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[Si Si Simona]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

@ MashaFan,

One more thing. The admin of the biggest women tennis forum on the net (not here) called Simona Halep "a peasant" after she lost to your screamer in Paris. This forum is heaven compared to other forums on the net. Go and pick on them. Lets see how you will do there.
You should clean up your own camp before you dare coming to me. The arrogance and bitchiness of Maria fans has no end. Look at your mirror before talking to me.

 

[Front242]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

I don't think anything of it when someone calls a player I like a pos and you shouldn't either. They don't care about you so why should you care about them. Insulting the player has zero to do with the fans despite what you seem to believe. No one is accusing you of looking for an unfair advantage by roaring like a rabid, ebola ridden lion 24/7. Fact is, she didn't do this in 2004 and as she's getting older and is not a great mover she has to look for any advantage to win. Screaming like a demented banshee on speed is the low she stoops to to win matches now because it's her edge on these younger players. I'd wager a large bet if she didn't scream with practically every ball hit she'd lose considerably more matches as her opponents would actually be able to focus on hitting the ball properly! It's blatant gamesmanship and cheating of the highest order.

And also, as to Facebook likes who the hell cares ? There are just as many if not more for every popular player who despise them as much as those who actually like them. Meaningless.

You're never going to find a forum where everyone loves your favourite player so either get used to reading negative comments or just either don't comment or don't visit any forums for tennis full stop.

Let's say that you've a best friend with only one leg and people are constantly mocking and insulting your friend because of his handicap - Would you just stand by and shrug it of as nothing personal for you? - I assume not - It's the same with fans of tennis players - Many of them love their favorite dearly

You are upset about Masha and you've strong opinions about her behavior on court - The question however is how valid these personal opinions are - You have no valid evidence that Masha has broken any rules accept for some few time delay warning and therefor all these comments about gamesmanship and "banshee screaming" are just worthless and only show your personal dislike about Masha - You're of course entitled to your opinion but the question is - is it acceptable when you vent these opinions publicly without any solid proof? - Is it acceptable if I state that you are a thief or something worse without any solid proof? - I think not

You say: And also, as to Facebook likes who the hell cares ? There are just as many if not more for every popular player who despise them as much as those who actually like them. Meaningless.

and yet you can not refer to something which remotely can support your case that the scream minors are a significant majority of tennis fans - I'm just saying that if you wanna debate this you should have some solid ground for your arguments

I've no idea wtf the one legged friend comment is all about but insulting someone who isn't you has nothing to do with you. Most likely in that bizarre example I'd give said people a bop. But that has nothing to do with people disliking your favourite player. :s Zero. This is the real world and not everyone likes the same people or things or it'd be a boring joke of a place to live.

Another bizarre example of calling me a thief? Wtf has this to do with Sharapova blatantly screaming after practically every ball she hits? She can easily hit the damn ball without making all that pathetic noise and you know it. There's a reason she does it and it's putting her opponents off and you know that too. Many girls hit the ball harder than her without all that totally pointless and absurd and disgusting noise.

I've made 10000000 times more solid ground for my remarks than some bizarre talk of one legged best friends and calling me a thief lol! She does it for a competitive advantage and it's not fair. Maybe you still don't get it.

 

[MashaFan]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

@ MashaFan, hi there
Many others here pick on "your maria" for her screams and behaviour. Check other posters on this thread who call her "screamer". Try and pick on them also, will you..
And, if its true then its fair enough to complain about it.
Dont shoot the messenger, shoot the screamer joking! you may take that seriously too..
At least I stopped calling her cheatpova! You should be happy with that

Yes - but YOU have stated not to participate in the name calling and/or having all sorta negative opinions about Masha not that long ago - Does it makes it OK to do what others do? - Others may abuse children or women - Does that makes it OK? - To establish that Masha is shrieking - grunting screaming is also one thing - to constantly call her Screampova - screamva and whine about how they've to mute their TV - or avoid to see a Masha match all the time is something completely different

You may dislike Masha for various reasons but the fact is that she's never been the cause of any scandalous headlines on or off court during her whole career - You may hope that your Simone can say the same thing after she's been around for more then 10 years as a top player

 

[Front242]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

^ Whining about muting the tv is a reality. No one wants to listen to that crap. Talk of child and women abuse now? Wtf is with these bizarre off topic examples?! It has zero to do with people not wanting to listen to her stupid noise. And you take offense to people not wanting to watch her matches? Why exactly? If you can't stand the player it makes perfect sense unless of course she's playing someone she always loses to. In which case it can be a fun time for all. But you of course.

 

[Si Si Simona]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

You have no valid evidence that Masha has broken any rules accept for some few time delay warning and therefor all these comments about gamesmanship and "banshee screaming" are just worthless and only show your personal dislike about Masha

Seriously, are you sure you are living in reality? If someone screams then it distracts my attention. Why are you lying to your self? You know very well that screams disrupt. Any child knows that.
Go on with your stuff... you are just funny. no one screams like your player.
SEND HER TO SCREAM REHAB

I cant believe this type of people. Forum or not, life is above forums.

 

[Si Si Simona]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

@ MashaFan, hi there
Many others here pick on "your maria" for her screams and behaviour. Check other posters on this thread who call her "screamer". Try and pick on them also, will you..
And, if its true then its fair enough to complain about it.
Dont shoot the messenger, shoot the screamer joking! you may take that seriously too..
At least I stopped calling her cheatpova! You should be happy with that

Yes - but YOU have stated not to participate in the name calling and/or having all sorta negative opinions about Masha not that long ago - Does it makes it OK to do what others do? - Others may abuse children or women - Does that makes it OK? - To establish that Masha is shrieking - grunting screaming is also one thing - to constantly call her Screampova - screamva and whine about how they've to mute their TV - or avoid to see a Masha match all the time is something completely different

You may dislike Masha for various reasons but the fact is that she's never been the cause of any scandalous headlines on or off court during her whole career - You may hope that your Simone can say the same thing after she's been around for more then 10 years as a top player

screamva is not abusive. Others simply call her "screamer". I even made it a kind of nickname. Everyone calls her screamer not just on this forum. Get on with it, its real life.
You should also call her screamer
Ok, I said what I had to say. I am not replying on that anymore.

 

[Front242]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

 

[MashaFan]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

I've no idea wtf the one legged friend comment is all about but insulting someone who isn't you has nothing to do with you. Most likely in that bizarre example I'd give said people a bop. But that has nothing to do with people disliking your favourite player. :s Zero. This is the real world and not everyone likes the same people or things or it'd be a boring joke of a place to live.

Of course the similarity deludes you - what else to expect? - If you love your friend - any insult towards your friend is an insult to your friendship and you

Another bizarre example of calling me a thief? Wtf has this to do with Sharapova blatantly screaming after practically every ball she hits? She can easily hit the damn ball without making all that pathetic noise and you know it. There's a reason she does it and it's putting her opponents off and you know that too. Many girls hit the ball harder than her without all that totally pointless and absurd and disgusting noise.

You accused Masha without any valid proof for gamesmanship - did you not? - You stated that the screaming was to intimidate "young players" and as such unfair - Puleese - really? - Did you have such compassion about Masha when she was only 17 year old? - This is called hypocrisy - Young players have to get use to meet top players - It's not the top players duty or obligation to go soft on "young players"

I've made 10000000 times more solid ground for my remarks than some bizarre talk of one legged best friends and calling me a thief lol!

*nods* - In your dreams :laydownlaughing:

She does it for a competitive advantage and it's not fair. Maybe you still don't get it.

Maybe she does - and? - What are you saying - Don't every player try to establish - how did you call it? - "competitive advantage" - Nothing wrong with that? - As long no rules are broken it seems OK and fair to me - Your reasoning is only based on your personal dislike of Masha - but your logic and empty arguments are worthless

If you claim to be a tennis fan - why not focus on Masha's tennis instead of all the irrational issues which seem to irritate and upset you tremendously - It's not good for your health you know and you won't obtain anything with your hate comments

 

[Si Si Simona]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

the fact is that she's never been the cause of any scandalous headlines on or off court during her whole career

uzzled WHAT ?!
She is a walking scandal ON court when she plays mind games and takes advantage of her "glamour" status. Thats why she is allowed to scream, delay many times, stare in an intimidating manner, and take 12 minutes bathroom breaks. Are you sure you are real?...

And she is a walking scandal OFF court in the way she handled the Serena situation. And she sells stuff that makes kids sick and unhealthy (sugar). As a sportswoman she should be a role model, but instead she makes kids FAT and sick.

I am done. No more replies to you. period.

 

[Front242]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

I've no idea wtf the one legged friend comment is all about but insulting someone who isn't you has nothing to do with you. Most likely in that bizarre example I'd give said people a bop. But that has nothing to do with people disliking your favourite player. :s Zero. This is the real world and not everyone likes the same people or things or it'd be a boring joke of a place to live.

Of course the similarity deludes you - what else to expect? - If you love your friend - any insult towards your friend is an insult to your friendship and you

Read properly. I said I'd give the person(s) a bop and that's it.

Another bizarre example of calling me a thief? Wtf has this to do with Sharapova blatantly screaming after practically every ball she hits? She can easily hit the damn ball without making all that pathetic noise and you know it. There's a reason she does it and it's putting her opponents off and you know that too. Many girls hit the ball harder than her without all that totally pointless and absurd and disgusting noise.

You accused Masha without any valid proof for gamesmanship - did you not? - You stated that the screaming was to intimidate "young players" and as such unfair - Puleese - really? - Did you have such compassion about Masha when she was only 17 year old? - This is called hypocrisy - Young players have to get use to meet top players - It's not the top players duty or obligation to go soft on "young players"

You don't need proof. Just tell me this. Is it fair what she does in your opinion? Because for millions worldwide it isn't. And again, I'm not singling her out as I pointed earlier as many scream/grunt/shriek but she is, however, the worst of them all. Try watching a match with two nice quiet girls who don't do any of that crap and see the difference. They let their tennis win the matches for them without any intervention of yes, gamesmanship, ie. screaming at the top of their lungs to put the opponent off. Also, I've said many times, rewatch the 2004 Wimbledon final and she did not scream like she does now. It's in the last few years and used as a means of winning as she's getting older and is not a great mover and needs to use any means at her disposal to win.

I've made 10000000 times more solid ground for my remarks than some bizarre talk of one legged best friends and calling me a thief lol!

*nods* - In your dreams :laydownlaughing:

Think again. You've made zero comebacks here except bizarre non tennis related weirdness.

She does it for a competitive advantage and it's not fair. Maybe you still don't get it.

Maybe she does - and? - What are you saying - Don't every player try to establish - how did you call it? - "competitive advantage" - Nothing wrong with that? - As long no rules are broken - it seems OK to me - Your reasoning is only based on your personal dislike of Masha - but your logic and empty arguments are worthless

So at least you've admitted she does it for a competitive advantage. You don't need a competitive advantage if you're simply a better player. If you're not you need to find a way to annoy and distract your opponents so their level of play and concentration is far from their best and it's not fair at all. No, it's not OK to scream like that and again, I don't like ANY player doing it but she is by far the loudest and worst offender like it or not. My logic is actually making way more sense than your nonsense about one legged best friends, thieves and abuse to women and children. Again, wtf is that all about when we're discussing a tennis player screaming?

 

[special700]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

You can't talk about other people not getting it w/o looking in a mirror Masha. You want people to stop whining, you could start by returning the favor. Every so often you drop in to tell posters how they should respond. This is a message board. You're tired of people whining about Sharapova's screams? Well guess what, people are tired of her screaming.

Do you have definitive proof that those posters are the minority? Of course not. People's acceptance of it has very little to do w/ how many endorsement contracts someone has. Most people in the stands don't have a choice. They have to watch what's in front of them whether they agree with it or not. This is completely the WTA's fault. They didn't do anything about it years ago and now it's become standard on the tour. That's not a tennis fan's fault that the WTA has practically forced a style of play down everyone's throat.

You're doing the same thing you accuse others of doing. Try looking at it from a different perspective.

Definite proof? - No - but I think my 3 points above and the comment about the ITF - WTA and USTA make a strong case - If the general tennis fans really dislike the matches of the shriekers they would have complained and/or boycotted them - Note that TV channels - tournament organizers and the WTA are commercial businesses and therefor keen about their customers opinion - Presenting their customers as powerless victims is ridiculous - Note also the odd fact that Masha - who's the alleged worse screamer - also is one of the best public magnets - Every tournament organizer is happy when Masha participates in their tournament and use her face and name to attract spectators

It's however no surprise that you defend those who're constantly whining about especially Masha's shrieking because you've never been open for reason - You defend those whiners by accusing me for the same thing and yet you have no valid arguments which makes the whiners behavior remotely understandable - More then 10 years with Serena and Venus to name some and years with players like Victoria - Sara and Francesca and you are just standing by when people on this forum single out Masha to insult her and attack her for her screaming and allow them to give Masha all sorta condescending nicknames over and over again in every thread in which Masha is of any significance - And you think my behavior is odd? - Puleeese!!

Please don't fool yourself marsha do not attract jack squat. She is not the the one who bring in the $ for the WTA my dear....don't fool yourself.

 

[special700]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

She has indeed got way louder. Watch the Wimbledon 2004 final and it was nothing like this. It's become her trademark form of cheating by putting her opponents off. Back in 2004 she was fine. These days she's beyond a joke. And yes there are indeed many others who are bad too but Sharapova takes the cake.

That statement is soooooooooooooo true.

 

[MashaFan]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

Enough of this back and forth w/ MashaFan. Here is our policy on inappropriate posts http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=994.

I suggest everyone read this thread as it outlines what our position is regarding what can be said about players and their fans. I implore everyone to follow these guidelines. If you have specific question, please pm an admin or a moderator. Otherwise, please refrain from causing public dissension.

Thank you in advance.

And that should be your rules carved in stone - Never to be changed - no matter how reasonable the arguments and no matter the lack of your arguments? - Freedom of speech is not important anymore when someone questions your rules? - The hypocrisy!!!

As for the back and forth - I'm only politely replying when others direct their comments to me -

 

[kskate2]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

Enough of this back and forth w/ MashaFan. Here is our policy on inappropriate posts http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=994.

I suggest everyone read this thread as it outlines what our position is regarding what can be said about players and their fans. I implore everyone to follow these guidelines. If you have specific question, please pm an admin or a moderator. Otherwise, please refrain from causing public dissension.

Thank you in advance.

And that should be your rules carved in stone - Never to be changed - no matter how reasonable the arguments and no matter the lack of your arguments? - Freedom of speech is not important anymore when someone questions your rules? - The hypocrisy!!!

As for the back and forth - I'm only politely replying when others direct their comments to me -

If you don't like someone's negative comment about your favorite player, do not read their posts.
You are causing dissension about the same topic when rules have been explicitly explained to you previously. It's trolling and won't be tolerated on this board, period.

 

[special700]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

I'm not here to defend your view of any player. Many of the women yelp, scream or grunt. You're right, on this issue I'm not open about it. I've never been meek about how I feel about it. I've made my opinion very clear on various threads about it through the many forums we've been apart of. Most of this noise is unnecessary and should have been squashed long ago and I don't care who's doing it (Maria, Venus, Serena, Vika, Franny or whoever). Maria is getting a lot of attention right now because she's actually gotten louder (I've been watching Maria since 2003 and she's notably louder than before) and she's winning.

My point is this is a message board. Maybe I need to say it again, a m-e-s-s-a-g-e board. I don't need a valid argument because I'm not the one who takes issue w/ comments about particular players. You take everything personal that someone says about Sharapova. You expect everyone to respond and post the way you do. That's not going to happen. :nono Everyone has a different personality, likes, dislikes, attitude, etc.

This is a TENNIS board and as such the fans of a particular tennis player can expect that their favorite is commented with respect and dignity - Every insult and mocking comment about a player also effects the feelings of the player's fans and hurt as much as if you had insulted the fan personally - Of course it is a "personal" thing because the fan has made a deliberate and personal choice to support this or that player - Mocking and insulting the player is also mocking and insulting the fan - This is a simple and logical truth which you and your colleagues don't seem to comprehend - Just notice all the upset comments here when someone would dare to say something insulting about Serena - The fact that there are just a few or no Masha fans around this board doesn't really matter - Constantly mocking a particular tennis player for whatever reason an repeatedly calling her names is virtual hooliganism - It numbs our own humanity when we are allowed to vent our inner aggressions that way - When is it enough? - We don't accept that behavior in real time so why do we allow it on the Internet? - Such behavior has nothing to do with freedom of speech

That bolded piece should tell you something.

 

[special700]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

This person Mashfan goes to every message board talking about how much endorcements she has and how she makes more money than Serena etc. And it even get worse when screamapov loses then the endorcements is stressed even more and even posted.....Yes medicoracity is always rewarded well when you are a bottle blond.....

 

[Si Si Simona]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

I calmed down, hope its not too late, you know what i mean.
its just that masha fans drive me nuts, not just here, so arrogant and full of it... I read their stuff everywhere.
a part of the bad culture that strives in tennis at present. no respect to others, always arrogant, always bitchy.
Serena fans are not like them.

 

[kskate2]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

This person Mashfan goes to every message board talking about how much endorcements she has and how she makes more money than Serena etc.

And that's his/her right if they want to do that. What isn't right is someone telling the admins how to operate this forum. As stated in the thread I referred to above, this isn't MariaSharapova.com or SerenaWilliams.com. Not everyone will agree with or like every player. Fans need to develop a thick skin and if they don't have one, they should ignore any negative posts regarding their player.

 

[Si Si Simona]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

Don't you guys want to discuss tennis? There are actual matches being played right now at a slam. Please go to this thread to discuss Day 2 action http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2862

Apologies, I just lost it. I have short fuse with this player fans Its not just the player herself but her fans are the same. I so want her to lose soon now

COMN ALEX! DO IT FOR TENNIS
Damn, I hate this player more than "special700" hates her
"special700" just pitty this player, 16-0 or something :laydownlaughing this player doesnt bother special700

 

[MashaFan]

RE: US Open Day 1: Monday, August 25

You don't need proof. Just tell me this. Is it fair what she does in your opinion? Because for millions worldwide it isn't. And again, I'm not singling her out as I pointed earlier as many scream/grunt/shriek but she is, however, the worst of them all. Try watching a match with two nice quiet girls who don't do any of that crap and see the difference. They let their tennis win the matches for them without any intervention of yes, gamesmanship, ie. screaming at the top of their lungs to put the opponent off. Also, I've said many times, rewatch the 2004 Wimbledon final and she did not scream like she does now. It's in the last few years and used as a means of winning as she's getting older and is not a great mover and needs to use any means at her disposal to win.

Think again. You've made zero comebacks here except bizarre non tennis related weirdness.

Speaking about how some treat and comment about respected tennis players here absolutely is tennis related

So at least you've admitted she does it for a competitive advantage. You don't need a competitive advantage if you're simply a better player. If you're not you need to find a way to annoy and distract your opponents so their level of play and concentration is far from their best and it's not fair at all. No, it's not OK to scream like that and again, I don't like ANY player doing it but she is by far the loudest and worst offender like it or not. My logic is actually making way more sense than your nonsense about one legged best friends, thieves and abuse to women and children. Again, wtf is that all about when we're discussing a tennis player screaming?

Really Front242 - replying in bold doesn't make your comments more valid or truthful - Fair is when a player plays within the rules - Masha has always played within the rules - Your irritation about her shrieking is irrational and based on sentiment rather then on logic and facts and it has no valid since Masha doesn't break any rules

Your opinion about what should be considered as fair play is also clouded by your irrational dislike of Masha. - Every WTA player plays to win with the means necessary as long they are within the rules - You can not accuse a specific player for unfairness - gamesmanship or cheating without hard evidence like a code violation or heavy fines for unacceptable conduct

Masha is probably not the most gifted and/or talented player on the tour but she sure has optimized the talent she has to the full - With 5 slams and a number of other titles I think she deserves some respect even from her most rabid haters instead of these irrational accusations