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I was just checking him out and saw a couple of interviews. I liked that he didn't fold. He'd explained himself already. Glad he pushed back.

I think Hollywood and Mainstream Television aren't helping themselves... they are just accelerating a drive to the splintering of the whole entertainment business. I watch tons of Indie Youtube channels these days - far more than TV... Far less sanitized, much greater pushback from loyal audiences to pandering to the whims of each and every offended minority group.
He actually did finally make a better apology, if you want to call that "folding. But he does make good points about how many times to you have to apologize. And if a person is not allowed to evolve.

I don't necessarily agree that they're going to splinter the entertainment business. It is generally liberal and full of LGBTQ people. Not sure that watching YouTube channels puts you on the cutting edge more than hearing what you want to hear. It is meaningful that you don't like "pandering to the whims of every offended minority group." Easy to say when you're a middle-class white guy. Perhaps you could reconsider "pandering" and "whims," and see that there are centuries of actual insult that people are trying to address. Obviously, it's not always done perfectly.
 

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He actually did finally make a better apology, if you want to call that "folding. But he does make good points about how many times to you have to apologize. And if a person is not allowed to evolve.

I don't necessarily agree that they're going to splinter the entertainment business. It is generally liberal and full of LGBTQ people. Not sure that watching YouTube channels puts you on the cutting edge more than hearing what you want to hear. It is meaningful that you don't like "pandering to the whims of every offended minority group." Easy to say when you're a middle-class white guy. Perhaps you could reconsider "pandering" and "whims," and see that there are centuries of actual insult that people are trying to address. Obviously, it's not always done perfectly.

The guy was black was he not? Not some middle class white guy. This isn't specific to race - it's specific to pretty much everything.

The entertainment business, the news business... pretty much every dimension of media is splintering... and that's not a bad thing. You might laugh at Youtube channels but some content creators get millions of subscribers.

I'll give you an example - Only Fools and Horses was the biggest UK sitcom of the 1980s. When the BBC re-run it they edit episodes for language that might offend. Netflix don't edit it at all. I see even shows like Friends are getting pulled over the coals in the modern climate for "offensive" content. Comedy is going underground - there are comedians that would have been on mainstream TV who are no considered safe enough... now they find homes on alternative online channels. Heck, many comedians won't even go near the US or Canadian college circuit these days...
 

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The guy was black was he not? Not some middle class white guy. This isn't specific to race - it's specific to pretty much everything.

The entertainment business, the news business... pretty much every dimension of media is splintering... and that's not a bad thing. You might laugh at Youtube channels but some content creators get millions of subscribers.

I'll give you an example - Only Fools and Horses was the biggest UK sitcom of the 1980s. When the BBC re-run it they edit episodes for language that might offend. Netflix don't edit it at all. I see even shows like Friends are getting pulled over the coals in the modern climate for "offensive" content. Comedy is going underground - there are comedians that would have been on mainstream TV who are no considered safe enough... now they find homes on alternative online channels. Heck, many comedians won't even go near the US or Canadian college circuit these days...
I think you anti-PC people are getting too hysterical. Not only do you have no empathy, but now you're feeling put upon. This is what gave us Trump in the US. I think a little more open-mindness could go a long way, on both sides, as I mentioned, and has always been my point.
 
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I think you anti-PC people are getting too hysterical. Not only do you have no empathy, but now you're feeling put upon. This is what gave us Trump in the US. I think a little more open-mindness could go a long way, on both sides, as I mentioned, and has always been my point.
Comedy is not supposed to have empathy. It's supposed to be raw and a release from "real-world bullshit"... in fact, it's supposed to laugh at it...
 

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P.C. has really gone crazy now if this is true. Mary Poppins, 1 of my favourite films as a child has been blasted as racist. I just don't believe it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...-rooftop-scene/ar-BBT5LKT?ocid=spartanntp_edu

Not surprising... I watched a decent movie on Netflix recently called Bird Box. That's getting hammered on social media for not showing empathy to people with mental health problems... what next... Michael Myers from Halloween stereotyping serial killers?
 

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Not surprising... I watched a decent movie on Netflix recently called Bird Box. That's getting hammered on social media for not showing empathy to people with mental health problems... what next... Michael Myers from Halloween stereotyping serial killers?
What got me most about the "Mary Poppins" example is that it was the chimney sweep scene. People used coal-fires for heating so needed chimneys which needed to be swept every now & then. Chimney sweeps swept chimneys. There was soot up chimneys. Some soot came down the chimney when it was being swept & some fell on the chimney sweeps. Soot was black. What colour were the chimney sweeps faces supposed to be? It's the same as seeing a coal-miner coming out of a mine & expecting him to have a clean face.

That's ridiculous though I think that the stigma attached to some mental health problems needs to be done away with. The way to go about that though is to acknowledge that there are all different types of mental health problems that affect different people in different ways & not everyone with a mental health problem is crazy or a danger to the public although some are. Some criminals play on mental health to get easier punishments. I think the world needs more mental health awareness. Psychopaths can be dangerous & need dealing with as do some schizophrenics. Anxiety & depression is understandable in some circumstances as is insomnia & some phobias. There were & are some extremely intelligent people who have suffered from mental health conditions. Examples include Albert Einsteinn, Charles Darwin, Charles Dickens, Charlotte Bronte & John Nash. Creative people are more susceptible to mental health issues. I think stereotyping people is all wrong because not all people who come under 1 label are the same. I suffered from anxiety & depression but I never had the concentration & memory problems associated with those conditions as the reason why I suffered from the conditions were due to the circumstances I was under. I'm afraid I can't answer your question. There are all different reasons & theories about why people commit crimes & these different theories & reasons don't explain all crimes. Mental illness is only 1 of them though it's very easy to think that people are sick, bitter & twisted because they did what most people wouldn't even dream of. We've also got to think about the circumstances people were under because if someone poses a threat to you, you're going to retaliate & it's hard to prove you acted in self-defence & only used reasonable force. However, I won't go into more detail about criminological theories because this thread is about P.C. going O.T.T. & is supposed to be a bit of fun & I don't want to annoy everyone.
 
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What got me most about the "Mary Poppins" example is that it was the chimney sweep scene. People used coal-fires for heating so needed chimneys which needed to be swept every now & then. Chimney sweeps swept chimneys. There was soot up chimneys. Some soot came down the chimney when it was being swept & some fell on the chimney sweeps. Soot was black. What colour were the chimney sweeps faces supposed to be? It's the same as seeing a coal-miner coming out of a mine & expecting him to have a clean face.

That's ridiculous though I think that the stigma attached to some mental health problems needs to be done away with. The way to go about that though is to acknowledge that there are all different types of mental health problems that affect different people in different ways & not everyone with a mental health problem is crazy or a danger to the public although some are. Some criminals play on mental health to get easier punishments. I think the world needs more mental health awareness. Psychopaths can be dangerous & need dealing with as do some schizophrenics. Anxiety & depression is understandable in some circumstances as is insomnia & some phobias. There were & are some extremely intelligent people who have suffered from mental health conditions. Examples include Albert Einsteinn, Charles Darwin, Charles Dickens, Charlotte Bronte & John Nash. Creative people are more susceptible to mental health issues. I think stereotyping people is all wrong because not all people who come under 1 label are the same. I suffered from anxiety & depression but I never had the concentration & memory problems associated with those conditions as the reason why I suffered from the conditions were due to the circumstances I was under. I'm afraid I can't answer your question. There are all different reasons & theories about why people commit crimes & these different theories & reasons don't explain all crimes. Mental illness is only 1 of them though it's very easy to think that people are sick, bitter & twisted because they did what most people wouldn't even dream of. We've also got to think about the circumstances people were under because if someone poses a threat to you, you're going to retaliate & it's hard to prove you acted in self-defence & only used reasonable force. However, I won't go into more detail about criminological theories because this thread is about P.C. going O.T.T. & is supposed to be a bit of fun & I don't want to annoy everyone.

The analysis you made is spot on, but you don't fight prejudice over controlling what people say, you fight prejudice with education. Stigmas are a consequence of ignorance. It is up to anyone's best judgment the determination of how far one wants to go. The moment this controlled from the outside that, stigmatization only gets stronger.

Actually my whole point is that I would be very pissed to miss this:

 

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The analysis you made is spot on, but you don't fight prejudice over controlling what people say, you fight prejudice with education. Stigmas are a consequence of ignorance. It is up to anyone's best judgment the determination of how far one wants to go. The moment this controlled from the outside that, stigmatization only gets stronger.

Actually my whole point is that I would be very pissed to miss this:


Thank you very much. I know. People who stigmatize others indulge in the common cognitive distortion of labelling/mislabelling in the same way that people who stereotype others do but people who believe in stereotypes also over-generalise. That was part of my point. That's why I mentioned mental health awareness which I think should be more widespread. I think that if mental health awareness was more widespread people would be more liable to go for help & get seen to quicker so there would be less of a chance of people harming themselves or others. The way some of the emotional well-being practitioners do assessments makes people less likely to accept help unless forced too. Some of the recommended books which are supposed to be good upset you more at 1st. My friends suggestions of mindfulness, meditation & hygge had a much quicker effect than C.B.T. or transactional analysis & was more efficient. I think the reason for this was I tend to over-analyse things anyway so those treatments only make things worse for me as I realised my flaws, felt guilty about them & felt the need to explain & apologise for everything whereas the techniques suggested by friends focus on relaxing & getting me to slow right down & find the happy place behind all thoughts so I can just let thoughts & feelings be without responding to them & watch them pass. I just couldn't switch off before incorporating these techniques into my life. These techniques also involve being in the here & now except for when learning mistakes from the past & answering questions asked about the past & action-planning & goal-setting. I just have to keep the habit of incorporating them into my life going.

Thank you very much for the comedy. I had a good laugh. :0)
 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47117177

This is what frustrates me about people in this day and age. Liam Neeson, in my view, has given an honest account about what he was feeling at a time in his life when something awful happened to someone close to him. Does that make him a racist? Only to someone completely idiotic. How can we get past all of these identity wars if people are being crucified for coming foward with an honest accounting? I don't see anything in his recent comments that indicates that he thinks that what he did was right, he himself characterised it as terrible. But the moral police must have their day :facepalm::banghead:
 
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I have to say, this continuing attack on Joe Biden is starting to get irritating. It's actually turning me against the Democratic Party. Get over yourselves, he did it to men too! FFS... no one has claimed any of this was sexual in nature but the bunch of you are so up your own arses you seem to forget you've got the groper in chief in the white house. You're all fkg nuts!!
 
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I have to say, this continuing attack on Joe Biden is starting to get irritating. It's actually turning me against the Democratic Party. Get over yourselves, he did it to men too! FFS... no one has claimed any of this was sexual in nature but the bunch of you are so up your own arses you seem to forget you've got the groper in chief in the white house. You're all fkg nuts!!

This sort of stuff might have been useful for the Dems attacking Republicans but it'll just end up eating them from within as their own candidates start using the same tactics.
 

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This sort of stuff might have been useful for the Dems attacking Republicans but it'll just end up eating them from within as their own candidates start using the same tactics.
Yup! I think that's exactly what they're doing. The first complainant is a Bernie Sanders supporter. I could never be Sanders supporter because of his socialist views (although I have a lot of sympathy for his reasons) but this type of behaviour if it's being manipulated by Sanders reminds me of his being a bad loser when he lost to HRC. He was willing to do damage to his party (oh wait! he isn't even a Democrat) at the cost of the bigger prize. That has the taint of the same self conceit Trump has. This doesn't bode well for the Democratic challenge