Roger and Rafa are done

[herios]

Just to clarify, while I think that Fedal are "done" and Djokovic is pretty close to "done" too (as far as winning major goes), the last reason for this IMO would be next gen. I see del Potro, Cilic, Wawrinka and Thiem head and shoulders above any nextgener now. Even Raonic and Nishikori are quite above all of them with the exception of Zverev -- who by his turn must have one of the worst major stats of a long time top 10 (as he is a top 10 for quite a while right now).

I totally agree with this. If JMDP stays healthy, he will be as a favorite as the big 3. And yes Cilic, possibly Wawrinka too will be in the mix.
Thiem needs a little more work but he will get there eventually.
Next Gen players willl have to improve much more.

 

[herios]

By the way, I am not writing Rafa off, but he will not repeat 2017 ever again.
Roger will be a big question mark from here on. Age will be a big factor.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I wouldn't bring the young gen into it mate. Last I recall Roger and Rafa have won the bulk of the last few majors. I'm certainly coming round to the view that Roger just isn't interested anymore, but it's not clear to me that Rafa doesn't have the hunger anymore. When he's fit he'll still be one of the favourites. Basically it's up to them whether they're done or not

I would not say Roger is not interested in winning slams any more. Unfortunately, his body may not cooperate especially considering that it is impossible to win Slams without a degree of proficiency in baseline rally game part. He could not even hang with Milkman on baseline rallies and that is why he was going for drop shots and serve and volley on even second serves.

 

[herios]

I would not say Roger is not interested in winning slams any more. Unfortunately, his body may not cooperate especially considering that it is impossible to win Slams without a degree of proficiency in baseline rally game part. He could not even hang with Milkman on baseline rallies and that is why he was going for drop shots and serve and volley on even second serves.

If Roger would not be interested, he would not play anymore.

 

[Jelenafan]

The Nextgen will breakthru because Fedalovic at 40 plus years old will find it hard to win Majors anymore.


5 years from scenario:
30 year old Thiem will win his first FO, 24 year Shapovalov his USO, and 26 year old Sasha his first AO, however even at that mature age I give the edge to Nole, Roger and Rafa to battle at Wimbledon.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Rafa will keep playing until 50 years old and will retire with 25 RG titles. He is not done. Thank you for reading.

 

[Carol]

Delpo is not the same player he was, his BH is worse and his FH not much better. I have not any idea how long Federer is going to play, I suppose he will retire when he won´t be able to win any more MS and GS.
Nadal? we'll see how he will finish the year or how he will start the 2019 but I think Novak has done more than enough and unless the others players would continue with physical problems like Wawrinka, Murray, Tsonga, Monfils and now Nadal and the young ones also would continue so irregular I don't see him to do much better than the others and of course no way like 2011 and 2015

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Rafa being done solely depends on French Open.
Once he starts getting more competition there the end will be near. Next year could be it with Thiem gaining in confidence and Djokovic back.Heck even someone like Schwartman.Also Zverev might get some momentum with Lendl.His best surface is clay.At the other GSs he won't win without a peachy draw.

As for Roger,He will have good chances at both AO and Wimbledon and hopefully he manages to peak for them.
USO is now completely alien conditions for him and difficult for his old-age play style and he will require a peachy draw there.Of course,he's not playing RG so not point talking about that.

 

[lob]

I would not say Roger is not interested in winning slams any more. Unfortunately, his body may not cooperate especially considering that it is impossible to win Slams without a degree of proficiency in baseline rally game part. He could not even hang with Milkman on baseline rallies and that is why he was going for drop shots and serve and volley on even second serves.

Yes, the base line rallies will be a problem. Even if he is interested, he is certainly not highly motivated to win. That Anderson match and the Coric match give me that impression. It wasn't just the body but the alertness and confidence. He really hates losing on grass. But unlike Rafa on clay, it's never been a life and death mission for him even on grass. He's playing because he hopes he'll get lucky at Wimbledon or AO if he puts himself out there. He can't ditch his sponsors, especially Uniqlo, when he needs to think about career after tennis. Also he'd want to end on a note that befits his career. Even if that might be a 100th title.

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[Jelenafan]

Chris Evert once stated that even more than the physical, it’s the mental toll that after upteen years you can’t get psyched up for every match.

Djokovic owns Federer on every surface as it is so it’s hard to see Fed get more.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Just LOL at the delusion

Djokovic is 13-2 off clay against Nadal since his prime so the poor dirtballer too should pack it up at HC and grass

 

[Jelenafan]

Just LOL at the delusion

You think it’s delusion that Djokovic owns Federer in all surfaces?

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

You think it’s delusion that Djokovic owns Federer in all surfaces?

Your entire posting history is full of delusion.
Djokovic has owned Nadal much more than he has owned Federer since 2011,despite Nadal being his contemporary

 

[Jelenafan]

Your entire posting history is full of delusion.
Djokovic has owned Nadal much more than he has owned Federer since 2011,despite Nadal being his contemporary

Oh ok, so do you don’t think Djokovic owns Federer. Thanks for sharing.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Oh ok, so do you don’t think Djokovic owns Federer. Thanks for sharing.

My sharing is much better than your verbal diarrhoea all over the forum.
All this fake Djokovic stanning will soon result in him overtaking your idol luckydrawdal in the slam race

 

[DarthFed]

You think it’s delusion that Djokovic owns Federer in all surfaces?

Djokovic certainly doesn't own him on fast hards. And even though he's won 2 out of 3 at that junk "grass" of Wimbledon I'm not sure that constitutes ownership either. Anyways the narrative is funny, Djokovic sucks for a couple years and completely dodges Roger. Yet years like 2014-2016 and Cincy 2018 are somehow considered decent versions of Roger.

 

[Jelenafan]

My sharing is much better than your verbal diarrhoea all over the forum.
All this fake Djokovic stanning will soon result in him overtaking your idol luckydrawdal in the slam race

LOL. What is it with these kids calling Nadal what they think are insulting nicknames, are they all five years old? Just freaky.

Oh definitely Nole has a chance to overtake Rafa’s Majors total. I’m OK with that because well life’s more important than tennis records, and hey that’s sports. But hey but keep stanning Roger in that special fanatical bitter way if it rocks your boat. Whatever. You can ‘always spot an Uber fan of a player and not the sport for being overinvested in their player being sacrosanct, but oh well. Then they devolve to insulting but hey, par for the course.

Meanwhile back in reality, Federer can win another Major, never say never, but it will be a tough road to hoe. Mentally it’s hard to keep your edge the older you get.

As to Nadal, at 32 he can have a few good competitive years but let’s see how it all pans out.

Nole is in beast mode for now and I don’t see him slowing down immediately, but again it’s sports. and anything can happen.

 

[Jelenafan]

Djokovic certainly doesn't own him on fast hards. And even though he's won 2 out of 3 at that junk "grass" of Wimbledon I'm not sure that constitutes ownership either. Anyways the narrative is funny, Djokovic sucks for a couple years and completely dodges Roger. Yet years like 2014-2016 and Cincy 2018 are somehow considered decent versions of Roger.

Darth, it’s hard to keep with your versions of Federer. When a player steps out on the court that’s it. I mean geeze 3 years (2014-2016) and it’s not Roger out there? This isn’t Orphan Black with clones running around.

Too pat and convenient to say when your player loses, “it wasn’t really him out there”. Again who was it?

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Oh definitely Nole has a chance to overtake Rafa’s Majors total. I’m OK with that because well life’s more important than tennis records, and hey that’s sports. But hey but keep stanning Roger in that special fanatical bitter way if it rocks your boat. Whatever. You can ‘always spot an Uber fan of a player and not the sport for being overinvested in their player being sacrosanct, but oh well. Then they devolve to insulting but hey, par for the course.

LOL. What is it with these kids calling Nadal what they think are insulting nicknames, are they all five years old? Just freaky.

LOL good to know that you recognize yourself as an overzealous Nadal fangirl.

 

[DarthFed]

Darth, it’s hard to keep with your versions of Federer. When a player steps out on the court that’s it. I mean geeze 3 years (2014-2016) and it’s not Roger out there? This isn’t Orphan Black with clones running around.

Too pat and convenient to say when your player loses, “it wasn’t really him out there”. Again who was it?

My point is that a the crappy old version of Roger has still made a bunch of meetings with Djoker even during real awful points like 2013 and this recent Cincy debacle, and Djoker didn't show up to hand Roger a few wins in 2017 and early 2018...