The chase for # of slams and weeks at no.1

[Nadalfan2013]

You're predicting today that he'll hold the number 1 ranking for 2 straight years even though (a) he's never done that and is now pushing 34 and (b) you have no idea at all of next year's results of any of the players. Amazing stuff.

People said this about Serena but she still did half of her accomplishments in her 30’s. Nadal will do the same. Amazing stuff indeed.

 

[Front242]

People said this about Serena but she still did half of her accomplishments in her 30’s. Nadal will do the same. Amazing stuff indeed.

The WTA is in no way comparable to the ATP ffs. Every damn match is best of 3 mickey mouse stuff.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

The WTA is in no way comparable to the ATP ffs. Every damn match is best of 3 mickey mouse stuff.

The point is, you already said before that Nadal won't win anything in his 30's, but he's already at 5 slams by 33. If he stays healthy he can easily win another 4-5 slams. In fact because you're saying that he won't he most likely will, cause you're always wrong about him.

 

[Front242]

The point is, you already said before that Nadal won't win anything in his 30's, but he's already at 5 slams by 33. If he stays healthy he can easily win another 4-5 slams. In fact because you're saying that he won't he most likely will, cause you're always wrong about him.

Where the hell did I EVER state Nadal won't win anything in his 30's? Are you for real? I'm right about a hell of a lot of things about him btw.

 

[Moxie]

I'm right about a hell of a lot of things about him btw.

I disagree with this statement, even though in your closed mind you are.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I've said that I think he can win Majors and stay relevant for some time yet, but I'm referring to the conversation we've been having relative to the competition, of which you think he'll have none for the next 5 years. You can't ignore that post-30 there is a certain diminishment of skills, while at 19, 20, 21 and even older, players are still on an upswing. My point is not Tsitsipas, per se, but that there is a field coming into its own, and, as with last night, they could be an increasing danger to knock out the old guard. As I said above, Stefanos may not win Shanghai, but he has kept Novak from winning it. Likewise, he didn't win the AO this year, but he prevented Fed, the defending champ, for winning it.

Yes, the field is coming. But, the points will be distributed among the field. Novak being more consistent, even if prone to occasional upsets, might end up keeping his #1 for several weeks, even if his points are only of the order of say 6000, instead of like over 10,000 that Roger used to have in his heyday.

 

[Moxie]

Yes, the field is coming. But, the points will be distributed among the field. Novak being more consistent, even if prone to occasional upsets, might end up keeping his #1 for several weeks, even if his points are only of the order of say 6000, instead of like over 10,000 that Roger used to have in his heyday.

Agreed, but I'm not talking about the #1. I think we all believe Novak will get the crown for that. I'm talking about Majors in the end. I think the field will cause increasing more disruptions, which doesn't mean that there are no more majors for the Big 3, but that they will disrupt more and more often.

 

[shawnbm]

It looks like both records will fall barring a tremendous year next year for Roger a la 2017

 

[Moxie]

It looks like both records will fall barring a tremendous year next year for Roger a la 2017

Oh, they will. The question is who comes out with the most Majors, at the end of this era: Nadal or Djokovic?

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Oh, they will. The question is who comes out with the most Majors, at the end of this era: Nadal or Djokovic?

It’s the opposite. The question mark is really about the number one ranking. Djokovic will lose the number one ranking this year and might not get it back. Nadal will keep it for a while and most likely it will be Medvedev who will get it after that.

But Djokovic still has a shot to actually add a few more weeks eventually and beat Federer’s record but it’s definitely a big question mark for that particular record.

As for the slam record it will definitely go to Nadal, there’s absolutely no doubt about that. It won’t even be close.

 

[Moxie]

It’s the opposite. The question mark is really about the number one ranking. Djokovic will lose the number one ranking this year and might not get it back. Nadal will keep it for a while and most likely it will be Medvedev who will get it after that.

But Djokovic still has a shot to actually add a few more weeks eventually and beat Federer’s record but it’s definitely a big question mark for that particular record.

As for the slam record it will definitely go to Nadal, there’s absolutely no doubt about that. It won’t even be close.

Give up on the #1 for Rafa. Fed will always have consecutive weeks. Novak will probably get the most total. I hope Rafa gets YE#1 this year, though. Having been sandwiched in between Roger and Novak, and having lost so much time to injury, he didn't get the weeks at #1 they had, especially the free ones. Another YE#1 would help tell the story better.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Give up on the #1 for Rafa. Fed will always have consecutive weeks. Novak will probably get the most total. I hope Rafa gets YE#1 this year, though. Having been sandwiched in between Roger and Novak, and having lost so much time to injury, he didn't get the weeks at #1 they had, especially the free ones. Another YE#1 would help tell the story better.

I never talked about Nadal getting most weeks at no.1. I said that with Nadal getting the no.1 this year and into next year, and perhaps Medvedev making a move for no.1 after him, maybe Djokovic won't go back to no.1 again. So I disagree with you when you say "we all believe that Novak will get that record"... Federer might hold on to it.

I agree with you about the importance of Nadal getting a 5th year end no.1. It will be huge. I also agree with how his injuries lost him many weeks at no.1 and also helped his rivals add some. But by the end of this year he could be at 200+ weeks and 5 year end no.1s and that's amazing.

What matters most by far is the slam record and IMO at this point he has the best shot. Federer is almost finished and Djokovic is struggling with the new generation of players. Nadal seems to have a unique game that will keep causing trouble for everyone and he already is 3 slams ahead of Djokovic, I see him winning a few more slams.

 

[Andy22]

I agree with everything moxie+nadalfan2013 said they speak the truth.

 

[Front242]

I never talked about Nadal getting most weeks at no.1. I said that with Nadal getting the no.1 this year and into next year, and perhaps Medvedev making a move for no.1 after him, maybe Djokovic won't go back to no.1 again. So I disagree with you when you say "we all believe that Novak will get that record"... Federer might hold on to it.

I agree with you about the importance of Nadal getting a 5th year end no.1. It will be huge. I also agree with how his injuries lost him many weeks at no.1 and also helped his rivals add some. But by the end of this year he could be at 200+ weeks and 5 year end no.1s and that's amazing.

What matters most by far is the slam record and IMO at this point he has the best shot. Federer is almost finished and Djokovic is struggling with the new generation of players. Nadal seems to have a unique game that will keep causing trouble for everyone and he already is 3 slams ahead of Djokovic, I see him winning a few more slams.

Djokovic isn't struggling with the new generation of players at slams. If you want to go down that route though, Medvedev was giving Nadal hell at the USO. Medvedev causes Djokovic a lot of problems but so far none of them have knocked Djokovic out of a slam, including Medvedev so your point above has no bearing on the impact at the slams.

 

[Andy22]

Djokovic isn't struggling with the new generation of players at slams. If you want to go down that route though, Medvedev was giving Nadal hell at the USO. Medvedev causes Djokovic a lot of problems but so far none of them have knocked Djokovic out of a slam, including Medvedev so your point above has no bearing on the impact at the slams.

true but its only a matter of time before next gen start beating Djokovic at slams as well but nobody knows then this will happen my opinion next season.

 

[Front242]

true but its only a matter of time before next gen start beating Djokovic at slams as well but nobody knows then this will happen my opinion next season.

Let's be real here. It's only a matter of time before they start beating ALL the big 3 at slams. You act like Nadal is so superior to everyone. Medvedev will possibly knock out one of the big 3 in the near future. Maybe even at the AO.

 

[Andy22]

Let's be real here. It's only a matter of time before they start beating ALL the big 3 at slams. You act like Nadal is so superior to everyone. Medvedev will possibly knock out one of the big 3 in the near future. Maybe even at the AO.

for once I argee with you feel like one of the big 3 going to get knock out at AO 2020 we both hoping its not Federer nadal].

 

[Front242]

for once I argee with you feel like one of the big 3 going to get knock out at AO 2020 we both hoping its not Federer nadal].

If the court plays fast this year then he can beat any of the top 3. He has a big serve which will be even harder to return if the courts play fast.

 

[shawnbm]

Oh, they will. The question is who comes out with the most Majors, at the end of this era: Nadal or Djokovic?

It will only haunt Roger more knowing he had two championship points at his favorite for a ninth title and lost. That can scandalize a brain—any brain

 

[calitennis127]

I've said that I think he can win Majors and stay relevant for some time yet, but I'm referring to the conversation we've been having relative to the competition, of which you think he'll have none for the next 5 years. You can't ignore that post-30 there is a certain diminishment of skills, while at 19, 20, 21 and even older, players are still on an upswing. My point is not Tsitsipas, per se, but that there is a field coming into its own, and, as with last night, they could be an increasing danger to knock out the old guard. As I said above, Stefanos may not win Shanghai, but he has kept Novak from winning it. Likewise, he didn't win the AO this year, but he prevented Fed, the defending champ, for winning it.

How have Federer's "skills" diminished post-30? Better yet, how have the skills of Djokovic diminished post-30? His 2018 season was infinitely better than his 2017 season despite him being a year older. And this year, the guys he lost to in numerous events were not early 20's young (see Bautista-Agut and Wawrinka).

You are assuming that just because Tsitsipas beat Djokovic at Shanghai that he is going to be a huge problem going forward. Why? And why can't Djokovic adjust and hit back? You make it sound like Djokovic will be hopelessly unable to adjust or do anything to improve in his H2H series with Tsitsipas if Tsitsipas does start beating him on a regular basis. That is beyond ridiculous.

If Federer had your mentality, he never would have went on a 5-match win streak against Nadal post-35. Your logic here is ridiculous, and according to it, Nadal at 33 should not have beaten a 23-year-old Medvedev. Like I have said many times, it's a good thing Nadal does not think anything like you or Broken because he never would have had the success he did if he had. The same goes for Federer and his post-35 success, which included winning two majors in 5-set matches and beating Nadal 5 times in a row.