Race to London'16

[Front242]

Yup. Usually Ferrer.

 

[El Dude]

Today's update. Goffin's out, Cilic is in and the cut is 3240.

3215 Thiem
3060 Berdych
2550 Tsonga

If Berdych wins tomorrow he's at 3240 and clinches, but Tomas has to beat Andy Murray. If he loses, Thiem clinches.

For Tsonga to clinch, he has to win the whole tournament, beating Milos tomorrow, then the winner of Berdych-Murray, then the other finalist (probably Novak or Cilic). If he loses any of those matches, he's out and both Thiem and Berdych are in.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Today's update. Goffin's out, Cilic is in and the cut is 3240.

3215 Thiem
3060 Berdych
2550 Tsonga

If Berdych wins tomorrow he's at 3240 and clinches, but Tomas has to beat Andy Murray. If he loses, Thiem clinches.

For Tsonga to clinch, he has to win the whole tournament, beating Milos tomorrow, then the winner of Berdych-Murray, then the other finalist (probably Novak or Cilic). If he loses any of those matches, he's out and both Thiem and Berdych are in.

How can both Thiem and Berdych be in ?

 

[El Dude]

Today's update. Goffin's out, Cilic is in and the cut is 3240.

3215 Thiem
3060 Berdych
2550 Tsonga

If Berdych wins tomorrow he's at 3240 and clinches, but Tomas has to beat Andy Murray. If he loses, Thiem clinches.

For Tsonga to clinch, he has to win the whole tournament, beating Milos tomorrow, then the winner of Berdych-Murray, then the other finalist (probably Novak or Cilic). If he loses any of those matches, he's out and both Thiem and Berdych are in.

How can both Thiem and Berdych be in ?

You're right, they can't. Cilic is in, so there's only one spot left. My revision:

- Berdych makes it if he wins tomorrow's match AND Tsonga doesn't win the tournament
- Thiem makes it if Berdych loses tomorrow AND Tsonga doesn't win the tournament
- Tsonga makes it if he wins the tournament

If Berdych loses tomorrow, he's eliminated; if he wins tomorrow, he makes it if Tsonga loses at any point. Tsonga is still in the race until he loses, at which point he'll be eliminated.

Things get interesting if both Berdych and Tsonga win tomorrow because they then face eachother in the SF to determine eligibility. If Berdych beats Tsonga, he makes it. If Tsonga beats Berdych, he doesn't clinch a spot unless he also wins the final. In other words, there's a scenario where both win tomorrow, Tsonga beats Berdych on Saturday, but then Tsonga loses on Sunday and Berdych clinches.

 

[isabelle]

Hope Tsonga can qualify, he made a lot of efforts to beat Kei yesterday, he ate a bagel...then he won, it was a great match, hope he can beat Milos today

 

[herios]

The top 8 for London are set with Tomas and Jo losing today

 

[isabelle]

congrats to Dom

 

[delPoFearhand]

The less important thing that Raonic said today is that he's not sure if he will play in London. If he withdraws, Berdych gets in through the back door, Goffin moves from 2nd to 1st alternate, and Tsonga becomes 2nd alternate. Will be interesting to see.

 

[Fiero425]

The less important thing that Raonic said today is that he's not sure if he will play in London. If he withdraws, Berdych gets in through the back door, Goffin moves from 2nd to 1st alternate, and Tsonga becomes 2nd alternate. Will be interesting to see.

I can't stand it when players do this; kill themselves to win a match just so they can withdraw the next day! Even the GOAT pulled that at the YEC a couple years ago! They need to either pull back on the # of tournaments played or start penalizing these walkovers; Nole had a couple at the USO alone! What in the world is going on? Back in the day, I can't remember players needed a Gen. Pract. courtside to deal with these fragile flowers! uzzled :nono :angel: :dodgy: :cover

 

[TennisFanatic7]

I've been hoping for some new faces at the O2 this year - nice that Monfils and Thiem have made it in to mix things up.

Hopefully Raonic is fit to play as everyone, including Tomas himself, must be bored of Berdych turning up to London every year having won a 250 tournament or two and pretty much playing the role of cannon fodder in the round robin stage.

At least Ferrer isn't there again this year. Lovely bloke but nice to see new blood in the line up.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I've been hoping for some new faces at the O2 this year - nice that Monfils and Thiem have made it in to mix things up.

Hopefully Raonic is fit to play as everyone, including Tomas himself, must be bored of Berdych turning up to London every year having won a 250 tournament or two and pretty much playing the role of cannon fodder in the round robin stage.

At least Ferrer isn't there again this year. Lovely bloke but nice to see new blood in the line up.

I agree with you that it is nice to see new faces at WTF. But, Monfils and Thiem are exactly the new faces, I did not want to see at WTF. Monfils never plays well against top players and find different ways of tanking matches and won't make WTF interesting. Thiem will be a good addition to WTF in general, but this year he is already so exhausted that he won't be able to give any decent fight to top players.

I would have preferred to see Tsonga, Kyrgios or Lucas in the WTF. I think both Kyrgios and Lucas will make it next year.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Monfils will be more interesting than Ferrer and Berdych and while he won't take any big wins in likelihood, I seriously don't see how you could expect Kyrgios or Pouille would be much more likely to upset anyone.

On recent evidence, Thiem probably will lose all of his matches, which is a shame.

However, if we get down to the crux of it, are any of them likely to keep Djokovic and Murray from the title? Nah.

 

[El Dude]

Stan is always dangerous--don't forget about him.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I really like the format of the tournament they use for the WTA Elite Trophy (AKA, loser's WTF).
The format involves 12 players divided into 4 groups of 3 players each. They play a complete round robin of three matches in each group. The winner of each group advances to single elimination regular draw with just two rounds, SF and F. The beauty of this format is that it is completely tanking proof.
It is not in the advantage of any player to tank any match. Perhaps, the ATP could try to expand the WTF into 12 player affair and use the Elite format.

 

[Fiero425]

I really like the format of the tournament they use for the WTA Elite Trophy (AKA, loser's WTF).
The format involves 12 players divided into 4 groups of 3 players each. They play a complete round robin of three matches in each group. The winner of each group advances to single elimination regular draw with just two rounds, SF and F. The beauty of this format is that it is completely tanking proof.
It is not in the advantage of any player to tank any match. Perhaps, the ATP could try to expand the WTF into 12 player affair and use the Elite format.

I almost never watched "The Grand Slam Cup" 20+ years ago, counting points in just the majors to decide the 12 players invited for this YEC Chp! Only once did a major winner not qualify on his own, dropping into the teens in the rankings, knocking out #12 on the list that qualified who may have been Agassi! :angel: :dodgy: :clap

 

[rafanoy1992]

There's a chance that one group will both get Wawrinka and Cilic. So, you know Djokovic and Murray are praying that does not happen at all.

 

[Fiero425]

There's a chance that one group will both get Wawrinka and Cilic. So, you know Djokovic and Murray are praying that does not happen at all.

My guess is since Nole dropped to #2, he's going to get them both! He really hurt himself by not winning just 1 more match in Paris! He's going down to his pigeons now; what's going on? :nono :cover :eyepop

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

There's a chance that one group will both get Wawrinka and Cilic. So, you know Djokovic and Murray are praying that does not happen at all.

My guess is since Nole dropped to #2, he's going to get them both! He really hurt himself by not winning just 1 more match in Paris! He's going down to his pigeons now; what's going on? :nono :cover :eyepop

How do you think Djokovic's form would change post Paris? Do you think he can improve his form and make some sort of an impact at WTF?

And what about Australian Open?

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[Fiero425]

There's a chance that one group will both get Wawrinka and Cilic. So, you know Djokovic and Murray are praying that does not happen at all.

My guess is since Nole dropped to #2, he's going to get them both! He really hurt himself by not winning just 1 more match in Paris! He's going down to his pigeons now; what's going on? :nono :cover :eyepop

How do you think Djokovic's form would change post Paris? Do you think he can improve his form and make some sort of an impact at WTF?

And what about Australian Open?

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Up to the FO I could depend on him at every event; taking Madrid unexpectedly by taking a last minute invitation from Tiriac himself! Djoker's been a near disaster since winning in Paris; barely making it over the finish line when he used to own the fall season! All he had to do was have ordinary results; not necessarily win, but he's been looking bad! He's having trouble with his pigeons as well as the other Big 3 with Stan and Andy! Nole has a winning record over Murray, but he hasn't been able to "get there!" I just don't know now! It seems like it makes sense that near perfection in 2015 into 2016 was going to have an adverse affect sooner or later; notwithstanding what drama is going on behind the scenes! I would think he'll make the semi's of the YEC and get knocked out! He may try to come back fresh in 2017, but recent results say he'll probably be upset early, maybe before the 4th round "down under!" It has to start happening after winning so many titles in a row! Heaven knows it hit Roger and Rafa hard as well after their near "lock" on majors and Masters when in their prime! I suppose he could be breaking down too; he's so spindly, it's almost scary! :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

My guess is since Nole dropped to #2, he's going to get them both! He really hurt himself by not winning just 1 more match in Paris! He's going down to his pigeons now; what's going on? :nono :cover :eyepop

How do you think Djokovic's form would change post Paris? Do you think he can improve his form and make some sort of an impact at WTF?

And what about Australian Open?

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Up to the FO I could depend on him at every event; taking Madrid unexpectedly by taking a last minute invitation from Tiriac himself! Djoker's been a near disaster since winning in Paris; barely making it over the finish line when he used to own the fall season! All he had to do was have ordinary results; not necessarily win, but he's been looking bad! He's having trouble with his pigeons as well as the other Big 3 with Stan and Andy! Nole has a winning record over Murray, but he hasn't been able to "get there!" I just don't know now! It seems like it makes sense that near perfection in 2015 into 2016 was going to have an adverse affect sooner or later; notwithstanding what drama is going on behind the scenes! I would think he'll make the semi's of the YEC and get knocked out! He may try to come back fresh in 2017, but recent results say he'll probably be upset early, maybe before the 4th round "down under!" It has to start happening after winning so many titles in a row! Heaven know it hit Roger and Rafa hard as well after their near "lock" on majors and Masters when in their prime! I suppose he could be breaking down too; he's so spindly, it's almost scary! :angel: :dodgy:

Does Djokovic have an injury?