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I had the same favoritism of Martina Navratilova, but after 20 years it was time for her to step down! She saw the decline and left after Wimbledon final she made in '94 losing to Conchita Martinez! It's almost the same circumstances except Roger actually won his last major "down under!" If he still has the passion to play, he can hang around until he's 40 like Jimmy Connors, but it won't be pretty! The speed of the game is light years ahead of what it was back then! :whistle: :nono: :banghead: :cuckoo: :eek: :rolleyes: :sick:

I hear you. In a way I feel we shouldn't have any favourite because there is always an end date to it and when it ends it's painful so why bother when we fans don't make any money or don't get any benefits if our favorites win other than momentary joy?
 

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Oh boy, just checked the results. Did not see the match. Shanghai is supposed to be THE fastest court in the circuit and he loses in straight sets to Chockic. This is definitely embarrassing considering that this is his second loss to Chockic. The inevitable question of "Is this the beginning of end?" is popping. But, I am not going to ask it considering he won a GS this year. Let us see whether he can rebound next year.
 

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He is already more consistent than last year. Thus the climbing in rankings.

But we know with the current state of things there are at most 4-5 great players at one point in time and he isn't one of them. He is still low ranked
 

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I just will never understand it! When's enough "enough?" He's already made the most on court and in endorsements! :whistle: :nono: :facepalm: :rolleyes:

Some of these big endorsements are tied with incentives for staying visible as a pro on the tour. If he continues playing that translates to probably at least a minimum of 10 million dollars a year more , though with his new clothing deal I suspect it could be more than that.

So playing a sport and avoiding a 9 to 5, gives you ten million smackers more.

Why quit?
 

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Some of these big endorsements are tied with incentives for staying visible as a pro on the tour. If he continues playing that translates to probably at least a minimum of 10 million dollars a year more , though with his new clothing deal I suspect it could be more than that.

So playing a sport and avoiding a 9 to 5, gives you ten million smackers more.

Why quit?

Not everyone in the world is a money HO! Heaven knows I can't be bought by anyone for any amount of money! Never have been! :whistle: :rolleyes:
 
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Some of these big endorsements are tied with incentives for staying visible as a pro on the tour. If he continues playing that translates to probably at least a minimum of 10 million dollars a year more , though with his new clothing deal I suspect it could be more than that.

So playing a sport and avoiding a 9 to 5, gives you ten million smackers more.

Why quit?

Fed's contract with Uniqlo is not dependent on him winning events or even actively playing in the circuit. They worded the contract in such a way that he can quit any time he wants and still will get $30 million per year for the next 10 years. Of course, he will be asked to do promotion of their brand items though.
 
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Some of these big endorsements are tied with incentives for staying visible as a pro on the tour. If he continues playing that translates to probably at least a minimum of 10 million dollars a year more , though with his new clothing deal I suspect it could be more than that.

So playing a sport and avoiding a 9 to 5, gives you ten million smackers more.

Why quit?

He's got enough money and always will. He will play as long as he thinks he can be competitive. At this point he is being stubborn right now, he has sucked donkey dick for 7 months and it was time to hit reset and call it a year after USO. Now he is just going through the motions and getting embarrassed instead of rest, relax, and train for 2019. At 37 he could have used a long offseason.
 
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Fed's contract with Uniqlo is not dependent on him winning events or even actively playing in the circuit. They worded the contract in such a way that he can quit any time he wants and still will get $30 million per year for the next 10 years. Of course, he will be asked to do promotion of their brand items though.

I’d read the entire fine print of that contract; a lot of what is publicly leaked about these endorsement deals isn’t what they actually get, but what they “potentially” could get.
 

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I’d read the entire fine print of that contract; a lot of what is publicly leaked about these endorsement deals isn’t what they actually get, but what they “potentially” could get.

Usually, all these contracts have some base money and then performance bonuses (for example for winning GS, being ranked in top 10 etc).
That is always the case and nothing special about this contract.

I have not read the fine print of that contract. But, I am sure he gets at least $15 million per year with no strings attached (even if the other $15 million is tied to performance).

At any rate, I don't think Fed deciding to continue to play or not would be based on these money deals. As DF said he has enough money. He will play as long as he thinks he is competitive. …… and as long as he is playing he will be milking as much money out of sponsors (as any savvy person should) as possible.
 

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Must say I quite like Coric too and he's really improved and I hope he continues to climb and makes it into the top 10. Would much rather see him there than Zverev who I find completely overrated tbh and he's been pure dung at the slams despite his ranking. Haven't been able to watch any of this tournament and tbh was fully expecting Coric to win given how much Roger has declined this year. Watching the highlights was saddening. Everything was just like a different player. His movement which he's renowned for looked absolutely awful. Return was awful, serve was so so, could have been worse. Tons of errors and any rally that wasn't over soon you just knew Roger was gonna net an easy ball or blast it miles wide or long. I know he played 6 hours in 3 matches with little rest, but still. That was really sad to see. He just looks like sad out there himself, just as much as his fans are watching that pale imitation of his former self, wanting hard to play like he used to even at the start of this year but his body and mind just won't let him.

Despite the haters hoping he'll retire, he's gone on record to state he'd like to play at the next Olympics and I've always thought he'd play till 2020 with it being the last Olympics he's likely to participate in, so don't expect him to disappear next year. Yes, that performance today was woeful and looked a lot worse than just 6-4 6-4, which on paper, isn't so bad, but for all the "he should retire nonsense", he still made the semis of a Masters 1000 in his sleep at 37 and playing like complete dog shit, so contemplate that before suggesting he retires. It's not like he lost in the first round. That said, slam winning days and, for that matter, most tournament winning days are over. Many people say write off Roger Federer at your peril, but I have. It's a sad day and if he wins something big again I'll be delighted, but just can't see it at all right now. Can see him even losing to Zverev at the WTF and Zverev shouldn't really be beating him there at all, but the way Roger's playing, I'd expect it. Probably disappoint his home fans at Basel again too. A sad, sad time to be a Federer time and a great day for all the haters. If your favourites are still playing at this age (yes you Nadal and Djokovic fans), I'd expect even worse than this as their games depend way more on movement than Roger's so, be cocky now 'cos we'll remember it when they're like this too. It happens to everyone, especially if they're still playing at 37, which most obviously aren't. At least old Roger Rogered your favourites quite a few times last few years as a geriatric.
 
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I'm sorry to see the Federer fans feeling so disheartened. I agree with @Front242 that he'll probably stick around for the Olympics, if only for his kids, who'll be old enough to remember the experience, I think. He has looked his age this week, what I've seen, but he only just lost his #2 ranking and slipped 'all the way down' to #3, FFS. He won a Major this year, and was ranked #1 for a time. That doesn't sound like he's got one foot out to pasture, and the Big 3 are still the best playing by a lot. It's hard not to be down at the moment, I'm sure, but I think there's still great tennis in Roger.
 
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I'm sorry to see the Federer fans feeling so disheartened. I agree with @Front242 that he'll probably stick around for the Olympics, if only for his kids, who'll be old enough to remember the experience, I think. He has looked his age this week, what I've seen, but he only just lost his #2 ranking and slipped 'all the way down' to #3, FFS. He won a Major this year, and was ranked #1 for a time. That doesn't sound like he's got one foot out to pasture, and the Big 3 are still the best playing by a lot. It's hard not to be down at the moment, I'm sure, but I think there's still great tennis in Roger.

The losses have been bad & inexplicable! When Nole was losing we knew he was trying to get back! Roger had a resurgence which I thought wouldn't last so I wasn't surprised when the decline occurred, but it was rather abrupt, culminated in a USO loss that was unfathomable! Sometimes "it time;" go on to Olympics, but the losses will start to look rather ugly! :nono: :facepalm: :eek: :rolleyes:
 

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I'm sorry to see the Federer fans feeling so disheartened. I agree with @Front242 that he'll probably stick around for the Olympics, if only for his kids, who'll be old enough to remember the experience, I think. He has looked his age this week, what I've seen, but he only just lost his #2 ranking and slipped 'all the way down' to #3, FFS. He won a Major this year, and was ranked #1 for a time. That doesn't sound like he's got one foot out to pasture, and the Big 3 are still the best playing by a lot. It's hard not to be down at the moment, I'm sure, but I think there's still great tennis in Roger.

No there isn't. He is done, finito and it's time for Federer fans to accept that. Fed had plenty of chances in his career to put the slam record beyond reach but everytime he would seemingly get away, someone would block him before he totally got away or he'd mostly choke. USO 09 is a classic example of that, WTF 17 too though not a slam but a golden chance to pull away from faker reaching his WTF count. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Fed has blown far too many chances of being in the safe zone at 22-25 slams but he simply wasn't committed enough and didn't prioritise enough to truly be in the driver's seat after retirement. If Nadal breaks past 22 slams then you really have to hand it to him but 20 is still a reachable target and that is 100% Fed's fault. Ofcourse if dull goes past or even equals 20 slams it will be absolutely mental. Unthinkable really. Even faker reaching 20 would be nuts though technically he should be closer to Fed than dull.
 
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Federer in the Olympics 2020 will be 39 years old, sorry but I think he will do a big mistake playing at that time it doesn't matter how much he wants to play. This year is not playing like 2017 when I think he left all the strength and confidence, he still is serving well but against Coric it wasn´t working so well, his return bad and his FH even worse but I think Coric deserves some credit too and I hope tomorrow he play well and with a good and strong mind
 

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To think that Fed won only one slam from 2010 - 2017 AO (not including these), that's 7 years of just one slam after winning 16 of these may prove costly. Neither faker nor dull have gone for such a long period of time without winning slams and it doesn't look likely that they will because the new generation have not shown that they can take these pushers out.
 

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No there isn't. He is done, finito and it's time for Federer fans to accept that. Fed had plenty of chances in his career to put the slam record beyond reach but everytime he would seemingly get away, someone would block him before he totally got away or he'd mostly choke. USO 09 is a classic example of that, WTF 17 too though not a slam but a golden chance to pull away from faker reaching his WTF count. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Fed has blown far too many chances of being in the safe zone at 22-25 slams but he simply wasn't committed enough and didn't prioritise enough to truly be in the driver's seat after retirement. If Nadal breaks past 22 slams then you really have to hand it to him but 20 is still a reachable target and that is 100% Fed's fault. Ofcourse if dull goes past or even equals 20 slams it will be absolutely mental. Unthinkable really. Even faker reaching 20 would be nuts though technically he should be closer to Fed than dull.

Roger has 20 Majors. That is a lot. The notion that the only reason he hasn't won more is that he's blown chances is ridiculous and arrogant. He's lost because he was out-played. Including at the USO in '09 and the WTF in '17. Any notion that he wasn't committed enough to the game seems ridiculous to me. He doesn't drink or chase skirts, he's not distracted by other sports, fast cars or other hobbies. Any notion that he wasn't trying hard enough seems to me to be an excuse, and a world seen though Fed fan goggles.
To think that Fed won only one slam from 2010 - 2017 AO (not including these), that's 7 years of just one slam after winning 16 of these may prove costly. Neither faker nor dull have gone for such a long period of time without winning slams and it doesn't look likely that they will because the new generation have not shown that they can take these pushers out.
Ditto my above. If Federer only won one Slam in 7 years it's because he didn't do better. However lovely his game, the world does not owe him 22-25 Slams. He has to win them.
 
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Roger has 20 Majors. That is a lot. The notion that the only reason he hasn't won more is that he's blown chances is ridiculous and arrogant. He's lost because he was out-played. Including at the USO in '09 and the WTF in '17. Any notion that he wasn't committed enough to the game seems ridiculous to me. He doesn't drink or chase skirts, he's not distracted by other sports, fast cars or other hobbies. Any notion that he wasn't trying hard enough seems to me to be an excuse, and a world seen though Fed fan goggles.
Ditto my above. If Federer only won one Slam in 7 years it's because he didn't do better. However lovely his game, the world does not owe him 22-25 Slams. He has to win them.

:rolleyes:

I think you're the one with the inferiority complex so take a good look in the mirror before you call someone else arrogant.
 
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See this is why it's pointless arguing with your ridiculous strawman arguments so keep living under your rock, dulltard.
This is not a "strawman," it's a point of view. An opinion. I'm not deflecting your point or changing the argument. I'm directly refuting your point. Either you can discuss why Federer should have won more Majors and YEC's than he did, or you can't.
 

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This is not a "strawman," it's a point of view. An opinion. I'm not deflecting your point or changing the argument. I'm directly refuting your point. Either you can discuss why Federer should have won more Majors and YEC's than he did, or you can't.

You're just impossibly annoying with this untrue, non-factual arguments, that's all this is. It's like you have a chip on your shoulder or something.

Look , Fed's not played a worst set in his prime (when playing well) than the 2nd set of USO 09 where had won he as he should've, it was curtains for pony.

How arrogant to suggest that Fed losing to his perennial lapdog and fanboy the WTF SF.....Fuck, do you even believe your own bullshit or do you get a kick out of arguing for no reason?
 
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