The Battle for YE #1

[GameSetAndMath]

We know Berdych can't beat Novak. So, all hopes now rest on Stan.

Man, Please help fellow Swiss.lease:

I think you are hoping Stan beats Nole and finishes 1st in the group. Roger goes 3:0 and faces Nole in the semi and then beats him, then wins the title undefeated. I think that is your best scenario? Man you are going to sweat for 5-6 more days:laydownlaughing unless Roger loses tomorrow. I think for your sake, that's what should happen.:snigger

Don't attempt to read my mind. I have even more devious designs.

I actually want Novak to win his group and Roger to win his group too. I would like Kei to finish second and then finish Nole in SF. Then Fed should defeat Kei in the finals and then claim YE #1.

Looking forward to see how this one plays out for you!

In case you don't realize, I am not predicting this. It is just pure wishful thinking. I am
realistic enough to admit that Roger's chances of finishing YE #1 is probably about 1% or so.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

After all of those happened in 2000, Kuerten became YE #1 with just 75 points lead.
Guerten 4195 compared to Marat 4120 (points as per old system where GS gets you
only a 1000). Here is a partial list of rankings at the end of 2000.

1 Kuerten, Gustavo (BRA) 4,195
2 Safin, Marat (RUS) 4,120
3 Sampras, Pete (USA) 3,385
4 Norman, Magnus (SWE) 3,110
5 Kafelnikov, Yevgeny (RUS) 2,935
6 Agassi, Andre (USA) 2,765
7 Hewitt, Lleyton (AUS) 2,625
8 Corretja, Alex (ESP) 2,475
29. Federer, Roger (SUI) 1,080

The WTF championship match really decided the winner, even though the two contenders
were not directly fighting with each other.

 

[Fiero425]

After all of those happened in 2000, Kuerten became YE #1 with just 75 points lead.
Guerten 4195 compared to Marat 4120 (points as per old system where GS gets you
only a 1000). Here are the top 8 at the end of 2000.

1 Kuerten, Gustavo (BRA) 4,195 0 23
2 Safin, Marat (RUS) 4,120 0 30
3 Sampras, Pete (USA) 3,385 0 16
4 Norman, Magnus (SWE) 3,110 0 26
5 Kafelnikov, Yevgeny (RUS) 2,935 0 32
6 Agassi, Andre (USA) 2,765 0 19
7 Hewitt, Lleyton (AUS) 2,625 0 21
8 Corretja, Alex (ESP) 2,475

The WTF championship match really decided the winner, even though the two contenders
were not directly fighting with each other.

This is why I've had such a problem with today's male pros! For too long you've had the same 3 dominating; others not even close! With Murray winning a major and the Olympics, he still didn't move up! There are plenty of players who have the game, but they must have fluff in their brains when it comes to finishing off Roger, Nole, & Rafa all too often! Kei was unlucky enough to get injured when he was murdering Rafa in Madrid on clay earlier this year, but he probably would have choked anyway! :cover :nono :dodgy:

 

[nehmeth]

I think you are hoping Stan beats Nole and finishes 1st in the group. Roger goes 3:0 and faces Nole in the semi and then beats him, then wins the title undefeated. I think that is your best scenario? Man you are going to sweat for 5-6 more days:laydownlaughing unless Roger loses tomorrow. I think for your sake, that's what should happen.:snigger

Don't attempt to read my mind. I have even more devious designs.

I actually want Novak to win his group and Roger to win his group too. I would like Kei to finish second and then finish Nole in SF. Then Fed should defeat Kei in the finals and then claim YE #1.

Looking forward to see how this one plays out for you!

In case you don't realize, I am not predicting this. It is just pure wishful thinking. I am
realistic enough to admit that Roger's chances of finishing YE #1 is probably about 1% or so.

I never attempt to read your mind brother, and didn't for a moment think you'd make such a prediction.

 

[Kieran]

I was away, so let's hope I update this right:

WTF (12 November):

1. Novak Djokovic (RR+1) 10060
2. Roger Federer (RR+2) 9100

Novak leads by 960 points.


Novak needs 2 victories in London to win the race.

He plays tomorrow.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

One of the nice things about The Battle for YE #1 is that it is tanking proof in the WTF. Neither
Roger nor Novak nor any other player would have any incentive in tanking their matches
independent of who it is against.

If Roger wins the WTF and Novak fails at SF with a RR record of 2-1, then Novak will be leading by just 60 points. This would mean that Roger just needs to win one live rubber at DC finals against
France to clinch the YE #1. As Roger does not need the second live rubber, Stan does not
have to tank his first live rubber and the Swiss team does not have to tank their doubles match either just to help out Roger getting to YE #1.

So, three cheers to tank proof WTF and DCF.

 

[Billie]

We know Berdych can't beat Novak. So, all hopes now rest on Stan.

Man, Please help fellow Swiss.lease:

I think you are hoping Stan beats Nole and finishes 1st in the group. Roger goes 3:0 and faces Nole in the semi and then beats him, then wins the title undefeated. I think that is your best scenario? Man you are going to sweat for 5-6 more days:laydownlaughing unless Roger loses tomorrow. I think for your sake, that's what should happen.:snigger

My man stays alive. Next, it is all up to The Man. lease:lease:lease:

:laydownlaughing You make me laugh!

You do realize that even IF Nole loses to Stan the Man, he is still very much alive in the race?

Andy on the other hand can make things interesting on Thursday but I am not holding my breath for it and I want Nole to determine everything himself.

 

[ydnar]

One thing to remember is there are two governing bodies that give out YE No. 1's.... the ATP and the ITF. Last year the two organizations split the title between Nadal and Djokovic. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. If Fed is within a few hundreds points in one, he could be over in the other. I'm thinking that if Federer wins the YE Championship this week, the ITF will award him YE No. 1... regardless of what the ATP does.

 

[Fiero425]

One thing to remember is there are two governing bodies that give out YE No. 1's.... the ATP and the ITF. Last year the two organizations split the title between Nadal and Djokovic. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. If Fed is within a few hundreds points in one, he could be over in the other. I'm thinking that if Federer wins the YE Championship this week, the ITF will award him YE No. 1... regardless of what the ATP does.

They could do it, but it would be ridiculous IMO! Nole beat him at Wimbledon, has had a stellar record on the ATP winning several Masters, and had better things to do than play as much as Roger! Quality vs Quantity huh? :dodgy:

 

[GameSetAndMath]

One thing to remember is there are two governing bodies that give out YE No. 1's.... the ATP and the ITF. Last year the two organizations split the title between Nadal and Djokovic. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. If Fed is within a few hundreds points in one, he could be over in the other. I'm thinking that if Federer wins the YE Championship this week, the ITF will award him YE No. 1... regardless of what the ATP does.

Actually, it will be the other way. ITF will give the "player of the year" award to Djokovic
independent of who ends up as YE #1. This is because ITF gives its awards based on performance
in ITF events ONLY (such as grand slams) and Novak clearly performed better than Fed
in that.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I am now ready to give the YE #1 trophy to Novak.

Can we close this thread. :cover

 

[tented]

I am now ready to give the YE #1 trophy to Novak.

Can we close this thread. :cover

Yeah, it's all but over with Novak needing to win only one more match -- against a guy he has a 16-2 head-to-head.

 

[Denis]

I am now ready to give the YE #1 trophy to Novak.

Can we close this thread. :cover

Yeah, Kieran was needlessly riling people up here with this. :snigger

 

[Kieran]

Let's go. As I said before, maths isn't my strong suit.

WTF (12 November):

1. Novak Djokovic (RR+2) 10260
2. Roger Federer (RR+2) 9100

Novak leads by 1160 points.


Novak needs 1 more victory in London to win the race.

Roger plays Muzza tomorrow.

 

[DarthFed]

This race was realistically over as soon as Paris was done. Roger needed to make the final there to have a realistic chance. Needing Nole to go 2-1 in round robin and lose in the semis was unrealistic here. Had Roger made the Paris final and lost to Nole he still would likely be #1 by winning YEC.

Still hope for Roger to win YEC outright but it would be tough vs. Nole on a slow hard court. Wish they were still playing YEC in Shanghai.

 

[tented]

This race was realistically over as soon as Paris was over. Roger needed to make the final there to have a realistic chance. Needing Nole to go 2-1 in round robin and lose in the semis was unrealistic here.

Still hope for Roger to win YEC outright but it would be tough vs. Nole on a slow hard court. Wish they were still playing YEC in Shanghai.

So it would be better if they changed courts to suit your guy, huh? Hmm ... let me think ... that reminds me of something ...

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

2 wins recorded..1 to go. is skeletor going to stop djokovic claiming year end no1 ?. no.

 

[Billie]

I am now ready to give the YE #1 trophy to Novak.

Can we close this thread. :cover

I didn't know you were the presenter of the trophy.

Come on, the race is interesting and it is not over yet technically. :nono

 

[Billie]

Still hope for Roger to win YEC outright but it would be tough vs. Nole on a slow hard court. Wish they were still playing YEC in Shanghai.

I think Nole won this thing in Shanghai once, didn't he? He has lots of problems with Cinci, New York, Dubai, grass, other quick surfaces so it's not like all the courts are best for him only. Not to mention his problems with very slow surfaces, like RG.

Anyway Nole's indoor winning streak is the third-longest of all-time, according to the ATP. Here are the top five:

1. John McEnroe 59
2. Ivan Lendl 37
3. Novak Djokovic 29
4. Roger Federer 26
5. Boris Becker 19

Wow at McEnroe and Lendl, that is going to be awfully hard to come close to.:exclamation:

Nole is also bidding to become the first man to three-peat at this event in nearly 30 years.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

^3-in-a-row ?..yes ivan lendl won 85,86,87. though the crazy schedules back then saw the 1985 wtf/masters held in jan1986 where sadly McEnroe went awol after losing to brad gilbert.

some of the tennis calenders in the 1980s were mental..no wonder it was so confusing to tennis fans like me armed with only sporadic bbc matches/highlights, and gleaning year round strange information from my dads 'daily telegraph' (which did have decent all year coverage)..and my friends ceefax/teletext service on his telly.