seen in years and years.

They are pretty goofy, and I wouldn't turn up my nose in the right circumstance, but they are kind of goofy and are in the category of "life is too short," for me.


I enjoyed the broodiness, and I think he set the stage for a Craig Bond, IMO.


I think it was a bit surprising that he didn't work better, but he was a vanilla bond. He was so enjoyable in the remake of The Thomas Crown Affair, and he's done some lovely indies, even. Maybe he was just too obvious as a Bond. I'm sure the producers were surprised. He lacks any real sense of danger, and was not quite suave enough to overcome that. (Whatever I think of Moore, he was suave.)


This is a fascinating idea. Go back to the Cold War? The time is ripe for making Russians the enemy again, anyway. But they'd have to avoid going back to 60s sensibilities on the women in the film, and that it was so "white." That's the downside.

IMO, Tarantino would have been a terrible choice to direct a Bond film. Precisely because they are Bond films, not Tarantino films. As I said before, I think the reason that the franchise has survived is that it does respect its own tropes. It keeps ahold of its center, and then riffs from there. Maybe I lack imagination, and a Tarantino one would be interesting, or likewise one in black-and-white. (Which would be the only one, to date.) I think we've seen that you can't sink the franchise with a mistake for one film. I do disagree that they've become generic action flicks, though I see why you'd say that. 21st C. action films have a certain amount of muscle and high-spectacle, and Bond films have not wanted to be left behind. But I honestly don't think they've been "Austin Powers-ish" since the Moore years.

And you may hate this, but I think there is a female Bond in our future.
A female Bond...No! It just doesn't work for me a female superSpy but Jennifer Garner Alias series was fantastic .too bad she met Ben Affleck and ruin that series.
 
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A female Bond...No! It just doesn't work for me female superSpy but Jennifer Garner Alias series was fantastic .too bad she met Ben Affleck and ruin that series.
We will discuss when everyone has see the latest.
 

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Nothing wrong with a female super-spy or any type of strong female lead. But Jane Bond? No thanks. Why this incessant need to co-opt established characters? I think we know the real reason: agenda-driven virtue signaling. It is rather lame and, quite frankly, creatively lazy. I'd love to see good female super-spy series but co-oping Bond is just creatively lazy and has tinges of pettiness.

Anyhow, I like the Tom Hardy idea - he's a fantastic actor. But he might also hew a little close to Craig, but he would bring humor back in. Idris Elba is also great, but a bit too old to start (49, so he's be in his 50s in the next film). Even Hardy is on the edge of the ideal starting age (just turned 44), so they'd have to move quick if they wanted to get more than two or three films out of him. Tom Hiddleston has also been mentioned, but I hope he isn't picked. I don't think he has the presence, and would more in the Brosnan mold.
 

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I do agree with the Craig ones you like. (Turns out the only Bond I have never seen is "Spectre.") I also agree that the Lazenby one would be worth a revisit, and "Diamonds are Forever," which I have seen in years and years.

They are pretty goofy, and I wouldn't turn up my nose in the right circumstance, but they are kind of goofy and are in the category of "life is too short," for me.


I enjoyed the broodiness, and I think he set the stage for a Craig Bond, IMO.


I think it was a bit surprising that he didn't work better, but he was a vanilla bond. He was so enjoyable in the remake of The Thomas Crown Affair, and he's done some lovely indies, even. Maybe he was just too obvious as a Bond. I'm sure the producers were surprised. He lacks any real sense of danger, and was not quite suave enough to overcome that. (Whatever I think of Moore, he was suave.)


This is a fascinating idea. Go back to the Cold War? The time is ripe for making Russians the enemy again, anyway. But they'd have to avoid going back to 60s sensibilities on the women in the film, and that it was so "white." That's the downside.

IMO, Tarantino would have been a terrible choice to direct a Bond film. Precisely because they are Bond films, not Tarantino films. As I said before, I think the reason that the franchise has survived is that it does respect its own tropes. It keeps ahold of its center, and then riffs from there. Maybe I lack imagination, and a Tarantino one would be interesting, or likewise one in black-and-white. (Which would be the only one, to date.) I think we've seen that you can't sink the franchise with a mistake for one film. I do disagree that they've become generic action flicks, though I see why you'd say that. 21st C. action films have a certain amount of muscle and high-spectacle, and Bond films have not wanted to be left behind. But I honestly don't think they've been "Austin Powers-ish" since the Moore years.

And you may hate this, but I think there is a female Bond in our future.
I agree about Tarantino, he makes Tarantino films, which are great, but he’d warp the Bond franchise. But his idea was a great one, and at that stage, where it has become silly like Roger Moore again, it wasn’t a bad fit. Raymond Chandlers Philip Marlowe character is due a major revisit by Hollywood, my preference would be Josh Brolin, who would perfectly capture the man, and I used to wonder if Tarantino would be the director I’d like to see, but for the reason above, I think not. Tarantino is a great writer, but Raymond Chandler is a whole other level.

A female Bond? Now that would kill it off completely. I wouldn’t bother to see that. Any of the modern ideology of ticking boxes is deadening. A black Bond, then a trans Bond, then a Muslim Bond, a Japanese Bond. Just to include everybody, eventually. It excludes the audience, except the ones who think politics should have a say in art. Political thinking should never be forced onto culture, and I can’t help but feel that this would be the only reason why they’d go for a female, or black, Bond.

I have no problem with a sixties Bond story being so “white”, if it reflects the times perfectly. There’s nothing wrong with a film being”white”, especially if it’s a Scottish bloke against the Russians, where you’d expect “white”. I think the next Bond, if it’s set in a modern age, should maybe reflect the modern anxiety, which has to be China, much more than Russia. But China is such a big market for Hollywood, and we’d hate to see Bond have to do a John Cena type snivel before the tyrants.

I do like the idea of Tom Hardy as Bond, but he’s become the favourite so early in the race, we might become tired of him before he even starts filming… :face-with-tears-of-joy:
 
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I agree about Tarantino, he makes Tarantino films, which are great, but he’d warp the Bond franchise. But his idea was a great one, and at that stage, where it has become silly like Roger Moore again, it wasn’t a bad fit. Raymond Chandlers Philip Marlowe character is due a major revisit by Hollywood, my preference would be Josh Brolin, who would perfectly capture the man, and I used to wonder if Tarantino would be the director I’d like to see, but for the reason above, I think not. Tarantino is a great writer, but Raymond Chandler is a whole other level.

A female Bond? Now that would kill it off completely. I wouldn’t bother to see that. Any of the modern ideology of ticking boxes is deadening. A black Bond, then a trans Bond, then a Muslim Bond, a Japanese Bond. Just to include everybody, eventually. It excludes the audience, except the ones who think politics should have a say in art. Political thinking should never be forced onto culture, and I can’t help but feel that this would be the only reason why they’d go for a female, or black, Bond.

I have no problem with a sixties Bond story being so “white”, if it reflects the times perfectly. There’s nothing wrong with a film being”white”, especially if it’s a Scottish bloke against the Russians, where you’d expect “white”. I think the next Bond, if it’s set in a modern age, should maybe reflect the modern anxiety, which has to be China, much more than Russia. But China is such a big market for Hollywood, and we’d hate to see Bond have to do a John Cena type snivel before the tyrants.

I do like the idea of Tom Hardy as Bond, but he’s become the favourite so early in the race, we might become tired of him before he even starts filming… :face-with-tears-of-joy:
A Black James Bond could work just like the show Luther or something like the 1700s Bridgerton. An Actor who is playing the character not a black actor playing a part meant for a black man if that makes sense.