Roland Garros - Day 7, Saturday May 30 - Order of Play

[Hoergren]

[split] Roland Garros - Day 8, Sunday May 31 - Order of Play

You know what p..... me off - that they don't use the hawk-eye they have present. Today we saw Vikas game be destroyed by a faulty decicion and we saw it in Carolines match a couple of days ago. I've watched quite a few matches from FO because I write for an online magazine and my there has been some wrong decicions over and over. Players are used to hawk-eye today it gives a certainty of some sort instead of thinking it's all the world against me - so ALL slams with hawk-eye OR noone. And I think it was a pretty bad match Serena played today - oh yeah she won but not because of her gameplay IMHO. She only showed that she's #1 the last 20 minutes of the match:devil Sorry Serena most of the times I like your play.

 

[tossip]

The fact of the matter is it is a taller task to ask Vika to maintain a high level of tennis for 3 sets, so that she has a shot at putting Serena away than it is to ask Serena to find another level and set in to the task of entering back into a match. Clearly, the serve and forehand breaks down at some point for Vika if she continuously asked to fight. She runs out of gas. You see it in some matches when she plays Serena where she has fought so hard to make a match of it that she lets up at times and has no more to give. If Vika wants to beat Serena, she has to do it in two sets because the chance of Serena coming out in three is greater than Vika coming out on top in three.

Vika expends a lot of energy posturing and getting in Serena s face...today she had this mean mug and looked ready.Serena is a mental giant on court because she is always aware of everything going on court.She very rarely loses focus in tight matches...they always say pova is the toughest but to me there is no one who can focus for over two hours like Serena...from start to finish she is present in her matches...watching and mentally taking notes....going to plan B if A is not working.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

RE: Roland Garros - Day 8, Sunday May 31 - Order of Play

You know what p..... me off - that they don't use the hawk-eye they have present. Today we saw Vikas game be destroyed by a faulty decicion and we saw it in Carolines match a couple of days ago. I've watched quite a few matches from FO because I write for an online magazine and my there has been some wrong decicions over and over. Players are used to hawk-eye today it gives a certainty of some sort instead of thinking it's all the world against me - so ALL slams with hawk-eye OR noone. And I think it was a pretty bad match Serena played today - oh yeah she won but not because of her gameplay IMHO. She only showed that she's #1 the last 20 minutes of the match:devil Sorry Serena most of the times I like your play.

I am sure you meant to put this in today's thread and not tomorrow's thread. What are you talking about Serena only showed she was the #1 player the last 20 minutes of the match. Vika led in all three sets. After she lost the set, she went up 2-0, so clearly she wasn't that effected to recover and take an early break. Serena rattled off 10 of the last 12 games. Serena has been the victim of bad calls too, but you just have to move forward and play. I would be more inclined to believe the match was effected by the call if Vika didn't have that 2-0 lead on the third.

 

[Hoergren]

RE: Roland Garros - Day 8, Sunday May 31 - Order of Play

I am sure you meant to put this in today's thread and not tomorrow's thread. What are you talking about Serena only showed she was the #1 player the last 20 minutes of the match. Vika led in all three sets. After she lost the set, she went up 2-0, so clearly she wasn't that effected to recover and take an early break. Serena rattled off 10 of the last 12 games. Serena has been the victim of bad calls too, but you just have to move forward and play. I would be more inclined to believe the match was effected by the call if Vika didn't have that 2-0 lead on the third.

Yeah wrong place but I just had to let it out - it's mostly the hawk-eye thing I'm against - why have it if they don't use it?????

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

RE: Roland Garros - Day 8, Sunday May 31 - Order of Play

Also, it does look like Serena is pointing him to the mark and looks to have been shaking her head and from what reports say Serena told him it was in, but he went with the replay of the point. My thing about it is you should play well enough, so that things like this don't matter. Clearly, this point mattered to Vika because she knew Serena was gaining in resolve and in her play.

 

[10isfan]

It is not Serena's call, but she knows she hit the ball before the linesperson called out. I would be thrilled with Serena's win today if she had given up the point and beaten Vika rather than the way it actually happened.

The argument that Vika can't sustain her level for three sets is irrelevant. She could have won in two sets. Nobody will ever know now. The injustice is hard for me to swallow. This is Henin's hand.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

FYI, Serena even told Nouni it was in, she confirmed it in the presser. He chose to make the decision that he did, so those saying it was on Serena to say something she did and Nouni chose his course of action.

 

[colleen66]

It is not Serena's call, but she knows she hit the ball before the linesperson called out. I would be thrilled with Serena's win today if she had given up the point and beaten Vika rather than the way it actually happened.

The argument that Vika can't sustain her level for three sets is irrelevant. She could have won in two sets. Nobody will ever know now. The injustice is hard for me to swallow. This is Henin's hand.

Serena did tell Nouni that the ball was in, so I am not sure which "injustice" you writing about. Even if they did not replay the point, I believe that it would have been douce (if I am wrong please correct me). I am not sure if she still would have won the match in two sets. At that stage Serena clearly had the momentum, imo.

Serena has many faults; being a cheater is not one of them. In the almost 20 years I have watched both her and her sister play, cheating for points have never been one of their issues. In the first round she waved off the chair during a game and conceded the point to her opponent. If anything she has been cheated many time during her career. I have no problems swallowing this one.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

It is not Serena's call, but she knows she hit the ball before the linesperson called out. I would be thrilled with Serena's win today if she had given up the point and beaten Vika rather than the way it actually happened.

The argument that Vika can't sustain her level for three sets is irrelevant. She could have won in two sets. Nobody will ever know now. The injustice is hard for me to swallow. This is Henin's hand.

Also, she did beat Vika fairly. Vika was up a break in all three sets, and she didn't win it.

 

[colleen66]

I don't want Vika to be discouraged. This is the way she has to play. She just needs to keep her foot on the pedal and be ready when a player raises their level.

I want her to play more. I hope she plays something like Stanford. A win at a smaller tournament could encourage her. She keeps only playing the big ones and faces a high seed early.

She needs to play the smaller tournaments and build up both her confidence and rank. She should not be facing who she is facing so early in matches.

 

[10isfan]

The question is not whether the ball was in. Anyone can check the mark. The question is did Serena strike before or after the out call. She struck before. Did she cheat? I don't know, but I am not happy about this.

 

[10isfan]

Most seem ok with the way that point went for various reasons. Maybe you think it is ok because you are Serena fans. How would you feel if a ball Serena hit landed on the baseball, Vika missed, the ball was called out, then the ump instructed them to replay?

 

[special700]

The fact of the matter is it is a taller task to ask Vika to maintain a high level of tennis for 3 sets, so that she has a shot at putting Serena away than it is to ask Serena to find another level and set in to the task of entering back into a match. Clearly, the serve and forehand breaks down at some point for Vika if she continuously asked to fight. She runs out of gas. You see it in some matches when she plays Serena where she has fought so hard to make a match of it that she lets up at times and has no more to give. If Vika wants to beat Serena, she has to do it in two sets because the chance of Serena coming out in three is greater than Vika coming out on top in three.

Weren't you the one who claims that Vika would take Serena out now you are talking a different story. Apparently Serena played like shit and still won.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

The fact of the matter is it is a taller task to ask Vika to maintain a high level of tennis for 3 sets, so that she has a shot at putting Serena away than it is to ask Serena to find another level and set in to the task of entering back into a match. Clearly, the serve and forehand breaks down at some point for Vika if she continuously asked to fight. She runs out of gas. You see it in some matches when she plays Serena where she has fought so hard to make a match of it that she lets up at times and has no more to give. If Vika wants to beat Serena, she has to do it in two sets because the chance of Serena coming out in three is greater than Vika coming out on top in three.

Weren't you the one who claims that Vika would take Serena out now you are talking a different story. Apparently Serena played like crap and still won.

I didn't claim Vika would do anything. Serena played much better than she did last match. Yes, it looked bad for Serena at the start of this match, and I did have to eat my words. I conceded as much, so why don't you go somewhere with your nasty attitude. Some people are wrong, and I admitted it. But, she did play much better than she did in her previous match.

 

[special700]

The question is not whether the ball was in. Anyone can check the mark. The question is did Serena strike before or after the out call. She struck before. Did she cheat? I don't know, but I am not happy about this.

Who cares whether you are happy or not....please

 

[tossip]

this call was not for Serena to make...thats the umpire s job plus they have just showed a replay of the match on my tv and it was the line judge that made the call and Serena told the umpire it was in but he made the decision for it to be a replay...thats not why she lost.
Vika lost because she was outplayed in that 3rd set after going up 2-0...
they are trying to bring bad karma on Serena shame on them....
bye Scone!

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

does azarenka still sound like a distressed barn owl ?.

 

[the AntiPusher]

It is not Serena's call, but she knows she hit the ball before the linesperson called out. I would be thrilled with Serena's win today if she had given up the point and beaten Vika rather than the way it actually happened.

The argument that Vika can't sustain her level for three sets is irrelevant. She could have won in two sets. Nobody will ever know now. The injustice is hard for me to swallow. This is Henin's hand.

Are you out of your goofy mind , Serena did the correct thing. She always tries to play fair, but have been screwed over so many times by her opponent s( eg Henin at RG and Capilati at USO). Serena doesn't owe Vila or anyone else a damn thing. She defeated Vika plain and simple.

 

[10isfan]

Can the people who are claiming that my posts have no merit truthfully say that they can move on without grumbling if Serena's shot hit the baseline, Vika's shot hit the net, and they were told to replay the point?

I was so curious about this that I asked someone who plays competitively. The person said Serena did not cheat, but she knew she struck the ball before the out call. Ok I accept that there was no cheating involved. However, this is like screaming during every shot, making the receiver or server wait, and otherwise doing everything to gain an advantage. I am done discussing this. Everyone here knows how hard I root for Serena, but justice was not served today.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

^^you will discuss it some more, they are not done with you.