Roger and Rafa are done

[monfed]

Fed is done but why would dull be done? Nadull won 2 consecutive RGs without dropping a set and he's suddenly done? Based on what? Who's going to beat him at RG? Thiem? LOL the guy can't even win a set and is a choker. Faker? dull wasn't dull at RG 15 so can't read much into that.

Nadull is 32, still has 2 years in him with this pathetic new gen and even a 50% dull can win RG on one leg. On top of that he gets cakedraw after cakedraw so he always has a chance at non-clay slams too.

 

[Moxie]

On the contrary. If I am guessing correctly, RG is the only slam that hasn't fukked up their courts. At least so far. Respect. The pressures must be tremendous. Especially after a Spanish invasion, occupation and Emperor. Contrast it with the POS administrators across the channel and across the Atlantic.

The fact of the matter is that tennis on clay and tennis on grass *were* often virtually different sports, especially after graphite and space age strings. So fukcing what? Of course each hardcore fan base will be snobbish or oblivious. Males being males and all. It always amuses me that most Americans think of 'soccer' as a children's sport and the rest of the 'world' scratches their head as to what American 'football' and baseball are. Digging up or tearing courts to exhume $$$ is a barbaric practice.

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Well, I was kinda talking to Darth, mostly, and GSM, who likes to copy off of Darth's Nadal insults. I'm not actually sure if RG can be sped up or slowed down. The balls can be changed, but that's about it. I think the weather contributes more than anything else to changes in how the clay plays. As to changing the courts to "exhume $$$," doesn't that mean they are giving the people what they want? I dunno, but there has to be a reason.

Not all Americans think of soccer as a kid's game, FYI. It's taken very seriously here in NY, anyway.

As to the bolded above: :lulz2: Too true.

 

[lob]

The balls can be changed, but that's about it. I think the weather contributes more than anything else to changes in how the clay plays. As to changing the courts to "exhume $$$," doesn't that mean they are giving the people what they want? I dunno, but there has to be a reason.

Not all Americans think of soccer as a kid's game, FYI. It's taken very seriously here in NY, anyway.

Good point about balls at RG. I am not sure if they even mess with the balls beyond quality control. Ultra topspin strings have increased bounce substantially. We can test this using video clips. RG can 'correct' that every year according to what gets that year's director off. We don't hear much about changes from players. Any clay can be changed in the 21'st century. Remember blue 'clay'?

Good point about giving people what they want. Sure. Pro tennis like NFL or FIFA or NBA is a business. But where are the consumer's basic transparency rights? A sweetener states if it has 0 cal or 1 cal. Even if it makes a difference to a small fraction of people as long as it's sweetener. In grand slam tennis, you get all sweeteners, refined sugar, raw sugar, gatorade powder sold without caloric contents or ingredients, as 'sugar'. All you can see is the color of the sachet and the name of the manufacturer. What prevents each slam from mentioning the year's ball type, bounce stats on surface, weight and it's surface speed etc.? Even corrupt sports try to do that favor. As Darth said, tennis being a soft sport all around, anything goes. The tennis media has twigs for spines and they let the slams get away with it.

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[lob]

Not all Americans think of soccer as a kid's game, FYI. It's taken very seriously here in NY, anyway.

This is after after they poured hundreds of millions into soccer here and the internet allowed the excitement of soccer to spread all around. Still, even Beckham openly accepted that soccer can't compete with NFL, NBA and NHL. Heck, if European soccer fans and administrators were like their Tennis counterparts, it will become a children's sport in Europe too.

Yes. NYC is also the most cosmopolitan Megapolis on the planet.


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[El Dude]

Fed is done but why would dull be done? Nadull won 2 consecutive RGs without dropping a set and he's suddenly done? Based on what? Who's going to beat him at RG? Thiem? LOL the guy can't even win a set and is a choker. Faker? dull wasn't dull at RG 15 so can't read much into that.

Nadull is 32, still has 2 years in him with this pathetic new gen and even a 50% dull can win RG on one leg. On top of that he gets cakedraw after cakedraw so he always has a chance at non-clay slams too.

They've had some close matches at RG, in 2013 and 2014. I'm not saying that Rafa won't beat Novak at RG, just that it is not a foregone conclusion.

 

[monfed]

They've had some close matches at RG, in 2013 and 2014. I'm not saying that Rafa won't beat Novak at RG, just that it is not a foregone conclusion.

Ok so faker has a 10% chance. So what? Does it change the end result?

RG 14 wasn't close, after the first set faker never looked like winning. RG 13 could've been faker's if he had held on in the 5th set but dull could've won it in 4.

 

[El Dude]

Let's see where they're at in eight months, but based on current form (and extrapolating for Rafa being healthy...probably), I'd say Novak has a better than 10% chance.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

They've had some close matches at RG, in 2013 and 2014. I'm not saying that Rafa won't beat Novak at RG, just that it is not a foregone conclusion.

Djokovic also has had two terrible losses in a row at RG and has not done much on clay recently.And Generally post-30 most people don't do well on clay.

 

[DarthFed]

Djokovic also has had two terrible losses in a row at RG and has not done much on clay recently.And Generally post-30 most people don't do well on clay.

Djokovic practically had terrible losses everywhere the last two years up until Wimbledon. I do agree that it's far from a given that he's going to be dominating everything again next year. It gets harder to do and we've seen his motivation (and health) fall before. But if he is at a similarly strong level at the next RG it's probably close to 50-50 between him and Nadal.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

The real question isn't whether Rafa will reach 20 slams, it's whether he will reach 20 French opens. B-)

 

[DarthFed]

The real question isn't whether Rafa will reach 20 slams, it's whether he will reach 20 French opens. B-)

And if he had 20 RG's and only 6 non-clay majors there would still be a debate. He'd still be far inferior to his rivals on all but 1 surface just like he is now.

Anyways even I don't think he will win more than another 3 RG's. 11 is plenty but I don't think he's done yet

And that just highlights that Roger needs to get back in gear and win a couple more, he's come to far to be considered an underachiever by having the rat pass him up.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

And if he had 20 RG's and only 6 non-clay majors there would still be a debate. He'd still be far inferior to his rivals on all but 1 surface just like he is now.

Anyways even I don't think he will win more than another 3 RG's. 11 is plenty but I don't think he's done yet

And that just highlights that Roger needs to get back in gear and win a couple more, he's come to far to be considered an underachiever by having the rat pass him up.

Honey the only weakness is Federer only having 1 clay slam out of 20. On his weakest surface Rafa has 2 grass out of 17. B-)

 

[lob]

And that just highlights that Roger needs to get back in gear and win a couple more, he's come to far to be considered an underachiever by having the rat pass him up.

Darth, I wish you took over as Roger's coach back when he dumped Roche. Our boy is complacent as fuck. I can guarantee you that he will be less disappointed than a good share of his fan base when mr.universe passes him. He wouldn't mind hanging out with the mutant that very weekend. Roger enjoys pasta and desert during grand slams. He's always slept 10 hours a day. He gets over big losses even before he goes to sleep that very night. No shit. You've perhaps seen their practice sessions. What I saw was Nadal is focussed and intense every second as if it were a real match. Roger's practice sessions seemed like fun and games.

However, at this point, Roger has transcended tennis and become more of a big public persona. Depending on his luck, ten years down the line, I wouldn't be shocked if he became a big brand name in fashion or prime minister of Switzerland or head of UNESCO division or ITF. At least, he'll be on the boards of some Fortune 500 companies.

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[DarthFed]

Honey the only weakness is Federer only having 1 clay slam out of 20. On his weakest surface Rafa has 2 grass out of 17. B-)

Having less than 20 is currently a weakness. So if 20 becomes inferior then that will be a weakness. Currently Roger has no real weakness, sure you can argue H2H with Nadal and lack of singles gold but that's minor. Slam total is where it's at

 

[Carol]

I don’t see too much difference practicing

 

[Fiero425]

Having less than 20 is currently a weakness. So if 20 becomes inferior then that will be a weakness. Currently Roger has no real weakness, sure you can argue H2H with Nadal and lack of singles gold but that's minor. Slam total is where it's at

We were about to anoint Djokovic "The GOAT" a couple years ago putting a streak together Roger only came close to at the time! He was closer to Rafa and owning him at the time with 2 "seven match streaks" it was hard to avoid thinking about the possibilities! He was several majors behind both Fedal, but he was owning the tour like few others before him! He shot from 8 to 13 majors so quickly, it just seemed like just a matter of time! I'm getting that feeling again because I believe he'll outlast them & eventually surpass most of their records!

 

[DarthFed]

We were about to anoint Djokovic "The GOAT" a couple years ago putting a streak together Roger only came close to at the time! He was closer to Rafa and owning him at the time with 2 "seven match streaks" it was hard to avoid thinking about the possibilities! He was several majors behind both Fedal, but he was owning the tour like few others before him! He shot from 8 to 13 majors so quickly, it just seemed like just a matter of time! I'm getting that feeling again because I believe he'll outlast them & eventually surpass most of their records!

If he is able to win 6, let alone 7 more majors...hats off to him. If the last couple years taught us anything it's that the landscape can change very quickly in tennis. The next gen won't stay worthless forever...

 

[Fiero425]

If he is able to win 6, let alone 7 more majors...hats off to him. If the last couple years taught us anything it's that the landscape can change very quickly in tennis. The next gen won't stay worthless forever...

We keep hoping, giving all kinds of "dap" to players like Dimitrov, Nishikori, Raonic, now Thiem, Zverev, Goffin, & Pouille! Veterans have staved them off well, winning into their 30's; Cilic, Wawrinka, Del Po, & Anderson! You well know I've been begging for the "Next Gen" to take over and shake up the tour with some new blood! It's gotten old with Fedalovic winning most everything in sight; overcoming age, injury, and mental en nui after being on the tour up to 20 years! :whistle:

 

[monfed]

Honey the only weakness is Federer only having 1 clay slam out of 20. On his weakest surface Rafa has 2 grass out of 17. B-)

Ofcourse Fred has only 1 RG when Nadull built an impenetrable wall around it. Fed never had a clear chance and when he did he took it. Dull had many clear chances without Fed and he still only managed 2.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Ofcourse Fred has only 1 RG when Nadull built an impenetrable wall around it. Fed never had a clear chance and when he did he took it. Dull had many clear chances without Fed and he still only managed 2.

On their best surface, Nadal is better than Federer (11 clay > 8 grass).
On their worst surface, Nadal is better than Federer (2 grass > 1 clay).

Also Nadal has won at least 2 slams on EACH surface. GOATdal.

And Nadal is more beautiful and humble. The complete package.