Sharapova fails drug test

[GameSetAndMath]

Name of ITF President is David Haggerty.

Name of Dominatrix's lawyer is John Haggerty.

Is it just a coincidence or are these two guys related?

Is there a conflict of interest here besides just protecting image of tennis?

 

[tossip]

the world is watching to see if the ITF does anything untoward..she might think she will play Wimbledon but she has a shock coming.

 

[PaintMaria]

That does not support crap. She's a damn cheat and a doper. Are you kidding me she should be banned for the full 4 years. She damn arrongant and felt that she could not be touched and probably thought "no way would they call me out on doping." She has been taking if for years and never stopped taking it until she was caught. Don't know how you can come up with that theory.

I don't think they can prove she took it with full knowledge it had been banned. That she had a high level in the urine indicates very recent use, so she did not stop taking it after 1st January, which she would have done if she had known it to be banned, and the level would be lower but not under 1, which indicates stopping taking the drug more than a month before the test.

That is a lot of assumptions. May be she thought she would not be chosen for testing at AO.
May be she thought she could get away due to her Diva status. May be she just took a calculated risk and it backfired.

Her lawyer will argue that the high level is consistent with very recent use, she will agree that is so, and that she took it near to the test, she will say she knew she would be tested as she was a Top 10 player, she will say she had no idea it had been banned, she will say she would have stopped taking it before January if she had known it was banned. She must be treated as any other player offering that evidence.

It would unfair for extra suspicion to surround her just because who she is.

 

[PaintMaria]

Anyway, think on this. People think it is preposterous that Maria might have heart problems. Look at her shoulders. They are unusually broad, unusually large, and thus her head seems too small. She is unusually tall at 6ft 2in.

Apparently, she was a thin smallish kid, who in 2001 was 5ft 3in, then she had a sudden growth spurt and by 2002 was 5ft 9in, by 2004 6ft, and by 2006 6ft 2in, with shoulders growing broader all the time. Perhaps her growth was not completely natural. Since she grew so much, her heart might have grown as well, perhaps too large. That would cause slack heart muscle and ischemia where some heart muscle would lack blood. If that is so, she would be at risk if she did not have medicine to try to address this problem.

The irony being that these medical problems might have been caused by too much growth.

 

[special700]

Anyway, think on this. People think it is preposterous that Maria might have heart problems. Look at her shoulders. They are unusually broad, unusually large, and thus her head seems too small. She is unusually tall at 6ft 2in.

Apparently, she was a thin smallish kid, who in 2001 was 5ft 3in, then she had a sudden growth spurt and by 2002 was 5ft 9in, by 2004 6ft, and by 2006 6ft 2in, with shoulders growing broader all the time. Perhaps her growth was not completely natural. Since she grew so much, her heart might have grown as well, perhaps too large. That would cause slack heart muscle and ischemia where some heart muscle would lack blood. If that is so, she would be at risk if she did not have medicine to try to address this problem.

The irony being that these medical problems might have been caused by too much growth.

Yea too much HGH..... Think about this...how come we have not heard of this so call heart problem of hers? Hell they never let us forget the 12 min shoulder surgery she had nearly 7yrs ago....stop reaching the girl is a lying cheat and a doper.......

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I don't think they can prove she took it with full knowledge it had been banned. That she had a high level in the urine indicates very recent use, so she did not stop taking it after 1st January, which she would have done if she had known it to be banned, and the level would be lower but not under 1, which indicates stopping taking the drug more than a month before the test.

That is a lot of assumptions. May be she thought she would not be chosen for testing at AO.
May be she thought she could get away due to her Diva status. May be she just took a calculated risk and it backfired.

Her lawyer will argue that the high level is consistent with very recent use, she will agree that is so, and that she took it near to the test, she will say she knew she would be tested as she was a Top 10 player, she will say she had no idea it had been banned, she will say she would have stopped taking it before January if she had known it was banned. She must be treated as any other player offering that evidence.

It would unfair for extra suspicion to surround her just because who she is.

What kind of non-sensical argument is this?

Supposing you drive at 90 mph on highway and when stopped if you tell the cop, "look I did not see the sign that says speed limit is 70 and if I had seen it, I would not have driven at 90". Is that a valid excuse. Ignorance of rules is not an excuse to break it. Otherwise, I could even murder you and claim that I did not know that killing is illegal.

Also, she is not being treated with extra suspicion because who she is. She has admitted to taking it after Jan 1st and so case is closed. The other athletes who got away, got away because they did not admit to taking it after Jan 1st and there is a possibility that they actually stopped it in time and traces of Meldonium appeared in their samples from old usage.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Russian dude Shamil speaks again and says no decision will be reached before mid-may. Last time he proved to be reliable and so we could trust him this time as well.

He is certainly in touch with Maria and so he should be knowing the hearing dates. He says decision will not be made before mid-May. I take that to mean that the hearing dates are before 15th May, as the decision cannot be made before the hearing. As he cannot predict as to how long they will deliberate after the hearing is over, he simply says that there will not be a decision before Mid-may instead of saying decision will be made by mid-May.

 

[PaintMaria]

Anyway, think on this. People think it is preposterous that Maria might have heart problems. Look at her shoulders. They are unusually broad, unusually large, and thus her head seems too small. She is unusually tall at 6ft 2in.

Apparently, she was a thin smallish kid, who in 2001 was 5ft 3in, then she had a sudden growth spurt and by 2002 was 5ft 9in, by 2004 6ft, and by 2006 6ft 2in, with shoulders growing broader all the time. Perhaps her growth was not completely natural. Since she grew so much, her heart might have grown as well, perhaps too large. That would cause slack heart muscle and ischemia where some heart muscle would lack blood. If that is so, she would be at risk if she did not have medicine to try to address this problem.

The irony being that these medical problems might have been caused by too much growth.

Yea too much HGH..... Think about this...how come we have not heard of this so call heart problem of hers? Hell they never let us forget the 12 min shoulder surgery she had nearly 7yrs ago....stop reaching the girl is a lying cheat and a doper.......

It might open up a can of worms and lead suspicion she needs heart drugs because of damage caused by other drugs, which has a certain irony.

 

[Front242]

The only heart problem she has is she has no heart. Cold, cranky, stuck up, horrible cow.

 

[PaintMaria]

The only heart problem she has is she has no heart. Cold, cranky, stuck up, horrible cow.

A lot of that is to do with when she was young and came over to the Bottettieri Academy as a poor small thin girl from Russia, with a lot of talent who was teased by the rich kids there for her accent and poverty, so that she did not make friends with any of them and kept that as a bitter memory. She just had to block that out and get on with improving her tennis, because all the hopes of the Sharapov family depended on her, and she delivered. She ended up richer than all the kids who derided her put together but that experience psychologically damaged her.

 

[Front242]

^ Probably right but I still class her as all of the above and more If she was a Cockney gangster she'd be called Oliver Khan. 'cos that's exactly what she is. An 'orrible can.

 

[special700]

That is a lot of assumptions. May be she thought she would not be chosen for testing at AO.
May be she thought she could get away due to her Diva status. May be she just took a calculated risk and it backfired.

Her lawyer will argue that the high level is consistent with very recent use, she will agree that is so, and that she took it near to the test, she will say she knew she would be tested as she was a Top 10 player, she will say she had no idea it had been banned, she will say she would have stopped taking it before January if she had known it was banned. She must be treated as any other player offering that evidence.

It would unfair for extra suspicion to surround her just because who she is.

What kind of non-sensical argument is this?

Supposing you drive at 90 mph on highway and when stopped if you tell the cop, "look I did not see the sign that says speed limit is 70 and if I had seen it, I would not have driven at 90". Is that a valid excuse. Ignorance of rules is not an excuse to break it. Otherwise, I could even murder you and claim that I did not know that killing is illegal.

Also, she is not being treated with extra suspicion because who she is. She has admitted to taking it after Jan 1st and so case is closed. The other athletes who got away, got away because they did not admit to taking it after Jan 1st and there is a possibility that they actually stopped it in time and traces of Meldonium appeared in their samples from old usage.

And she took extra because she knows she was going to be playing Serena, hoping that this would be the time she would beat Serena. That's why the level was so high in her test. So Ironic Serena put her on the map and now she's taking her off. It has come full circle.

 

[tossip]

remember what ESPN was saying before the match that pova was acing like crazy..like she had the most aces before playing Serena.She juiced up for Serena...its ironic that she found fame and fortune playing Serena and her downfall playing Serena...

 

[PaintMaria]

remember what ESPN was saying before the match that pova was acing like crazy..like she had the most aces before playing Serena.She juiced up for Serena...its ironic that she found fame and fortune playing Serena and her downfall playing Serena...

Please give some detail on "acting like crazy". No matter how much she took, she was not going to beat Serena. The people who have beaten Serena have out-thought her, posed her problems by variety, giving her something she did not expect. Maria always gives Serena exactly what she expects. It seems Maria cannot think anymore on the court. They used to praise her "tennis brain" as a junior, but this Meldonium makes her a very predictable tennis robot. It has had some effect on her brain, for sure.

Also, Maria has lost as many Grand Slam finals as she has won, 5 wins and 5 losses, so this stuff has been as performance reducing as enhancing, because it might have made her last longer physically, but it diminished her tactical awareness, as what the body gained, the brain lost.

 

[PaintMaria]

Interesting: the career of the girl who beat Maria Sharapova in the 2002 Wimbledon Girls Final, Vera Dushevina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Dushevina

 

[GameSetAndMath]

No matter how much she took, she was not going to beat Serena. The people who have beaten Serena have out-thought her, posed her problems by variety, giving her something she did not expect. Maria always gives Serena exactly what she expects. It seems Maria cannot think anymore on the court. They used to praise her "tennis brain" as a junior, but this Meldonium makes her a very predictable tennis robot. It has had some effect on her brain, for sure.

Very true. Especially in the later half of her career, she had become a mere mindless ball basher. Being content when it works and accepting when it does not work. She has even gone to the extent of doing a first serve on a second serve, not to mention violent bashing on groundstrokes, hoping for a winner.

Also, Maria has lost as many Grand Slam finals as she has won, 5 wins and 5 losses, so this stuff has been as performance reducing as enhancing, because it might have made her last longer physically, but it diminished her tactical awareness, as what the body gained, the brain lost.

It does not matter whether Meldonium actually enhanced her performance or diminished her performance. As far as the ethics of the matter is concerned, the only thing that matters is that she took a drug (that is meant for heart patients) thinking it will improve performance. It is the intention that determines the right from wrong in ethics, not the actual results of action.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Oh Boy, this ITF president is crazy.

See his statement below in quotes and in particular see the highlighted part.

However, Haggerty has now gone ahead to have his say regarding the handling of the matter and believes that WADA could have handled the matter in a better manner.

"But I am always happy to have conversations about tennis but it wouldn't be proper for us to have a conversation of influence so to speak.

“The Sharapova case will continue to be heard. It probably could have been handled better but we are following WADA’s rules and regulations. I believe in clean athletes - I haven’t heard any evidence so I don’t think it is proper for me to make a judgement,” Haggerty said “We would like to have all the top athletes competing in Rio.”


This is why you cannot trust ITF/ATP/WTA officials. He says he does not want to have a conversation of influence and then follows it up by saying all top athletes should be competing in Rio. :nono

 

[10isfan]

He is a disgrace. Obviously siding with the doper and trying to underhandedly get her off with a short ban. I hope he has no say during the hearing. Incidentally, I don't think WADA did anything wrong. The inventor of the drug is causing trouble by questioning the renal elimination. I wouldn't be surprised if someone paid him to say that the drug stays in the body for months. Given the short half-life, one month is plenty of time to rid the system of it. WADA informed everyone in late September to stop doping. Why are they being bulldozed into admitting that doping on December 31 and testing positive is cause to be let go?

 

[tossip]

Interesting: the career of the girl who beat Maria Sharapova in the 2002 Wimbledon Girls Final, Vera Dushevina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Dushevina

she is an artist..does a lot of oil paintings.

 

[Front242]

Oh Boy, this ITF president is crazy.

See his statement below in quotes and in particular see the highlighted part.

However, Haggerty has now gone ahead to have his say regarding the handling of the matter and believes that WADA could have handled the matter in a better manner.

"But I am always happy to have conversations about tennis but it wouldn't be proper for us to have a conversation of influence so to speak.

“The Sharapova case will continue to be heard. It probably could have been handled better but we are following WADA’s rules and regulations. I believe in clean athletes - I haven’t heard any evidence so I don’t think it is proper for me to make a judgement,” Haggerty said “We would like to have all the top athletes competing in Rio.”


This is why you cannot trust ITF/ATP/WTA officials. He says he does not want to have a conversation of influence and then follows it up by saying all top athletes should be competing in Rio. :nono

And yet people think silent bans are a myth. Haggerty is a disgrace and should be fired immediately. Dick Pound should be in charge.