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I know you are a diehard Nadal Fan and coudnt be objective about this.
It isn’t about what happened before and after that match, I think there are no doubts who the greater player is.
It’s about this one match, where Robin was the better player, outplayed Rafa and won fairly. Rafa was running and bringing back everything what was possible, like always.
what you do is belittling Soderlings masterpiece.
It wasn't a masterpiece..Rafa knees had previously been destroyed at the greatest Madrid match EVER, the 09 semi's vs Novak. Rafa was Deadman walking vs Roger in that Final. Plus papa Nadal was on the skids with beautiful Mama Nadal (that was my chance to fly in like a thief in the night.. jajaja).. Seriously, when you have bad knees it's not about pain threshold management but the pure restrictions of lack of movement. That's how Robin defeated Rafa at RG. No masterpiece, IMO.
 

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I could turn your phrase on you: After all he's achieved at RG, if anyone thinks that the knees played no part in a 22 year old Nadal losing to Soderling, you've been proven wrong by history. It's not an excuse for the loss. It's part of what went into it, and that was observable over time, and by the fact that Nadal couldn't play tennis for 2 1/2 months after. No one says that Soderling didn't play a great match. Match of his life, without doubt. But that was the guy that lost to Nadal 1 x 0 in Rome just weeks before. All I'm saying, or have ever said, is that it is ridiculous to say that Nadal's bad knees had nothing to do with it. It's a circular argument. Those who want it to be about Soderling's amazing achievement, and some notion of Rafa being beatable at RG, they won't have for a moment that it wasn't all Soderling. For others, like me, it was in the mix of reasons, which are not the same as excuses, for why Soderling hit the magic button on the right day. If Nadal is so beatable, in full health, particularly at that age, then how come Federer is 0-6 vs. him at RG, and Djokovic 1-5 or whatever, (and only beat Nadal in his worst year on tour?) As @Jelenafan was asking recently, what actually makes Robin Soderling so special? If you look at Nadal's record at RG, and his injury history, well, ask yourself again.
Soderling didn't have the issues on the backhand side that Federer did for years against Nadal, especially on clay and was able to blast the ball off both wings consistently all match. That's why I was so annoyed with the windy conditions at RG 2019 'cos I believe Federer would've given him a much better challenge with his much improved backhand.
 
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Soderling didn't have the issues on the backhand side that Federer did for years against Nadal, especially on clay and was able to blast the ball off both wings consistently all match. That's why I was so annoyed with the windy conditions at RG 2019 'cos I believe Federer would've given him a much better challenge with his much improved backhand.
For Roger to manage as well as he did vs Rafa in that high wind was quite an accomplishment
 

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Soderling didn't have the issues on the backhand side that Federer did for years against Nadal, especially on clay and was able to blast the ball off both wings consistently all match. That's why I was so annoyed with the windy conditions at RG 2019 'cos I believe Federer would've given him a much better challenge with his much improved backhand.
The wind, the rain, the sun, the moon, the roof.....it is not for both players? they need to play very smart and precise on clay, point by point because the service doesn't work so well like in HC and grass which is the main weapon
 

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For Roger to manage as well as he did vs Rafa in that high wind was quite an accomplishment
My point exactly and I'd like to have seen the score with no wind! Not saying he'd have won but he'd have made much more of a match of things. I couldn't watch that match with work and recall Federer at 4-4 had 40-0 in set 2 and lost the damn game and set. It was game over after that.
 

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The wind, the rain, the sun, the moon, the roof.....it is not for both players? they need to play very smart and precise on clay, point by point because the service doesn't work so well like in HC and grass which is the main weapon
Of course it's for both players and I mentioned this before months ago but it's common knowledge that Nadal plays with much higher net clearance due to his loopy shots and Federer's much flatter shots got mangled by the wind. Even with serve, Nadal uses way more spin on his and it affected Federer way more. That's just how it goes with outdoor tennis but it's fair to say the wind hurt Federer a lot more than Nadal and I'd still even now like to see them play on clay in calm and wind free conditions.
 

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Of course it's for both players and I mentioned this before months ago but it's common knowledge that Nadal plays with much higher net clearance due to his loopy shots and Federer's much flatter shots got mangled by the wind. Even with serve, Nadal uses way more spin on his and it affected Federer way more. That's just how it goes with outdoor tennis but it's fair to say the wind hurt Federer a lot more than Nadal and I'd still even now like to see them play on clay in calm and wind free conditions.
I always thought Roger played well in the wind
 

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Bottom half of men's and womens draws to play Sunday/Monday.Top half of both to play Monday/Tuesday.
Biggest names in action on Sunday- men Tsitsipas and Zverev and The Austrian.
 
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Of course it's for both players and I mentioned this before months ago but it's common knowledge that Nadal plays with much higher net clearance due to his loopy shots and Federer's much flatter shots got mangled by the wind. Even with serve, Nadal uses way more spin on his and it affected Federer way more. That's just how it goes with outdoor tennis but it's fair to say the wind hurt Federer a lot more than Nadal and I'd still even now like to see them play on clay in calm and wind free conditions.
It's not only the way they are playing but Uncle Toni since Nadal started to practice tennis made him to play in the worst courts, with wind, rain and whatever because he told him that he doesn't know in what condition he will play in the future being professional and he was right, it helps him a lot
 

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Tsitsipas,

"Whenever I play,I want to be the surprise of the tournament".

Tsitsipas maybe the pick of many (including moi) to make it out of the lower half in Paris.
 

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He should be fine until at least the QF.
Rafa's improved his clay game since he met Rublev,I think he will get the job done if they meet the q/f.Though I am not looking that far forward at present,things can change from day 1.
 

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Oh he does, definitely, but playing Nadal on clay he'd have way better chances in wind free conditions in my opinion. If he makes it to Djokovic I hope it's the windiest day of the year though :D
Well, there’s wind and there’s WIND. The latter was present during that SF, which I still think should have been stopped for a while, since clay was being blown into their eyes.
 

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It obviously depends on how well Denis plays, but I do remember him taking Novak out of AO a few years ago! He's no walkover! Tough 1st RD.! :D
I thought Denis had retired,his is mother still coaching him I wonder?
Denis d Novak in 2017 btw
 
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