Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[Kieran]

The only way he could get into Texas is if he flew to Mexico first and tried to come in illegally at the border there. And even then, there's no guarantee. I think he would have to state his intention to request asylum and I'm pretty sure all those crossing the border have to get the jab and go to a holding center if they want to stay. I don't see that happening. So Texas is a non-starter.

It’s wild, isn’t it? Not far fetched though. This bloke will not stand on his principles…

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

It’s wild, isn’t it? Not far fetched though. This bloke will not stand on his principles…

Remember when Novak stuffed up the draw at IW tournament earlier this year.He was on the entry list and therefore was placed in the draw.Tournament officials were in communication with his team to withdraw from the tournament.We learnt that Novak was trying to get a CDC approval to enter the country? anyway CDC wasnt granted and eventually his team withdrew him from the tournament. ( Novak was also entered on the Miami tournament, he also withdrew after he could not get into IW).

 

[TheSicilian]

He isn’t getting anything in NYC either currently.

He obviously hasn't learnt anything from his drama in Australia...

 

[TheSicilian]

In regards to Novak not being allowed to play at the USO, I am hearing some of his fans think he can get into Texas okay and then travel to NYC? have they got rocks in their heads lol!

Australia open part 2... Maybe it will mean Rafa can beat Medvedev in the final again

 

[Moxie]

The only way he could get into Texas is if he flew to Mexico first and tried to come in illegally at the border there. And even then, there's no guarantee. I think he would have to state his intention to request asylum and I'm pretty sure all those crossing the border have to get the jab and go to a holding center if they want to stay. I don't see that happening. So Texas is a non-starter.

What are these people smoking? Crossing the border in TX is no different than coming in at JFK. People who enter illegally generally keep their heads down once here. I don't think playing the USO would qualify as keeping a low-profile. Someone would wonder how he got in. And just to mention, I know a cinematographer who got caught shooting in the US without a work visa, (had not entered illegally, just not legal to work,) and he got banned from the US for 7 years. I'm sure Novak is NOT entertaining this option. Even HIS lawyers are not THAT terrible.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

What are these people smoking? Crossing the border in TX is no different than coming in at JFK. People who enter illegally generally keep their heads down once here. I don't think playing the USO would qualify as keeping a low-profile. Someone would wonder how he got in. And just to mention, I know a cinematographer who got caught shooting in the US without a work visa, (had not entered illegally, just not legal to work,) and he got banned from the US for 7 years. I'm sure Novak is NOT entertaining this option. Even HIS lawyers are not THAT terrible.

I would imagine Novak's lawyers are sitting down and working out a letter to our Australian Immigration Minister as to why Novak's 3 year ban should be over turned. Don't think for one minute our officials here,are not watching for any untoward behavior from Novak trying to illegally enter another country so he can play tennis

 

[rafanoy1992]

Tiley must have friends in high places eg the board of Tennis Australia, I felt he should have stood down, his handling of the whole Novak debacle warranted it, nothing at all, he continues in his current job.

Do you think the current federal government will revoke Djokovic’s ban, Margaret?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Do you think the current federal government will revoke Djokovic’s ban, Margaret?

Well at present you do not have to be a vaccinated person to enter into Australia, though he has had his visa cancelled, he has to give good reason to our Federal Immigration Minister, why their should issued him a new visa.Presently I would say no, though things could change in 5 months time.

 

[kskate2]

What are these people smoking? Crossing the border in TX is no different than coming in at JFK. People who enter illegally generally keep their heads down once here. I don't think playing the USO would qualify as keeping a low-profile. Someone would wonder how he got in. And just to mention, I know a cinematographer who got caught shooting in the US without a work visa, (had not entered illegally, just not legal to work,) and he got banned from the US for 7 years. I'm sure Novak is NOT entertaining this option. Even HIS lawyers are not THAT terrible.

One can only hope.

 

[Moxie]

One can only hope.

I say that not as a slag on him, but I honestly feel they did him a huge disservice in the AO debacle. Why do you HAVE lawyers? He seemed to go to Australia on a wing and a prayer, and a promissory note from Craig Tiley. Now, maybe that is naive. Maybe they did know that there could be a battle, and those Australian lawyers were all lined up and prepped. If that is the case, though, that means he was not the innocent going in, and he knew it might take attorney muscle to get him in.

As to fine points, I looked it up. After I said the guy I know (of) who was kicked out for working without a visa, (he was Canadian, btw, and it was a one-day shoot. For a Canadian company, with a Canadian crew. The Canadians are very generous about letting us in from the US to shoot there, but the reciprocation is poor...) anyway, so it made me think about the "work visa" aspect of what athletes come in on. They come on a P1-A visa, which is specific to performers and athletes, at top level, for limited engagements. I'm sure no one here believes that Novak is going to try to sneak over the border, either from Mexico OR Canada, but just to say, aside from the vaccination requirements, he needs a very specific visa to play the USO, or Cincy.

 

[Moxie]

Not so "out there". Texas petitioning Biden to let in Novak: https://www.marca.com/en/tennis/us-open/2022/07/14/62cf92d1e2704e76678b45b0.html

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Not so "out there". Texas petitioning Biden to let in Novak: https://www.marca.com/en/tennis/us-open/2022/07/14/62cf92d1e2704e76678b45b0.html

I have No Words....Novak is a tennis player, he is not vaccinated, has no intention of getting vaccinated, so why should he be allowed to enter the US under their current vaccination laws, this will set a precedent and not a good one,if he is allowed to enter the US.

 

[Kieran]

I have No Words....Novak is a tennis player, he is not vaccinated, so why should he be allowed to enter the US under their current vaccination laws, this will set a precedent and not a good one,if he is allowed to enter the US.

It’s not too extraordinary, given the way they do politics in America. The Texan is making a point about illegal immigration, which many in his tribe believe that many in the other tribe are actively encouraging. He’s using Djoker to make the point. It’s going to be Djokers immediate destiny, to be used as a tennis ball in a political rally between two tribes, where the purpose of the rally isn’t even immigration - or Djokovic.

McEnroe’s part in all this is typical of him, being illiterate about the situation. He was the same in Australia, and the same about Wimbledon, where he became conflustered wondering what Belarus had to do with the situation. I think it had to be explained to him, using crayons and an abacus, that there’s actually a serious war going on in Ukraine.

Djokovic would help himself better if he didn’t make any public moves, and instead do what he should have done before he went to Australia, which is to hire the lawyers beforehand, to find out what the legal situation is, and is there any way around it. Had he done this before Australia, he would have stayed in Serbia.

Of course, he might still have done this before Australia and thought, to hell with it, I’m Novak Djokovic! I’m entitled to play! If I act up enough and throw money at the problem, they’ll all back down..

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

It’s not too extraordinary, given the way they do politics in America. The Texan is making a point about illegal immigration, which many in his tribe believe that many in the other tribe are actively encouraging. He’s using Djoker to make the point. It’s going to be Djokers immediate destiny, to be used as a tennis ball in a political rally between two tribes, where the purpose of the rally isn’t even immigration - or Djokovic.

McEnroe’s part in all this is typical of him, being illiterate about the situation. He was the same in Australia, and the same about Wimbledon, where he became conflustered wondering what Belarus had to do with the situation. I think it had to be explained to him, using crayons and an abacus, that there’s actually a serious war going on in Ukraine.

Djokovic would help himself better if he didn’t make any public moves, and instead do what he should have done before he went to Australia, which is to hire the lawyers beforehand, to find out what the legal situation is, and is there any way around it. Had he done this before Australia, he would have stayed in Serbia.

Of course, he might still have done this before Australia and thought, to hell with it, I’m Novak Djokovic! I’m entitled to play! If I act up enough and throw money at the problem, they’ll all back down..

Trying to set Novak as a example as a point for illegal immigration to me is 'clutching at straws'., he is a tennis player for goodness sake, let us put this into prospective, I mean I saw all the ranting on Twitter from Novak fans thinking he could enter Texas then go to NYC to play tennis at the USO this year, this has become ' farcial'.'

 

[Kieran]

Trying to set Novak as a example as a point for illegal immigration to me is 'clutching at straws'., he is a tennis player for goodness sake, let us put this into prospective, I mean I saw all the ranting on Twitter from Novak fans thinking he could enter Texas then go to NYC to play tennis at the USO this year, this has become ' farcial'.'

Yeah but the bloke is saying, “you’re letting in so many unvaccinated, illegally, what’s one more?”

His point is about immigration, but chucking Djokers name in there grabs headlines.

“Novak fans on Twitter” is like anything else on Twitter; pitchforks, flaming torches, lunacy..

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Yeah but the bloke is saying, “you’re letting in so many unvaccinated, illegally, what’s one more?”

His point is about immigration, but chucking Djokers name in there grabs headlines.

“Novak fans on Twitter” is like anything else on Twitter; pitchforks, flaming torches, lunacy..

Using Novak to grab headlines? I really cannot see Novak being allowed to enter the USA, hopefully common sense will prevail from the President.

 

[Kieran]

Using Novak to grab headlines? I really cannot see Novak being allowed to enter the USA, hopefully common sense will prevail from the President.

As the law stands, there’s no chance of him entering the states. The Texan isn’t trying to get Novak into the states. Hopefully however, sense prevails eventually and they drop the mandate, though it won’t happen this summer…

 

[kskate2]

Yeah but the bloke is saying, “you’re letting in so many unvaccinated, illegally, what’s one more?”

His point is about immigration, but chucking Djokers name in there grabs headlines.

“Novak fans on Twitter” is like anything else on Twitter; pitchforks, flaming torches, lunacy..

Moxie is right. Biden is busy w/ so many other important issues and he would do well to stay far away from that. I'm sorry to Djoke fans but the plight of one unvaxx tennis player is not a priority here. We are dealing with serious issues where people are losing their lives daily.

I mean look at the Brittney Griner situation, and she is a US citizen. The administration wouldn't touch that with a 10 ft pole.

 

[kskate2]

I say that not as a slag on him, but I honestly feel they did him a huge disservice in the AO debacle. Why do you HAVE lawyers? He seemed to go to Australia on a wing and a prayer, and a promissory note from Craig Tiley. Now, maybe that is naive. Maybe they did know that there could be a battle, and those Australian lawyers were all lined up and prepped. If that is the case, though, that means he was not the innocent going in, and he knew it might take attorney muscle to get him in.

As to fine points, I looked it up. After I said the guy I know (of) who was kicked out for working without a visa, (he was Canadian, btw, and it was a one-day shoot. For a Canadian company, with a Canadian crew. The Canadians are very generous about letting us in from the US to shoot there, but the reciprocation is poor...) anyway, so it made me think about the "work visa" aspect of what athletes come in on. They come on a P1-A visa, which is specific to performers and athletes, at top level, for limited engagements. I'm sure no one here believes that Novak is going to try to sneak over the border, either from Mexico OR Canada, but just to say, aside from the vaccination requirements, he needs a very specific visa to play the USO, or Cincy.

I'm glad you took the time to research this. My sister and her husband lived in Canada for 20 years running missions and they had to apply for a very specific work visa every year to stay there.

As to the bolded part, I honestly believe when he boarded the plane to Aus, he had no idea this thing would turn that ugly. I think like most other celebrities, his arrogance believes he is bigger than the sport. My celebrity/payroll entourage will close any apparent gap.

 

[britbox]

I'm glad you took the time to research this. My sister and her husband lived in Canada for 20 years running missions and they had to apply for a very specific work visa every year to stay there.

As to the bolded part, I honestly believe when he boarded the plane to Aus, he had no idea this thing would turn that ugly. I think like most other celebrities, his arrogance believes he is bigger than the sport. My celebrity/payroll entourage will close any apparent gap.

What research? I'm calling Moxie out on this. No, Djokovic did not go to Australia on a mate's handshake from Craig Tiley. Djokovic applied for, and was granted a temporary visa from the Australian Federal Government. That is beyond dispute from the court hearings.

Djokovic's Visa was withdrawn on the premise that he would encourage anti-mandate/anti-vax groups in Australia. That was the court determination. The whole circus was political from the get-go.

Does anyone really think Djokovic is going to sneak over the Texas border in a migrant caravan and illegally play in the US Open? Really? Who dreams this crap up?