Soccer/Football, The Beautiful Game

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

^^ooooooh no need to be rude old bean. if you want to see a jerk look in the mirror, do not point out individual results that I know (I can remember stuff uh huhh) as if it justifies the drippy gimpy guff you poast it does not), unless you enjoy sounding subnormal.

and you still cannot read. I said Bayern did not have the players for tiki taka or iniesta..xavi does not play as much nowadays, if you think tiki taka works with robben then you clearly have no clue about anything. he is a top player..up to a point and in a more direct style as is Thomas Mueller but Mueller is better. tt wont work with robben he ruins it.

look past results ?..I did, but the fact remains that either teams win or they do not. and if they do not it does not mean teams have "found out tiki taka" and don't start with "but for the referee then someone else wouldve won" so what?, they did not. you could do that with a lot of incidents in matches, and if you want to go down that road lets give the 2010 title to barca and not inter seeing as they had to drive overnight by coach to Milan because of the volcano dust cloud.and had a winning goal disallowed in 2nd leg that puts them in that final and not inter Milan. that sounds as wet as what you claim for Chelsea. (whaaaa sob..we wuz robbed of 600 pens, we are all gonna cry and swear into the camera)

i'm not in denial, you are being thick, so what if real Madrid beat them last season. they still didn't win the league..remind me who won again? (lol), so counter attacking park the bus football cannot happen any more ? wrong..tiki taka finished ?..wrong..both viewpoints are silly and ill thought through hagridden nonsense.

what the feck have Madrid done for you to come out with that one eye gimpy guff you poast ?..one league title a kings cup and zero champions league titles..wow. maybe madrids "blueprint" is not so amazing as you claim, they won vs Bayern because di maria/Ronaldo/bale are quick and caught out Bayern. who were only playing tiki taka-lite.

Barcelona are at the end of an era. some are past it a bit, some lost focus, neymar has not fitted in all that well, and that martini/martino clown in charge is on the rocks with a slice of lemon for brains and will be sacked in a few weeks. tikitaka is not over, wake up.

any system has limitations and pointing that out is meaningless. it is like saying when the sun shines..it is sunny. lol come on. or like saying Federer was finished/washed up in late 2008[ early 2009.

both styles work, if one does not work for a bit it does not mean it will not work again..a style that brings more success for barca/spain than any other system is not finished against a reactionary defensive system that it its peak only works occasionally. and when it fails then (park the bus) looks like pathetic scared anti-football vomit.

 

[brokenshoelace]

^^ I'm sorry but this was either written by a child or an idiot.

PS: When you accuse people of not being able to read, make sure you don't the same, as I clearly said you adapt a system to the players you have, and not vice versa. Meaning that because of players like Robben and Ribery, you DO NOT play Tiki-taka at Bayern since it's limiting them.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

^^I'd say you were the subnormal one..its not the tiki taka that's at fault, Christ you are so thick, I know you said that about Bayern/players mr brain damage but Bayern decided to hire guardiola..not me, they knew what they were getting. did they really think he was going to play anything else ? I didn't really think I needed to point that out to you as well as everything else..

its not tiki taka that is finished, he players were not up to it. you cannot blame the system when Bayern hired pep and for whatever reason didn't have the right players. you could blame the coach or the club itself. not the system.

its the equivalent of blaming ice cubes for melting when you leave them out in the hot sun. it was always going to happen.

they hired him because they wanted that style..but the wrong players are in the crucial positions. guardiola just carries on with what he wants to do..he made the best of it with the players he had.

maybe if Bayern were still at peak form of earlier in season they would have beaten real Madrid despite the technical defects, but Bayern have lost the edge seeing as they won the league a while ago..so its not the system that's at fault its the application of it because of the wrong players and lack of sharpness..plus you have to accept that sometimes whatever system you play the other team will win, and when the other team are real Madrid with the 3 kings (Ronaldo/bale/di maria)..its not such a surprise.

like I said..every system has limitations.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

anyway, this argument had jumped the shark.

 

[brokenshoelace]

^^I'd say you were the subnormal one..its not the tiki taka that's at fault, Christ you are so thick, I know you said that about Bayern/players mr brain damage but Bayern decided to hire guardiola..not me, they knew what they were getting. did they really think he was going to play anything else ? I didn't really think I needed to point that out to you as well as everything else..

its not tiki taka that is finished, he players were not up to it. you cannot blame the system when Bayern hired pep and for whatever reason didn't have the right players. you could blame the coach or the club itself. not the system.

its the equivalent of blaming ice cubes for melting when you leave them out in the hot sun. it was always going to happen.

they hired him because they wanted that style..but the wrong players are in the crucial positions. guardiola just carries on with what he wants to do..he made the best of it with the players he had.

maybe if Bayern were still at peak form of earlier in season they would have beaten real Madrid despite the technical defects, but Bayern have lost the edge seeing as they won the league a while ago..so its not the system that's at fault its the application of it because of the wrong players and lack of sharpness..plus you have to accept that sometimes whatever system you play the other team will win, and when the other team are real Madrid with the 3 kings (Ronaldo/bale/di maria)..its not such a surprise.

like I said..every system has limitations.

Go back, read every post I wrote about the topic. To sum them up:

1- Tiki taka was highly effective and beautiful to watch.
2- Tiki taka still works on the majority of teams.
3- Tiki taka has limitations.
4- Teams are gradually figuring out how to deal with it (that's the main point I'm emphasizing on).
5- Managers need to be adaptable. Just because Guardiola used tiki-taka in Barca doesn't mean he should do the same with Bayern. Your argument implies that every manager plays the same way in every team that he coaches (you think Mourinho parked the bus when he was coaching Madrid the way he does with Chelsea?).

I really don't think any of the above arguments are debatable. I still don't understand what's your problem. Did I say tiki-taka was dead and will never work again?

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

^^no I did not imply every coach should play the same in every team.

I said tiki taka is guardiola's philosophy..he only wants to play that way, maybe he will alter his belief system when he has some more losses, he is still a young manager so he can learn. or if he is stubborn he will not learn.

obviously at Madrid morinho could play more attacking quick football seeing as he had Ronaldo, Chelsea haver a slow eto'o, and misfiring mentally shot torres.

..point 3. is still irrelevant seeing as all systems have limitations. no need to point out a pointless point.

 

[brokenshoelace]

..point 3. is still irrelevant seeing as all systems have limitations. no need to point out a pointless point.

Except I'm discussing what the limitations are, why more teams are better dealing with them, and Guardiola's refusal to address them. It's not pointless at all.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

..point 3. is still irrelevant seeing as all systems have limitations. no need to point out a pointless point.

Except I'm discussing what the limitations are, why more teams are better dealing with them, and Guardiola's refusal to address them. It's not pointless at all.

i told you why it flopped against Madrid, but anyway whatever..guardiola won't stop playing it, Bayern either give him the free reign to change the team as he sees fit or they sack him.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Has anyone watched Liverpool's harakiri? The choke in the last 10 minutes was biblical.

 

[Kieran]

They had a huge run to get where they are, but the sense is that they were stretching themselves. Plus, 49 goals conceded is massive. But this season is a step in the right direction. They may still squeak it, but next season will be interesting. The expectations will be through the roof...

 

[brokenshoelace]

They had a huge run to get where they are, but the sense is that they were stretching themselves. Plus, 49 goals conceded is massive. But this season is a step in the right direction. They may still squeak it, but next season will be interesting. The expectations will be through the roof...

Not if they lose Suarez though. In fairness, if he does leave, it is going to be for some massive amount of money (deservedly so), so Liverpool will make a few good signings with all that cash. But still, he's a match winner and they're going to need him.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Has anyone watched Liverpool's harakiri? The choke in the last 10 minutes was biblical.

I think Liverpool wanted more goals at 0-3 up to reduce the goal diff deficit with man city..went a bit wrong I think,

and now city hammered villa 4-0, only a home draw vs west ham needed for city to claim the prem title.

 

[brokenshoelace]

This dude is quite creative with his goal celebration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlTI2zt_GMI

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

European championship qualifying England v Slovakia: umm..breaking news. *tumbleweed drifts across page*

surname of one of Slovakia's players is 'novakovic' sounds like a dwarf version of our recently crowned ye no1.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Ronaldo recently crowned world player of the year again I see (3rd time), messi was 2nd as he was last year but he still has 4 titles..in fact I think they've won every title since kaka won in 2007 (remember him, lol)..

world cup sensation james/ham-ez rodriguez (won golden boot wc top goalscorer )was down the list, the final nail in coffin of the debate that the world cup is the pinnacle of football..the overall quality of world cup is below at least the latter stages of the champions league.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

harry kane (Tottenham hotspur)..is turning into the new alan shearer. has scored 13 premier lg gls this season after breaking thru last term with 4 prem gls, he's been on loan in previous times so now age 21 he looks prem-ready...and should be making his England debut pretty soon, and seeing as alot of international football is lower quality than the prem (euro-2016 qualifying group is a joke) he should be ok,

international football is more about coping with mental pressure, a lot of England players said they got nervous playing at Wembley etc...

I hope..like sir alan of shearer he stays 'on it' and keeps his focus on football.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

lionel messi scored a hat-trick on his 300th la liga appearance..

300 league apps.
269 league goals.

already at 27yrs broke 50 odd year record of telmo zarra to become la liga's record goalscorer since start in 1929.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Rather uneventful Champions League action this week. Next week should be better.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

yes. Manchester city v Barcelona coming up.

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[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Barcelona made man city look silly. suarez reminded the prem of what he can do..

messi near untouchable..(we won't mention missed pen n heading rebound wide of open goal)..:devil