Speculation on the Men's Calendar for the Next Foreseeable Future

Which tournaments do you think have the greatest chance of being cancelled/postponed?

  • Miami

    Votes: 8 72.7%
  • Marrakesh

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Houston

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • Monte Carlo

    Votes: 8 72.7%
  • Barcelona

    Votes: 5 45.5%
  • Hungary Open

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Estoril

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Munich

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Madrid

    Votes: 4 36.4%
  • Rome

    Votes: 10 90.9%
  • Roland Garros

    Votes: 5 45.5%
  • Wimbledon

    Votes: 4 36.4%
  • Tokyo Olympic Games

    Votes: 6 54.5%
  • US Open

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Davis Cup in July

    Votes: 2 18.2%

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Vince Evert

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I just addressed this above, but I would ask you to look at current numbers. Just because NY took a big hit in the beginning, we're in a good place right now. The 2nd wave hasn't come yet. Who knows when it does? There is always a possibility to cancel, if things get bad in the next couple of weeks, but NY is in a better place than most in the US.


Divide this thing so the women play in another state and the men in New York and make the USO a week long best of 3 sets only event dropping the first and second rounds (less time spent in New York, the better).
 

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sorry but NY can not keep the covid 19 out a second wave will hit same stage it is the worst hit country after All we hope its not at us open for the players, no there is safe NO matter that you say.
Please translate that into English when you get a sec.
 

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Divide this thing so the women play in another state and the men in New York and make the USO a week long best of 3 sets only event dropping the first and second rounds (less time spent in New York, the better).
I really kind of hate that you say, "the less time spent in NY, the better." New York is one of the states that's doing better in the US, did you not know that? We've flattened our curve here. And where would you suggest the women play, then? It's the USO, after all. I don't see why the women should play elsewhere. You haven't read the protocols, I take it. They have minimized some events in order to keep the distancing possible. No mixed doubles. No singles players can play doubles. Wheelchair and juniors will be at the end. (or maybe no juniors.) There will be very strict precautions taken, including distancing in locker rooms, and the players have to stick to their hotels and the tennis center.
 

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I think the most important thing is to give Nadal a chance to get number 20 at the USO and 21 at RG. After that they can cancel tennis forever as far as I’m concerned.
 
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As a health professional and working in ICU with COVID-19 patients,to me is to get the numbers down World Wide.
Until we get a vaccine that works,which could take up to 2 years,we have to be able to live with this virus,that means 'social distancing,wearing masks,gloves.
I do not think America has put in the correct COVID-10 protocols full stop,they should have closed their borders of all their states to begin with,.
To me if any player's want to play in NYC they should go into isolation for 2 weeks before they compete?,that also should be the protocol in Europe for the clay.
The AO in 2021 all players coming will have to isolate for 2 weeks,we have shut our borders,Melbourne and regional Victoria are in the midst of a 'second wave' and they will have to go to level 4 restrictions as they Cannot Stop The Virus from spreading.
This virus is Highly Contagious and the health of people is More Important Than Holding A Tennis Tournament.
 
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I really kind of hate that you say, "the less time spent in NY, the better." New York is one of the states that's doing better in the US, did you not know that? We've flattened our curve here. And where would you suggest the women play, then? It's the USO, after all. I don't see why the women should play elsewhere. You haven't read the protocols, I take it. They have minimized some events in order to keep the distancing possible. No mixed doubles. No singles players can play doubles. Wheelchair and juniors will be at the end. (or maybe no juniors.) There will be very strict precautions taken, including distancing in locker rooms, and the players have to stick to their hotels and the tennis center.


Fine then, proceed. But if this virus should mutate a week out it's start date , tournament would have to be cancelled for 2020. No if's or but's about it.
 

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There is a second wave - and until vaccines are found and proven to be effective, there may well be a third and fourth too as it mutates each time, in 2021, let's not kid ourselves about this. Therefore as it stands, they should drop the US Open in New York as it's JUST NOT SAFE to have it there this year. Couldn't they contest this at some other state or city that is considered the safest?

That is the main reason that Ash Barty will not play in NYC,she fears it is not safe for her or her team,which I understand.
 

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I think the most important thing is to give Nadal a chance to get number 20 at the USO and 21 at RG. After that they can cancel tennis forever as far as I’m concerned.
I agree with your wise post if usta and french tennis want too be greedy, at least Nadal should get major 20 which he would already have if not for the covid-19 how lucky can federer get.
 
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As a health professional and working in ICU with COVID-19 patients,to me is to get the numbers down World Wide.
Until we get a vaccine that works,which could take up to 2 years,we have to be able to live with this virus,that means 'social distancing,wearing masks,gloves.
I do not think America has put in the correct COVID-10 protocols full stop,they should have closed their borders of all their states to begin with,.
To me if any player's want to play in NYC they should go into isolation for 2 weeks before they compete?,that also should be the protocol in Europe for the clay.
The AO in 2021 all players coming will have to isolate for 2 weeks,we have shut our borders,Melbourne and regional Victoria are in the midst of a 'second wave' and they will have to go to level 4 restrictions as they Cannot Stop The Virus from spreading.
This virus is Highly Contagious and the health of people is More Important Than Holding A Tennis Tournament.
NYC is respecting much of those same protocols. Why are we such a pariah? Some people here can't keep up with the news. I'm not making light of this pandemic, but you seem to have missed my point that there are plenty of tennis professionals who will no longer have a career, if this goes on too long. If you think Australia can do it well enough with careful protocols, why not NYC?
 

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That is the main reason that Ash Barty will not play in NYC,she fears it is not safe for her or her team,which I understand.


Good move. Is the virus situation looking better and safe in Paris? She can defend her title if it has.

Hey Margaret , do you know about or ever heard the phrase "The Longest Day" in tennis?
 
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NYC is respecting much of those same protocols. Why are we such a pariah? Some people here can't keep up with the news. I'm not making light of this pandemic, but you seem to have missed my point that there are plenty of tennis professionals who will no longer have a career, if this goes on too long. If you think Australia can do it well enough with careful protocols, why not NYC?
because Austrailan open five months away woman, us open is this month its much closer, Also NYC have lot people who don,t follow the rules it does not matter how safe protocols are covid-19 can go though anything it does not care. only takes one person to wreak everything, you are making light of the Covid-19, lifes are more important at the end of the day. also speak in English so we understand LOL
 

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Fine then, proceed. But if this virus should mutate a week out it's start date , tournament would have to be cancelled for 2020. No if's or but's about it.
I don't understand your facile notion of the science. That the virus might mutate within a week of the tournament. I don't think it works that simply. This is not a sci-fi film. The virus, as I understand it, came in in a very virulent strain. It killed it's hosts immediately. That's not an effective virus, because it can't survive that way, if it kills off its hosts too quickly. So the next wave was a version that didn't kill as quickly, or effectively, so that it could proliferate, and that's the one we've been fighting. Less deadly, but still highly contagious. And that's the problem...if it doesn't kill all of its hosts, it has the chance to spread. Cunning little bastards.

But no one knows if the next wave will be just because we have been incautious, or if the virus has mutated. But I will say this: AGAIN...NY is doing well right now, and the fake-Cincy is scheduled to start in just a few weeks. If tennis can pull this part off, responsibly, then they may have learned something about how to work in the pandemic. For sure they will take all precautions, and they will screen and test regularly. If there is an outbreak within the bubble, I'm sure they'll pull the plug. But what if they can pull it off successfully, and keep people working? And they keep using models that work, carefully and without outbreak?
 
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NYC is respecting much of those same protocols. Why are we such a pariah? Some people here can't keep up with the news. I'm not making light of this pandemic, but you seem to have missed my point that there are plenty of tennis professionals who will no longer have a career, if this goes on too long. If you think Australia can do it well enough with careful protocols, why not NYC?

Well if their health is at risk they may not have a tennis career,I will try and find the post that Dimitrov posted and how it has affected him? his fatique and his lungs,he was a healthy young person to begin with,some people who have contracted this virus in March cannot walk more than 15 minutes and have to rest,we Do Not Know At This Stage What Long Term Damage It Does To Lungs
One patient told me 'he felt he was drowning and could not breathe'?
No I do not think here in Australia we have done enough with protocals,we have people here who have put other people at risk,bascially because they are Selfish and Self Centered.People in Melbourne got tested and still went to work? I have No Words for these people,just because some of the restrictions were eased,people went haywire,that is why Melbourne is facing a '2nd wave pandemic' and they will have to go into restrictions 4.
 

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I don't understand your facile notion of the science. That the virus might mutate within a week of the tournament. I don't think it works that simply. This is not a sci-fi film. The virus, as I understand it, came in in a very virulent strain. It killed it's hosts immediately. That's not an effective virus, because it can't survive that way, if it kills off its hosts too quickly. So the next wave was a version that didn't kill as quickly, or effectively, so that it could proliferate, and that's the one we've been fighting. Less deadly, but still highly contagious. And that's the problem...if it doesn't kill all of its hosts, it has the chance to spread. Cunning little bastards.

But no one knows if the next wave will be just because we have been incautious, or if the virus has mutated. But I will say this: AGAIN...NY is doing well right now, and the fake-Cincy is scheduled to start in just a few weeks. If tennis can pull this part off, responsibly, then they may have learned something about how to work in the pandemic. For sure they will take all precautions, and they will screen and test regularly. If there is an outbreak within the bubble, I'm sure they'll pull the plug. But what if they can pull it off successfully, and keep people working? And they keep using models that work, carefully and without outbreak?
Vince Event is right just because its safe right now, does not mean it will be safe by the time us open starts, or mid way though the event don,t need be so salty woman we just want the players to be safe and NCY not 100% safe NO matter that you say NO city is. thats why Nadal might not play and other players have already said they are not going to play. big city's like NYC or Melbourne have A lot of people who don,t care about the rules only themselves which is why country towns are doing really well here in Austraila.
 

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because Austrailan open five months away woman, us open is this month its much closer, Also NYC have lot people who don,t follow the rules it does not matter how safe protocols are covid-19 can go though anything it does not care. only takes one person to wreak everything, you are making light of the Covid-19, lifes are more important at the end of the day.
Here's where you're wrong, on two fronts: it doesn't matter that the AO is 5 months away, because there will still be no vaccine. And you are wrong about people not following the rules in NYC. I live here. We were ground zero in the US, and we have taken it very seriously. We DO follow the rules, and we have flattened our curve. You're mistaking us with places like Florida and Georgia and even Los Angeles and Texas where people don't go in for mask-wearing or respecting physical distancing. Those are the places that are suffering right now. We're in a good place in New York. And we aren't getting complacent about it, either. People here are mostly used to doing the right thing, and we keep it going. Mostly everyone here wears a mask. You can't go into a shop or get into a cab without one. We practice physical distancing, and in a city this dense, it really is a dance. And when we don't have to be somewhere, we are still staying at home. There is still a lot of lockdown going on here. Please stop acting like NYC is the epicenter of the virus in the US. Far from it. In my business, film industry, everyone wants to shoot here right now because all of the other US film centers are hot spots. And my industry is leading-edge of respecting work protocols. I do believe tennis can do it, too, if they do it right.
 

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Well if their health is at risk they may not have a tennis career,I will try and find the post that Dimitrov posted and how it has affected him? his fatique and his lungs,he was a healthy young person to begin with,some people who have contracted this virus in March cannot walk more than 15 minutes and have to rest,we Do Not Know At This Stage What Long Term Damage It Does To Lungs
One patient told me 'he felt he was drowning and could not breathe'?
No I do not think here in Australia we have done enough with protocals,we have people here who have put other people at risk,bascially because they are Selfish and Self Centered.People in Melbourne got tested and still went to work? I have No Words for these people,just because some of the restrictions were eased,people went haywire,that is why Melbourne is facing a '2nd wave pandemic' and they will have to go into restrictions 4.
I also understand that there are lingering health effects of this virus, which is something that is being too much ignored. I am not in the least saying not to take it seriously, but I'm also saying that we can't just stay at home for the next 18 more months. I am back to work, but with a great deal of caution. I am in a kind of a bubble with a certain number of crew, but we know that's not perfect, and we don't let our guard down. Three weeks now, and no one is sick, but we're demanding everyone take a test. I have my first COVID test in the next few days...wish me luck!
 

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I also understand that there are lingering health effects of this virus, which is something that is being too much ignored. I am not in the least saying not to take it seriously, but I'm also saying that we can't just stay at home for the next 18 more months. I am back to work, but with a great deal of caution. I am in a kind of a bubble with a certain number of crew, but we know that's not perfect, and we don't let our guard down. Three weeks now, and no one is sick, but we're demanding everyone take a test. I have my first COVID test in the next few days...wish me luck!

I totally understand the effect this virus has and will have on people in the work place,yes we can't stay at home indefinitely,apart from the financial aspects,the mental aspects,also it does weaken one's immune system.We might not ever have a vaccine,I hope we do,in the meantime if there is a 'cluster outbreak' and there will be one's in the present and future,we all have to be Most Diligent in making sure we are practising social distancing,washing hands,wearing of gloves and masks,especially on public transport,shopping malls etc.
If there has to be tighter restrictions,we will all have to be prepared to live with them.
 
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Here's where you're wrong, on two fronts: it doesn't matter that the AO is 5 months away, because there will still be no vaccine. And you are wrong about people not following the rules in NYC. I live here. We were ground zero in the US, and we have taken it very seriously. We DO follow the rules, and we have flattened our curve. You're mistaking us with places like Florida and Georgia and even Los Angeles and Texas where people don't go in for mask-wearing or respecting physical distancing. Those are the places that are suffering right now. We're in a good place in New York. And we aren't getting complacent about it, either. People here are mostly used to doing the right thing, and we keep it going. Mostly everyone here wears a mask. You can't go into a shop or get into a cab without one. We practice physical distancing, and in a city this dense, it really is a dance. And when we don't have to be somewhere, we are still staying at home. There is still a lot of lockdown going on here. Please stop acting like NYC is the epicenter of the virus in the US. Far from it. In my business, film industry, everyone wants to shoot here right now because all of the other US film centers are hot spots. And my industry is leading-edge of respecting work protocols. I do believe tennis can do it, too, if they do it right.
LIKE I SAID in my other post just because its safe now does not mean its always going to be in NYC also I hope your right about Us open I want to see A 2020 us open where everyone is safe, so its not like I dont want to happen I would be with you if its 100% safe. second dont talk to me like I know why that states are better in US I dont live there so clearly would be right about that stuff. finally do you know every single person in NYC? NO so you can not say its 100% safe which is all I care about I like NYC and would like go where one day by the way. and your wrong about the Covid-19 bill gates is close to a vaccine its clear to everyone lol.
 

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Vince Event is right just because its safe right now, does not mean it will be safe by the time us open starts, or mid way though the event don,t need be so salty woman we just want the players to be safe and NCY not 100% safe NO matter that you say NO city is. thats why Nadal might not play and other players have already said they are not going to play. big city's like NYC or Melbourne have A lot of people who don,t care about the rules only themselves which is why country towns are doing really well here in Austraila.
I'm not being salty. But there is no 100% safe. Not even outside of pandemic. Life is fraught with peril. If you feel like big cities are scary places, that's on you. But don't tell me that people here don't care about the rules. I live here and you don't. I've told you how seriously it is being taken here. You will believe what you want to, but don't tell me what it's like where I live, as if you know, thank you. I recognize that everyone has their own threshold of fear and anxiety in this pandemic. I respect that. Some of us feel that, with caution and good protocols, we can go out and work, and be safe, within the margin of error. Others feel it's not time. Everyone should have the right to choose, and without prejudice or judgement, but everyone just staying home forever until there's a vaccine is also not a very practical option. And believe me, when I'm not doing what I absolutely must do, we're still isolated here at home. We're in this for the long haul, but we do venture out.