Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

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That should be interesting. He's got several questions to answer.

Why did he think that he had a medical exemption when google could have told him in less than 90 seconds that he didn't?

Why did he then travel to Australia, knowing he had no legal right to enter?

Why did he lie on his visa?

And - pre-empting his likely answers on the above questions - why is he blaming others and not taking personal responsibility for his own travel documents?

Why did he think it a good idea to break isolation when he knew it was a legal requirement after he got a positive test result?

Did it ever cross his mind to make a stand on his vaccine-choice principles and not go to Australia?

I get the feeling that if he's just making a statement, and not facing questions, he'll make things worse for himself. And if he's facing friendly questions from a Serbian interrogator, it won't be much better, but it could be unintentionally funny...
I know we will never know,I would like to know what was the reason that he received a medical exemption in the first place,he did not qualify when I looked at the medical exemption list.Also remember he was on the entry list to play the ATP cup in Sydney before the AO,then withdrew? I wonder if he was denied entry to play in Sydney because he was not vaccinated.
 

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I know we will never know,I would like to know what was the reason that he received a medical exemption in the first place,he did not qualify when I looked at the medical exemption list.Also remember he was on the entry list to play the ATP cup in Sydney before the AO,then withdrew? I wonder if he was denied entry to play in Sydney because he was not vaccinated.
The real issue here is that he knew he hadn’t a medical exemption, but he still turned up. I don’t buy the bogus narrative that he believed he had one, because he was told he had one. Nobody is that gullible, or stupid. He would have checked the exemption list, or one of his team would have. It took me 90 seconds. So he knew, and yet he traveled? Then lied. Then hired big lawyers. Which was how he thought he’d get in…
 

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The real issue here is that he knew he hadn’t a medical exemption, but he still turned up. I don’t buy the bogus narrative that he believed he had one, because he was told he had one. Nobody is that gullible, or stupid. He would have checked the exemption list, or one of his team would have. It took me 90 seconds. So he knew, and yet he traveled? Then lied. Then hired big lawyers. Which was how he thought he’d get in…
Agree,there are so many other 'grey area's,to me Tiley and the Victorian Health Minister have a lot to answer.Tiley said 'there was a lot of confusion' ? Tiley still maintains he had a medical exemption which allowed him to play at the AO.I also think Novak has bad advisers around him.Anyway we shall see what his side of the story is,shortly.
 
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Agree,there are so many other 'grey area's,to me Tiley and the Victorian Health Minister have a lot to answer.Tiley said 'there was a lot of confusion' ? Tiley still maintains he had a medical exemption which allowed him to play at the AO.I also think Novak has bad advisers around him.Anyway we shall see what his side of the story is,shortly.
I don’t know what drugs Tiley is on but there’s no medical exemption for covid recovery. He definitely has questions to answer. But even if he told Novak that, it’s not credible to believe that Novak didn’t check this himself. It’s impossible to believe. He had a flotilla of Johnny Cochranes ready to fight his corner within hours of landing in Australia, but he couldn’t get one in Serbia to check this and make sure, before he left? He didn’t do what you and I did, and check online? Takes no time at all.

It’s impossible to believe he didn’t know he wasn’t legally entitled to either Australia. His whole story is shameful and bogus…
 

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I don’t know what drugs Tiley is on but there’s no medical exemption for covid recovery. He definitely has questions to answer. But even if he told Novak that, it’s not credible to believe that Novak didn’t check this himself. It’s impossible to believe. He had a flotilla of Johnny Cochranes ready to fight his corner within hours of landing in Australia, but he couldn’t get one in Serbia to check this and make sure, before he left? He didn’t do what you and I did, and check online? Takes no time at all.

It’s impossible to believe he didn’t know he wasn’t legally entitled to either Australia. His whole story is shameful and bogus…
Tiley from the beginning wanted the AO to be all about Novak and his quest for 10 GS titles and to make history with 21GS titles,which back fired on him,I mean who knows if Novak played would he won? just because it is his best winning slam to date,I mean we all thought Rafa would win last year at RG as well.
 
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I don’t know what drugs Tiley is on but there’s no medical exemption for covid recovery. He definitely has questions to answer. But even if he told Novak that, it’s not credible to believe that Novak didn’t check this himself. It’s impossible to believe. He had a flotilla of Johnny Cochranes ready to fight his corner within hours of landing in Australia, but he couldn’t get one in Serbia to check this and make sure, before he left? He didn’t do what you and I did, and check online? Takes no time at all.

It’s impossible to believe he didn’t know he wasn’t legally entitled to either Australia. His whole story is shameful and bogus…

These top athlete superstars are so accustomed to being catered to and looked after, not just Novak. They are used to loopholes created for them, because 99 percent of the time they work. Novak played unvaccinated all of last year and he's the #1 player in the world.

IF Novak had the personal assurances of Tiley, (sorry but IMO Tiley did precisely that ) I think that might have assuaged the concerns he had. Plus the State of Victoria granted him an exemption and an independent medical panel granted him an exemption. In hindsight Was that smart to rely on that when the Feds control the borders? Of course not, but I do find that under the circumstances plausible that Novak would have felt that was enough.
 
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Quite frankly I expect Novak to say as far as he was concerned Health Minister of Victoria granted him a medical exemption.
As Craig Tiley kept on saying over and over again when he was being questioned by reporters,Novak did have a medical exemption to play at the AO.
 
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These top athlete superstars are so accustomed to being catered to and looked after, not just Novak. They are used to loopholes created for them, because 99 percent of the time they work. Novak played unvaccinated all of last year and he's the #1 player in the world.

IF Novak had the personal assurances of Tiley, (sorry but IMO Tiley did precisely that ) I think that might have assuaged the concerns he had. Plus the State of Victoria granted him an exemption and an independent medical panel granted him an exemption. In hindsight Was that smart to rely on that when the Feds control the borders? Of course not, but I do find that under the circumstances plausible that Novak would have felt that was enough.
Even if he got all these assurances, doesn’t it make sense that he’d know that none of these people are at the border waiting to usher him through? So surely he’d have checked with the best legal advice the ramifications of trying to enter without valid paperwork? I can’t believe he’d be so gullible, though I easily believe that being “accustomed to being catered to and looked after” he’d think the rules would never be applied to him, that somehow he’d buy his way in, and also I believe he’d think that this was “justice..”
 
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These top athlete superstars are so accustomed to being catered to and looked after, not just Novak. They are used to loopholes created for them, because 99 percent of the time they work. Novak played unvaccinated all of last year and he's the #1 player in the world.

IF Novak had the personal assurances of Tiley, (sorry but IMO Tiley did precisely that ) I think that might have assuaged the concerns he had. Plus the State of Victoria granted him an exemption and an independent medical panel granted him an exemption. In hindsight Was that smart to rely on that when the Feds control the borders? Of course not, but I do find that under the circumstances plausible that Novak would have felt that was enough.
Yes, there was a lot of hubris and sense of entitlement going on, and it's one of the things that got him in trouble. (Because he made it obvious, with that tweet.) I have no doubt that Tiley encouraged Novak to go for it with the paperwork and various fed-to-state confusion. Apparently it worked for that Polish woman, who eventually got sent off, but was in long enough to play an entire tournament prior to the AO. Her getting in would have happened before Novak left Belgrade, so that would have encouraged them.
Even if he got all these assurances, doesn’t it make sense that he’d know that none of these people are at the border waiting to usher him through? So surely he’d have checked with the best legal advice the ramifications of trying to enter without valid paperwork? I can’t believe he’d be so gullible, though I easily believe that being “accustomed to being catered to and looked after” he’d think the rules would never be applied to him, that somehow he’d buy his way in, and also I believe he’d think that this was “justice..”
I'm with you. I don't believe that his legal team didn't know that they might face push-back. As Margaret says, we may never know why he was initially granted a visa, but that could be just bureaucratic paperwork because he had the (dodgy) entree via state of Victoria. I think they were all flying by the seat of their pants, and they knew it. Which is why "the agent," in a "clerical error" decided not to disclose the foray to Spain to practice, in the intervening fortnight...so as not to send up yet another red flag.

One thing I object to is people saying that Novak should never been on that plane, as if he was hard-done by, and walked into a trap. I don't agree with this. He was hoping that he could get elitist privilege AND dodge the feds. They were playing fast-and-loose, including Tiley, by all accounts. I do wonder what would have happened if he hadn't made that fateful, gloating tweet, and lit a fire under the Australian citizenry and the authorities. He might have gotten into the country without the legal problems, but he was going to have been resoundingly unpopular at the tournament, that seems obvious. No one can tell me he'd have won that tournament, if he'd played it. He'd have faced a barrage of animosity, and that's not something he deals well with.
 
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I also think Novak when he gives his side of the story has to be very careful in his wording,and not play the 'victim'
When I saw him on TV last night he was with the Serbian President and thanked,all the Serbian people for their words of support during his time in Australia.also his deportation from Australia
 

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Yes, there was a lot of hubris and sense of entitlement going on, and it's one of the things that got him in trouble. (Because he made it obvious, with that tweet.) I have no doubt that Tiley encouraged Novak to go for it with the paperwork and various fed-to-state confusion. Apparently it worked for that Polish woman, who eventually got sent off, but was in long enough to play an entire tournament prior to the AO. Her getting in would have happened before Novak left Belgrade, so that would have encouraged them.

I'm with you. I don't believe that his legal team didn't know that they might face push-back. As Margaret says, we may never know why he was initially granted a visa, but that could be just bureaucratic paperwork because he had the (dodgy) entree via state of Victoria. I think they were all flying by the seat of their pants, and they knew it. Which is why "the agent," in a "clerical error" decided not to disclose the foray to Spain to practice, in the intervening fortnight...so as not to send up yet another red flag.

One thing I object to is people saying that Novak should never been on that plane, as if he was hard-done by, and walked into a trap. I don't agree with this. He was hoping that he could get elitist privilege AND dodge the feds. They were playing fast-and-loose, including Tiley, by all accounts. I do wonder what would have happened if he hadn't made that fateful, gloating tweet, and lit a fire under the Australian citizenry and the authorities. He might have gotten into the country without the legal problems, but he was going to have been resoundingly unpopular at the tournament, that seems obvious. No one can tell me he'd have won that tournament, if he'd played it. He'd have faced a barrage of animosity, and that's not something he deals well with.
I agree with that Moxie, I am sure he thought he could get elitist privilege and dodge the feds.I mean Tiley and the Health Minister from Victoria got 2 letters last November outlining medical exemptions and that having COVID within 6 months does not entitle anyone for a medical exemption,from our Federal Health Minister,that is when the lies first started to occur.,both of them disregarding the information,probably Tiley gave Novak the thumps up saying he could still play in Australia,Tiley always wanted Novak to play at the AO...whatever it took.
 
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I also think Novak when he gives his side of the story has to be very careful in his wording,and not play the 'victim'
Yeah, but what are the chances? He is known to play the victim card, and he gets loads of support for that, from the President and PM of Serbia, on down, on this one. I'll be very curious to see how much damage control his PR people have done, and what they're able to keep him to.
 

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I also think Novak when he gives his side of the story has to be very careful in his wording,and not play the 'victim'
When I saw him on TV last night he was with the Serbian President and thanked,all the Serbian people for their words of support during his time in Australia.also his deportation from Australia
Of course he thanked the Serbian people! Nobody wants to get on the wrong side of such erudite fellows!

 

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No one can tell me he'd have won that tournament, if he'd played it. He'd have faced a barrage of animosity, and that's not something he deals well with.
Oh there’s a whole bunch of Djokolytes on social media who will tell you exactly that, that he’d have won it, and they can’t be told otherwise. But you’re right, he’d have been drowned out with noise between serves, he’d have been abused during the warm up, he’d never have handled the hatred of the crowd. When Daniil mentioned his name on court after the FAA match, the verdict was clear. Don’t mention him, he’s a pariah!
 
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Oh there’s a whole bunch of Djokolytes on social media who will tell you exactly that, that he’d have won it, and they can’t be told otherwise. But you’re right, he’d have been drowned out with noise between serves, he’d have been abused during the warm up, he’d never have handled the hatred of the crowd. When Daniil mentioned his name on court after the FAA match, the verdict was clear. Don’t mention him, he’s a pariah!
I've seen some of the same, but, I'm sorry...no fan base gets to claim 7 victories in a tournament not played. Even before he got deported, he'd been in detention, deprived of practice and, of course, his personal chef. He was the focus of a "major" (pun intended) court battle. This is less than ideal preparation for a slam, and then, yes, the rather certainty of fan derision had he played. Even if he'd played and made it to the final, he would have faced Medvedev, who beat him badly at the USO.
 
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Djokovic gets some push-back for meeting with Serbian president, Vucic, seen as authoritarian. He does tend to run with a bit of a strongman crowd over there. And he says he'll tell everyone in "7-10 days" his version of the story. It's been weeks already. Why wait? Still cooking the story?

 

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I don’t know why he bothers as the time to explain himself was at the time it happened.

The reason is because he cheated and before he speaks he wants to cover all his bases. For example a few days ago the "Serbian officials" announced that the PCR test is legit. He's just making sure that legally nobody can corner him and that he has the support he needs. If he was innocent he would have spoken right away without all these delays because there would be nothing to hide.
 
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The reason is because he cheated and before he speaks he wants to cover all his bases. For example a few days ago the "Serbian officials" announced that the PCR test is legit. He's just making sure that legally nobody can corner him and that he has the support he needs. If he was innocent he would have spoken right away without all these delays because there would be nothing to hide.
That’s my point his spin on this is a hard sell period, but practically a month afterward no thanks why even bother. At this point, moving on would be the smartest thing as I’m like I don’t even care what he has to say it’s far too late.