Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[kskate2]

What research? I'm calling Moxie out on this. No, Djokovic did not go to Australia on a mate's handshake from Craig Tiley. Djokovic applied for, and was granted a temporary visa from the Australian Federal Government. That is beyond dispute from the court hearings.

Djokovic's Visa was withdrawn on the premise that he would encourage anti-mandate/anti-vax groups in Australia. That was the court determination. The whole circus was political from the get-go.

Does anyone really think Djokovic is going to sneak over the Texas border in a migrant caravan and illegally play in the US Open? Really? Who dreams this crap up?

Good afternoon Baron. The research I was referring to was about the type of work visas she mentioned are required for athletes here in the U.S.

 

[Fiero425]

Yeah, the wording isn’t exactly clear, is it? My interpretation is if someone ranked higher than Novak were to the USO, then Djokovic would become an alternate, since he would become No. 9, and the winner of the USO would be No. 8.

Just started reading that US Senators are asking Biden about allowing Djokovic to enter The States so he can play the USO believe it or not!

 

[britbox]

Good afternoon Baron. The research I was referring to was about the type of work visas she mentioned are required for athletes here in the U.S

Fair enough, but on the Djokovic Australian fiasco there seems to be developing an urban myth that he didn't really have clearance with the correct authorities. He did...and it was revoked by the same parties who gave it to him. A political stunt.

 

[kskate2]

Fair enough, but on the Djokovic Australian fiasco there seems to be developing an urban myth that he didn't really have clearance with the correct authorities. He did...and it was revoked by the same parties who gave it to him. A political stunt.

I don't doubt that. And now politicians here are asking Biden to allow him in. Another political stunt. That's a setup if I ever saw one. Like I said before, someone on Biden's team should tell him to steer clear of that.

 

[Kieran]

Fair enough, but on the Djokovic Australian fiasco there seems to be developing an urban myth that he didn't really have clearance with the correct authorities. He did...and it was revoked by the same parties who gave it to him. A political stunt.

Well, we know he didn’t have a valid medical exemption, according to the government website - it listed what’s NOT a valid medical exemption and in this list included previously having caught the virus - and this was the most essential criteria, if he was to enter the country, and we know he lied on his visa application form, somehow forgetting his recent travel itinerary in the weeks before arriving in Australia, and we know that he caught covid but acted as if he was not only above the law - which in this matter, he broke - but above nature too, by continuing with his schedule in full view of everybody, regardless of whether or not they caught it from him.

So I hardly think he’s blameless - in fact I think he had no grounds to enter the country, and didn’t help himself at all…

 

[britbox]

Well, we know he didn’t have a valid medical exemption, according to the government website - it listed what’s NOT a valid medical exemption and in this list included previously having caught the virus - and this was the most essential criteria, if he was to enter the country, and we know he lied on his visa application form, somehow forgetting his recent travel itinerary in the weeks before arriving in Australia, and we know that he caught covid but acted as if he was not only above the law - which in this matter, he broke - but above nature too, by continuing with his schedule in full view of everybody, regardless of whether or not they caught it from him.

So I hardly think he’s blameless - in fact I think he had no grounds to enter the country, and didn’t help himself at all…

None of which had anything to do with why his visa was revoked.

 

[Kieran]

None of which had anything to do with why his visa was revoked.

All of which, however, had everything to do with why he shouldn’t have been allowed to enter. I think they had to boot him out, because if they made an exception for him under these circumstances, it would have given others a valid reason to break Australian Covid laws…

 

[britbox]

I don't doubt that. And now politicians here are asking Biden to allow him in. Another political stunt. That's a setup if I ever saw one. Like I said before, someone on Biden's team should tell him to steer clear of that.

They can just add that to the teleprompter. He'll say whatever is on it, problem solved.

 

[britbox]

All of which, however, had everything to do with why he shouldn’t have been allowed to enter. I think they had to boot him out, because if they made an exception for him under these circumstances, it would have given others a valid reason to break Australian Covid laws…

They'd already granted the Visa... the same Visa previously granted to others... who also got kicked out after he'd arrived. So he wasn't an exception... and they aren't laws, rather mandates, which by legal definition requires a mandatory (somebody who contractually accepts the mandate). The Australian Government isn't even operating under their seal of authority... which was ditched a long time ago without a referendum, but that's too involved to discuss here... His manner of despatch wasn't related to any of the scenarios you mention (some of which might have some validity), the legal ruling was plain and enforced.

 

[Front242]

They can just add that to the teleprompter. He'll say whatever is on it, problem solved.

This one was even worse. Senile old fool. An embarrassment.

 

[Kieran]

This one was even worse. Senile old fool. An embarrassment.

They should set some of that to music…

 

[Kieran]

They'd already granted the Visa... the same Visa previously granted to others... who also got kicked out after he'd arrived. So he wasn't an exception... and they aren't laws, rather mandates, which by legal definition requires a mandatory (somebody who contractually accepts the mandate). The Australian Government isn't even operating under their seal of authority... which was ditched a long time ago without a referendum, but that's too involved to discuss here... His manner of despatch wasn't related to any of the scenarios you mention (some of which might have some validity), the legal ruling was plain and enforced.

Brother, I agree with you on the Australian covid policies, and I’m sure you’re correct in how they behaved, given that they’re professional politicians, not a breed I like - but there was no reason why Djoker could be allowed to enter the country. He didn’t have a valid exemption, and he lied on his visa application. All the rest of it could have been easily known to him in advance but he decided to chance the arm, rather than standing on his principles.

The BBC even suggested that his covid test results were off sequence and therefore might have been faked. I don’t think anything came of that, but it’s a sign of how untrustworthy he’d become…

 

[britbox]

Brother, I agree with you on the Australian covid policies, and I’m sure you’re correct in how they behaved, given that they’re professional politicians, not a breed I like - but there was no reason why Djoker could be allowed to enter the country. He didn’t have a valid exemption, and he lied on his visa application. All the rest of it could have been easily known to him in advance but he decided to chance the arm, rather than standing on his principles.

The BBC even suggested that his covid test results were off sequence and therefore might have been faked. I don’t think anything came of that, but it’s a sign of how untrustworthy he’d become…

Kieran - whether you like it or not, Djokovic was granted a Visa to the country... and the Visa was revoked in the interests of national security on the basis of him "empowering" anti-vax/anti-mandate groups. That is the official ruling. You might have ten million reasons why you think he shouldn't have been allowed in, but that was the official binding ruling that stripped him of his Visa. Anything else is just opinion... which is fine... but let's keep the reasons why he was stripped of his Visa on the record, based on the rulings. He might have been doing somersaults in an old folks home without a mask... but that wasn't the reason his Visa was revoked.

 

[Kieran]

Kieran - whether you like it or not, Djokovic was granted a Visa to the country... and the Visa was revoked in the interests of national security on the basis of him "empowering" anti-vax/anti-mandate groups. That is the official ruling. You might have ten million reasons why you think he shouldn't have been allowed in, but that was the official binding ruling that stripped him of his Visa. Anything else is just opinion... which is fine... but let's keep the reasons why he was stripped of his Visa on the record, based on the rulings. He might have been doing somersaults in an old folks home without a mask... but that wasn't the reason his Visa was revoked.

Exactly as I said:

All of which, however, had everything to do with why he shouldn’t have been allowed to enter. I think they had to boot him out, because if they made an exception for him under these circumstances, it would have given others a valid reason to break Australian Covid laws…

They couldn’t let him in after everything he did up until then. So if he also somersaulted in an old folks home without a mask, shame on him!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Good Morning Britbox..... Happy to see you back posting at TF

I understand you are against COVID vaccinations, like Novak that is your choice.
What got me really annoyed Novak tested positive to COVID in Serbia, their rules at the time was to self isolate, he went out the next day for a photo shoot and also attended a trophy presentation. It was like snubbing the rules of COVID which were in force.
Novak said later in hindsight he should not have attended.

 

[Kieran]

Good Morning Britbox..... Happy to see you back posting at TF

I understand you are against COVID vaccinations, like Novak that is your choice.
What got me really annoyed Novak tested positive to COVID in Serbia, their rules at the time was to self isolate, he went out the next day for a photo shoot and also attended a trophy presentation. It was like snubbing the rules of COVID which were in force.
Novak said later in hindsight he should not have attended.

I’ll slightly amend this:

Novak noticed in hindsight that breaking the law was not a good idea and might have consequences that affect his ambitions…

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I’ll slightly amend this:

Novak noticed in hindsight that breaking the law was not a good idea and might have consequences that affect his ambitions…

Hmm I will give you permission I guess.

 

[Kieran]

Hmm I will give you permission I guess.

You had no choice, because we both agree!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Britbox,

Seeing we have a change of government now in Australia, and if you remember at the time, the opposition leader, now our new Prime Minister, Albanese, was putting a lot of pressure on Scott Morrison to have Novak deported.Novak is banned for 3 years. International travelers do not require to be vaccinated against COVID to enter Australia.
Novak will have to re-apply for a new visa to Immigration officials.Do you think Immigration Mimister will over turn his ban and issue a new visa?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Another thing I take Novak to task over.He says he understands the vaccination rules of different countries?
They why did he stuff up the draw at IW tournament earlier this year, he knew he wasnt able to play there, he was on the entry list, and the officials had to contact his team to get him to withdraw? he was trying to get a CDC pass to enter, which was refused.Then his name was withdrawn.His name was also on the entry list for Miami, after being rebuked for IW his name disappeared on the Miami entry list.