PC BS

[calitennis127]

Cali, you are a racist and a homophobe.

Pathetic. Just pathetic. I make numerous points about sports culture and America that you find unpleasant, so what do you say? Absolutely nothing of substance because you have nothing to say and don't know about the topic. So then you just resort to standard epithet-hurling out of the only playbook you know.

I insult Bill Maher after complimenting numerous black people, yet I am a "racist." As a matter of fact, I am in large part an anti-white racist because of people like you Moxie. I have far more antipathy toward white leftists such as yourself than any non-white racial group, I assure you. I consider white people who agree with you politically to be the most dangerous and despicable people on the planet. So if you want to call me a racist against whites like yourself, then be my guest.

So let me turn this around.....Moxie, you are an anti-Christian, anti-male, anti-Republican bigot and a pseudo-intellectual who is wrong about everything and avoids rigorous conversation. You also are, in practice, extremely anti-black, anti-Hispanic, anti-Indian, and anti-Muslim. The only group that you are for is white leftists of the last 20 years.

You are delusional as to how you assess yourself as the one white boy that gets black culture in the US.

No substantive reply to anything that I have said. But this must be an attempt an objective description, I'm sure. Just like the WaPo headline about Baghdadi.

You are also a poor judge of other people's life experiences and characters on these forums

Actually, I don't pretend to know about their life experiences. This is a message board for discussing topics in the abstract. This isn't a cuddly social reinforcement group, except maybe to you. That said, you have shared plenty about your life on these forums and you certainly fit into a type that I am familiar with, so in your case specifically, I have a pretty good idea of what you're like.

You have no idea the lives that we live, the people that we love, the experiences we have had.

Nor do you. So what is the relevance of this point? Are you a biographer of everyone who posts here? Is that your side hobby?

And yet, rather than engage in debate, you just tell us who we are, what we think, and why we are so wrong.

Actually, I am the one engaging in debate. See my points above. I broke down Maher's thinking and what it inevitably leads to, but it was over your head and you had nothing to say. So what did you do? "Rather than engage in debate, you just tell me who I am, what I think, and why I am so wrong."

So, stop projecting. Either make an attempt at being intellectually rigorous or avoid the subject entirely.

 

[Federberg]

 

[mrzz]

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

These guys do not live in Ontario I can tell Here, "How you doin?" IS considered an unwanted sexual approach. But I also live in a place where "women" sue salons for refusing to wax their "balls" .

 

[britbox]

"How you doin?" IS considered an unwanted sexual approach.

I keep telling you mate... lose the Balaclava. The perception of your approaches will change.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I keep telling you mate... lose the Balaclava. The perception of your approaches will change.

I KNEW it !

 

[mrzz]

I kept getting references to the "Peloton ad" and finally got to see it. For fuck's sake people are absolutely demented. Anyone complaining about this ad should be shot in public.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I kept getting references to the "Peloton ad" and finally got to see it. For fuck's sake people are absolutely demented. Anyone complaining about this ad should be shot in public.

Some people are so fucked up that they are sending messages to the actor in the ad, saying he is a tool of the patriarchy and such...The guy is a fucking actor ! Reading a script !

 

[tented]

I kept getting references to the "Peloton ad" and finally got to see it. For fuck's sake people are absolutely demented. Anyone complaining about this ad should be shot in public.

Some people are so fucked up that they are sending messages to the actor in the ad, saying he is a tool of the patriarchy and such...The guy is a fucking actor ! Reading a script !

I just watched it, and have to agree. Let’s put it this way: if I had only seen the commercial, with no knowledge of this backlash, I never would have given it another thought. It’s completely innocent of all this bullshit. It’s nothing more than a husband giving his wife a gift. Period.

 

[calitennis127]

I kept getting references to the "Peloton ad" and finally got to see it. For fuck's sake people are absolutely demented. Anyone complaining about this ad should be shot in public.

This is the natural consequence of the ideology and social agenda pushed by the Democratic Party. The goal is to totally control people's minds to conform with a twisted and irrational view of the world.

 

[mrzz]

This is the natural consequence of the ideology and social agenda pushed by the Democratic Party. The goal is to totally control people's minds to conform with a twisted and irrational view of the world.

First, I am far from an expert in American politics. What I don't like about this approach is that it paints all the "left" (whatever that means) with the same large brush. For sure there is a particularly vocal group, with a set of "needs" (gasp!) that not too many people on the Democratic party seem to have the spine to openly confront.

On one hand, this is understandable. Part of the political job is to somehow contain -- but not lose your connection -- with the mad dogs on the extreme of your political spectrum. The "right" faces the same problem when dealing with white supremacists, for example. Few politicians have either the guts or the political credit to openly confront the extremists on its own side.

But I am quite sure that you are thinking that extremists on the left are much more entrenched on the "mainstream" that the equivalent on the "right". In the place where I live (Brazil) this is not true (it is now really fifty fifty, with a late surge from the extreme right). In America, from the outside, I would guess that yes, "extreme" left views are closer to political reality than the opposite. But, again, I am not an expert. It is impossible to gauge it properly when you have media outlets completely sold on their own agendas.

Having said that, not even the "real" left, world wide, is completely bought on so called "identity politics". Even if I am not a left leaning individual -- specially regarding economics -- I know that there are a lot of good and profound thinkers coming from the "left" (from an academic perspective). For example, you have a guy -- talking about "modern" thinkers -- like Slavoj Zizek, which is in a sense an "archetypal" left thinker -- which is one of the harder (and better) antagonists of identity politics.

In a nutshell, I agree that there is a relatively small, vocal and still reasonably irrelevant group that aims to "control people's minds". Also, that there is a smaller, albeit much much more powerful, group that uses the first group as their hound dogs. What I don't agree is that there is some sort of globally orchestrated movement going in this direction.

But I do agree that these two ultimately different, but opportunistically consonant, political agendas are already making a lot of casualties out there.

 

[Federberg]

 

[El Dude]

I haven't really been following the conversation in this thread, but I do think the Political Compass is of some use in that it differentiates two axes: economic and social. The economic axis boils down to degrees of socialism (left) and degrees of capitalism (right). The social axis is authoritarian vs. libertarian - not the party, but to what degree individual freedoms are advocated for, vs. ideological and cultural homogeneity (authoritarianism).

The pejorative term "social justice warrior" generally applies to people of a left-authoritarian mentality. Not all progressives (economic left) are authoritarian, but are instead libertarian. SJWism, or what I like to call Wokism, t is the left's answer to the right's religious fundamentalism. They aren't all that different in terms of underlying structure--that we all need to agree, that ideology should enforce certain behaviors, that if you don't agree you're a bigot, racist, sexist, sinner, etc. Fundamentalism by any other name. The irony is that in trying to enforce its view of diversity, it cuts out diversity of worldview, of the way we are "allowed" to think.

One tricky problem with identity politics is that it is based on real social justice issues. But it is often leveraged for political gain, even if it is enormously misplaced (e.g. Elizabeth Warren's allegations against Bernie about sexism). But we see this time and time again: using identity politics as political propaganda and smear tactics, yet actually undermining the legitimate concern (e.g. sexism, racism, etc). In other words, the sad thing is that the real concerns are diminished or blown over because of the misuse of such ideas for political gain.

 

[calitennis127]

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[calitennis127]

The pejorative term "social justice warrior" generally applies to people of a left-authoritarian mentality. Not all progressives (economic left) are authoritarian, but are instead libertarian. SJWism, or what I like to call Wokism, t is the left's answer to the right's religious fundamentalism. They aren't all that different in terms of underlying structure--that we all need to agree, that ideology should enforce certain behaviors, that if you don't agree you're a bigot, racist, sexist, sinner, etc. Fundamentalism by any other name. The irony is that in trying to enforce its view of diversity, it cuts out diversity of worldview, of the way we are "allowed" to think.

Yes, but the left-wing fundamentalists are totalitarian statists. They are creating and will continue to create a society that is far more oppressive and restrictive than anything that would be created by Biblical fundamentalists who do not adore gays and make them into role models for the rest of society.

I would also point out that this language of racism-sexism-homophobia is a very recent phenomenon. It was invented by a bunch of old white male exiles from Germany (the Frankfurt School thinkers) in the first part of the 20th century. Human beings have not always thought in terms of this vocabulary, largely because it is so utterly asinine and counterintuitive.

One tricky problem with identity politics is that it is based on real social justice issues. But it is often leveraged for political gain, even if it is enormously misplaced (e.g. Elizabeth Warren's allegations against Bernie about sexism). But we see this time and time again: using identity politics as political propaganda and smear tactics, yet actually undermining the legitimate concern (e.g. sexism, racism, etc). In other words, the sad thing is that the real concerns are diminished or blown over because of the misuse of such ideas for political gain.

I have to entirely disagree with you on this. As a Bernie Sanders supporter, you are resorting to the usual rhetorical ploy of arguing the following: "sexism" and "racism" are entirely legitimate charges, especially when applied to Republicans, but when applied to Bernie Sanders, they are utterly ridiculous. This mirrors the argument of Sanders supporters that the mainstream corporate media lies about Sanders. What never occurs to his fans is that the mainstream media lies about and smears right-wing opponents just as much as they do Sanders and that the justification for their accusations can be equally unwarranted when applied to Republicans.

It's comical to see Sanders supporters say "the media are total liars - except when they talk about Republicans" or "calling Sanders a sexist is absurd - but calling a Republican one always makes sense." The fact is that the charges in both cases are typically ridiculous. And, more fundamentally, this Frankfurt School vocabulary of racism-sexism-homophobia that has brainwashed much of humanity needs to be thrown in the trash bin of history for good. It is dumb, unscientific, counter-intuitive, illogical, and ultimately poisonous.

 

[mrzz]

By far the craziest shit I ever read:

The quest for trans rights has exposed a deep divide in the UK. Scotland may show a way forward | CNN

Campaigners who spoke to CNN are wracked with apprehension after a UK-wide consultation on changing the Gender Recognition Act manifested a toxic culture war. They say reform will create a more humane and equitable society, whereas critics have pitted one of the world's most maligned minorities...

edition.cnn.com

 

[Federberg]

By far the craziest shit I ever read:

The quest for trans rights has exposed a deep divide in the UK. Scotland may show a way forward | CNN

Campaigners who spoke to CNN are wracked with apprehension after a UK-wide consultation on changing the Gender Recognition Act manifested a toxic culture war. They say reform will create a more humane and equitable society, whereas critics have pitted one of the world's most maligned minorities...

edition.cnn.com

absolutely batshit crazy (and I use the bat with all the coronavirus toxicity applied to it!). You don't even have to lose your junk?? Seriously? Nuts..

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

By far the craziest shit I ever read:

The quest for trans rights has exposed a deep divide in the UK. Scotland may show a way forward | CNN

Campaigners who spoke to CNN are wracked with apprehension after a UK-wide consultation on changing the Gender Recognition Act manifested a toxic culture war. They say reform will create a more humane and equitable society, whereas critics have pitted one of the world's most maligned minorities...

edition.cnn.com

Reading Madness Of Crowds by Douglas Murray gave me hope that there are still sane people out there. Highly recommend it to everyone. It should be mandatory reading in every school, college, university.

 

[Horsa]

I was sorting out music the last couple of days & it made me wonder something. I remember watching a video with Dad when I was a little girl which stated that when Elvis made his 1st recording with Sun Records, America was looking for a white artiste with a black sound & when Elvis recorded "That's alright for Mama" they thought they'd found what they were looking for. Would that video be banned today for not being politically correct? Also, going on the other extreme, I was listening to Sammy Davis, Junior too. He was a coloured man who sounded white in my opinion. (I think he was a good singer & comedian. That by today's standards would probably seem o.k. because of how whites were seen in time but then again it doesn't make people equal. It's not politically correct & shouldn't be mentioned.

 

[mrzz]

I was sorting out music the last couple of days & it made me wonder something. I remember watching a video with Dad when I was a little girl which stated that when Elvis made his 1st recording with Sun Records, America was looking for a white artiste with a black sound & when Elvis recorded "That's alright for Mama" they thought they'd found what they were looking for. Would that video be banned today for not being politically correct? Also, going on the other extreme, I was listening to Sammy Davis, Junior too. He was a coloured man who sounded white in my opinion. (I think he was a good singer & comedian. That by today's standards would probably seem o.k. because of how whites were seen in time but then again it doesn't make people equal. It's not politically correct & shouldn't be mentioned.

I stay for more than a month barely able to post, then I find a small window of opportunity, what do I find here? Someone trying to start a SERIOUS discussion about PCness on the PC BS thread. BS! BULL-SHIT! You should respect the safe space of bullshitenders and bullshiters! There is a SERIOUS PC discussion thread somewhere, but no, you bulshiterfobe needed to spit in the bullshiters face, right? And what the moderators are doing, instead of moderate? They are lying their couches, lazily drinking and eating while the forum world is on fire! Shame, shame!!!!!!!

By the way I HATE Elvis! And this should be on the hate thread! Oh, I my self became bullshiterphobe! Shame on me!