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On their best surface, Nadal is better than Federer (11 clay > 8 grass).
On their worst surface, Nadal is better than Federer (2 grass > 1 clay).

Also Nadal has won at least 2 slams on EACH surface.

GOATdal.

Haha on their "worst surface". 2 grass 1 clay. LOL like that means something. Both of us know had it not been for dull being some kindof mutant on clay, Fed would've won 5-6 RGs there. Nice way to spin the truth, dulltard.
 

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If surfaces were Equal, we would have to split the results of AO/USO in half that way they would count as 1 hardcourt slam.

Federer (6+5 / 2 = 5.5)
Nadal (3+1 / 2 = 2)

So if there was only 1 hardcourt slam, 1 clay slam and 1 grass slam, the averages and slam total would be:

Federer 8 grass, 5.5 hardcourt, 1 clay = 14.5 slams
Nadal 11 clay, 2 hardcourt, 2 grass = 15 slams

Nadal would lead the slam total count if tennis was equal in terms of hardcourt, clay and grass.

In a more detailed twist:

If we go by their 1 best surface, Nadal would be better (minimum 11, total 11)
If we go by their 2 best surfaces, Federer would be better (minimum 5.5, total 13.5)
If we go by all 3 surfaces, Nadal would be better (minimum 2, total 15)

No matter how you look at it, Nadal is the GOAT. Too bad that Federer chickened out from playing RG because he would have had the chance to win in 2015 or 2016 when Nadal was not at his best. But Federer missed his chance to add a much needed 2nd clay slam and become the GOAT.

Another important detail is that:

Nadal was able to beat Federer on grass/Wimbledon in his 3rd try. Federer was not able to beat Nadal on clay/RG in 5 tries. That again shows how Nadal is about quality not only quantity.

Have a nice day fedtards and remember it's not too late to jump on the Nadal train and become a fan of the real GOAT. First class seats are full, but we can find you a place in the luggage compartment.
 

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And Nadal is more beautiful and humble. The complete package.

Unfortunately, this is neither a beauty pageant nor a personality contest.

Otherwise the aesthetic of Roger's sublime tennis is incomparable and every great champion in tennis since Laver knows it. People were talking about RF as a goat candidate in 2003!

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I don’t see too much difference practicing




I was talking in generalities and of course they must have practiced thousands of times. I am not saying that Roger never practises hard. He does. He just tends to be less severe.

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Tennis is not ballet or ice skating where we like to see the beauty, Tennis is an sport where we like to feel emotion and excitement
 
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If surfaces were Equal, we would have to split the results of AO/USO in half that way they would count as 1 hardcourt slam.

Federer (6+5 / 2 = 5.5)
Nadal (3+1 / 2 = 2)

So if there was only 1 hardcourt slam, 1 clay slam and 1 grass slam, the averages and slam total would be:

Federer 8 grass, 5.5 hardcourt, 1 clay = 14.5 slams
Nadal 11 clay, 2 hardcourt, 2 grass = 15 slams

Nadal would lead the slam total count if tennis was equal in terms of hardcourt, clay and grass.

In a more detailed twist:

If we go by their 1 best surface, Nadal would be better (minimum 11, total 11)
If we go by their 2 best surfaces, Federer would be better (minimum 5.5, total 13.5)
If we go by all 3 surfaces, Nadal would be better (minimum 2, total 15)

No matter how you look at it, Nadal is the GOAT. Too bad that Federer chickened out from playing RG because he would have had the chance to win in 2015 or 2016 when Nadal was not at his best. But Federer missed his chance to add a much needed 2nd clay slam and become the GOAT.

Another important detail is that:

Nadal was able to beat Federer on grass/Wimbledon in his 3rd try. Federer was not able to beat Nadal on clay/RG in 5 tries. That again shows how Nadal is about quality not only quantity.

Have a nice day fedtards and remember it's not too late to jump on the Nadal train and become a fan of the real GOAT. First class seats are full, but we can find you a place in the luggage compartment.

Some retarded what ifs going on in this post. Must be the inferiority complex of Wafa twats kicking in. Roger has the lead or is tied for the lead at 3 of 4 majors including the most prestigious one that has done everything possible to stop him with a shit "grass" surface. He has the most titles at the big indoor event where Nadal has been completely irrelevant. He has been world #1 for the longest time whereas peasant boy has made a fitting #2. Need I go on?
 

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Tennis is not ballet or ice skating where we like to see the beauty, Tennis is an sport where we like to feel emotion and excitement

It is all about tastes. You girls (and dudes) just like seeing war of attrition. You find it thrilling just watching him outrun and outlast his opponent while taking forever to play. And not everyone wants Nad's shrunken balls in their face.
 
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Some retarded what ifs going on in this post. Must be the inferiority complex of Wafa twats kicking in. Roger has the lead or is tied for the lead at 3 of 4 majors including the most prestigious one that has done everything possible to stop him with a shit "grass" surface. He has the most titles at the big indoor event where Nadal has been completely irrelevant. He has been world #1 for the longest time whereas peasant boy has made a fitting #2. Need I go on?
Believe me, Nadal doesn't have any complex but Federer's fans look they do, we just have to read you and others comments
 

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It is all about tastes. You girls (and dudes) just like seeing war of attrition. You find it thrilling just watching him outrun and outlast his opponent while taking forever to play. And not everyone wants Nad's shrunken balls in their face.
You have said well, it's all about tastes, you don't like Nadal's game, ok, I don't like Federer's game because to me is boring, that"s all
 

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We keep hoping, giving all kinds of "dap" to players like Dimitrov, Nishikori, Raonic, now Thiem, Zverev, Goffin, & Pouille! Veterans have staved them off well, winning into their 30's; Cilic, Wawrinka, Del Po, & Anderson! You well know I've been begging for the "Next Gen" to take over and shake up the tour with some new blood! It's gotten old with Fedalovic winning most everything in sight; overcoming age, injury, and mental en nui after being on the tour up to 20 years! :whistle: :yesyes: :p :rolleyes:

Fiero, I think you're behind the times. Everyone has pretty much given up on "Lost Gen." I mean, maybe one of them does an Ivanisevic and sneaks a Slam in sometime over the next few years, but at this point the oldest of the players born in the 90s that I think has a good chance of winning a Slam is Thiem, and only on clay - and only when Rafa fades further. And Pouille? Goffin? Goffin is almost 28 and belongs ith Lost Gen and I don't think anyone ever saw Pouille as more than a second tier guy, and he looks more like a third tier Almagro type.

But you're bagging on Next Gen too soon. That generation doesn't really start getting exciting until players born in 1997 - and they're just turning 21 this year, so have time. I know Zverev has disappointed at Slams but he has already won three Masters and is still a year and a half younger than Roger was when he won his first Slam. Tsitsipas just turned 20, Shapo is 19, etc. Give them a chance before writing them off.
 

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Fiero, I think you're behind the times. Everyone has pretty much given up on "Lost Gen." I mean, maybe one of them does an Ivanisevic and sneaks a Slam in sometime over the next few years, but at this point the oldest of the players born in the 90s that I think has a good chance of winning a Slam is Thiem, and only on clay - and only when Rafa fades further. And Pouille? Goffin? Goffin is almost 28 and belongs ith Lost Gen and I don't think anyone ever saw Pouille as more than a second tier guy, and he looks more like a third tier Almagro type.

But you're bagging on Next Gen too soon. That generation doesn't really start getting exciting until players born in 1997 - and they're just turning 21 this year, so have time. I know Zverev has disappointed at Slams but he has already won three Masters and is still a year and a half younger than Roger was when he won his first Slam. Tsitsipas just turned 20, Shapo is 19, etc. Give them a chance before writing them off.

I saw Pouille over the weekend during DC and thought him a little younger with those "big blues" and freshly shaven babyface! He's a hottie regardless! Shapo even more so. but most know I love "chicken!" :whistle: :yesyes: :p :rolleyes: :ptennis:
 

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Some retarded what ifs going on in this post. Must be the inferiority complex of Wafa twats kicking in. Roger has the lead or is tied for the lead at 3 of 4 majors including the most prestigious one that has done everything possible to stop him with a shit "grass" surface. He has the most titles at the big indoor event where Nadal has been completely irrelevant. He has been world #1 for the longest time whereas peasant boy has made a fitting #2. Need I go on?

Silverer and Bronzokovic will never be as great as Goldal.
 
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With Djokovic back, tough to imagine his pidgeon Nadal winning any slams other than vulturing the French in perhaps the weakest clay field of all time.
Another one....... Novak is not going to play like 2011 and 2015 unless the rest of the Tour are playing bad or most of them would be injured so don't dream just in case that he could lose anytime vs Tsitsipas or Cecchinato or someone else. And Nadal? there are specialists on clay but none one as good as him, that makes the difference and I hope he will win in HC too
 

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Nadal

11 clay :)
4 hardcourt :)
2 grass :)

Federer

11 hardcourt :)
8 grass :)
1 clay :confused::(

Djokovic

9 hardcourt :)
4 grass :)
1 clay :confused::(
 

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Nadal

11 clay :)
4 hardcourt :)
2 grass :)

Federer

11 hardcourt :)
8 grass :)
1 clay :confused::(

Djokovic

9 hardcourt :)
4 grass :)
1 clay :confused::(

Roger looks a lot more well balanced than Nads. 2 dominant surfaces and 3 dominant slams vs. 1 and 1. Also, this will be yet another year where the grunting golden boy defends nothing off clay. Off clay he has made himself a good and opportunistic sniper.
 
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Roger looks a lot more well balanced than Nads. 2 dominant surfaces .

Like I said in an earlier post, Nadal is the best on 1 surface (clay), Federer is the best on 2 surfaces (grass/hardcourt), and Nadal is the best on 3 surfaces (clay/hardcourt/grass) as he won at least 2 slams on each. And since tennis is a 3 surface sport, you can't just focus on Federer being dominant on 2 surfaces and ignore the 3rd surface. Sorry but vulturing only 1 RG when you had to avoid the clay GOAT is nowhere as impressive as winning 2 Wimbledons beating the grass GOAT in one of the greatest finals in history. The weakest link is Federer on clay/RG. Again it's about 3 surfaces, not 2. :yesyes:
 

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Like I said in an earlier post, Nadal is the best on 1 surface (clay), Federer is the best on 2 surfaces (grass/hardcourt), and Nadal is the best on 3 surfaces (clay/hardcourt/grass) as he won at least 2 slams on each. And since tennis is a 3 surface sport, you can't just focus on Federer being dominant on 2 surfaces and ignore the 3rd surface. Sorry but vulturing only 1 RG when you had to avoid the clay GOAT is nowhere as impressive as winning 2 Wimbledons beating the grass GOAT in one of the greatest finals in history. The weakest link is Federer on clay/RG. Again it's about 3 surfaces, not 2. :yesyes:

Winning 2 on a surface is just better than winning one but it isn't dominant. You remove each of their best slams and Roger dominates. You remove their 2 best slams and Roger dominates. Roger plays RG on real clay and Rafa plays Wimbledon on the Madrid of "grass". Roger obviously played like shit in that final and the 2015 final but still would've done a lot better without the retarded "grass" they play on at Wimbledon that is way worse for his game.