Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

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There are rumors again that Novak Djokovic will sue the government,though during the tournament Craig Tiley was asked this question and he firmly answered No.I mean how foolish would Novak be if he attempted this? seeing he has to re-apply for a visa to come into Australia again.
 

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There are rumors again that Novak Djokovic will sue the government,though during the tournament Craig Tiley was asked this question and he firmly answered No.I mean how foolish would Novak be if he attempted this? seeing he has to re-apply for a visa to come into Australia again.
I could see him going after Craig Tiley, but he would be a damn idiot to go after the government. He would waste time and money because how is he going to win? The government was following their own law.
 

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I could see him going after Craig Tiley, but he would be a damn idiot to go after the government. He would waste time and money because how is he going to win? The government was following their own law.
Exactly the government was following their own law.Quite frankly I cannot wait for his version of what happened in Australia,I wonder if he will name names?
 

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I think he would try to argue about the due process angle. He doesn’t have anything else.
People can turn their nose up about the Aussie's policies, but I will say this, they didn't have an outbreak of cases while the tournament was going on and there were quite a few people in the stands. So say what you will about them mandating vaccines and masks, but it definitely had a positive outcome for a very public event.
 

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People can turn their nose up about the Aussie's policies, but I will say this, they didn't have an outbreak of cases while the tournament was going on and there were quite a few people in the stands. So say what you will about them mandating vaccines and masks, but it definitely had a positive outcome for a very public event.
well said.
 
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People can turn their nose up about the Aussie's policies, but I will say this, they didn't have an outbreak of cases while the tournament was going on and there were quite a few people in the stands. So say what you will about them mandating vaccines and masks, but it definitely had a positive outcome for a very public event.
Absolutely right. And it became about the tennis again, once it started, and provided plenty of good entertainment, fine and fun tennis. I will say this in defense of the Aussie crowd: this whole thing started off with the Australian government, the Victoria government and Tennis Australia coming off, along with Djokovic, not so very well, on the international stage. I suspect there was a bit of extra Aussie pride on the line, so when some of the men's players, (and it was on the men's side,) misbehaved, insulted the umpires, etc., I think the crowd took it a bit personally. Some have complained about bad behavior from the stands, but I think the first blame goes to the bratty behavior of the players, in the first place. The fans will often have favorites, but they are also usually fair, and reward good play. But if you're going to act like a bad guy, or a jerk, you deserve, or at least can expect to be, treated like one. IMO. I'm still trying to get over my astonishment at Medvedev playing the disillusioned "you killed the child in me" and "it's because I'm Russian" card, when he has set himself up for this, more than once in his career.
 

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Novak Djokovic is the first person to be knocked out of the Australian Open.​

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He only missed two shots.

It Serbs him right :yes:
 

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It looks like Novak will not play tennis in March, as he concedes he'll not be able to enter the US. This is an interesting article in Eurosport as to what the options are going forward from there, for April and May, along with a list of tournaments. Maybe Morocco, and certainly Belgrade, in April, but France (which includes Monte Carlo,) and Italy are big question marks. He should be able to go to Madrid in May, by their laws, and he was in Spain in late December.
 
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Lacoste, which maybe Novak Djokovic's biggest sponsor is said to be unhappy about the vaccine position. They said they are discussing this after the AO.
Novak's Swiss watch company sponsor Hublot said getting vaccinated is a personal choice and did not plan to drop Novak.

The world is making it seem like Novak's the only professional athlete who's refusing to be vaccinated! Come on; that's just plain stupid! :yawningface: :facepalm:
 
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The world is making it seem like Novak's the only professional athlete who's refusing to be vaccinated! Come on; that's just plain stupid! :yawningface: :facepalm:
Personally speaking I feel everyone has the right to their own opinion, regarding vaccinations.
Novak is not the only player not to be vaccianted.Though seeing Novak is the world No 1 player they probably expect him to be 'a role model' to the rest of the ATP players and get vaccinated.
 

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Personally speaking I feel everyone has the right to their own opinion, regarding vaccinations.
Novak is not the only player not to be vaccianted.Though seeing Novak is the world No 1 player they probably expect him to be 'a role model' to the rest of the ATP players and get vaccinated.

But there are plenty of players who're in the same boat! Other players were deported from Australia, but his name was the one bandied about! :yes:
 

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But there are plenty of players who're in the same boat! Other players were deported from Australia, but his name was the one bandied about! :yes:
I am not getting into that conversation again okay.Novak knew our vaccination rules here in Australia full stop.
 
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The world is making it seem like Novak's the only professional athlete who's refusing to be vaccinated! Come on; that's just plain stupid! :yawningface: :facepalm:

Private companies like Lacoste have the right to choose who they want to associate themselves with. So they can decide that they don't want someone who is unvaccinated to represent them if they believe it hurts their image.

As for me if I were the CEO of a clothing company I would not be associated with Djokovic whether he is vaccinated or unvaccinated. :bye:
 

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Private companies like Lacoste have the right to choose who they want to associate themselves with. So they can decide that they don't want someone who is unvaccinated to represent them if they believe it hurts their image.

As for me if I were the CEO of a clothing company I would not be associated with Djokovic whether he is vaccinated or unvaccinated. :bye:

Who said differently? I'm totally in the corner with people who live by credo of "Laissez Faire!" People have rights to make their own choices! If NFL owners don't want to hire a Black coach, IDK how you can force that issue! We have strict rules concerning Covid here in the States! Djokovic can't play IW and Miami! Australia refused to allow Djokovic to play! They just looked bad making it an international incident! Someone told Novak he had a loophole! He didn't fly down there without assurances from 1 of the 3 governing bodies! Someone gave him the ok! I just hope it doesn't hurt the event after such confusion! I didn't watch much of it at all; esp. the final! It was BOGUS excluding the defending champion who was ready, willing, and able to play! No one can tell me any different with Nadal shamelessly gaining an advantage to have his double CGS! :astonished-face: :face-with-tears-of-joy::face-with-hand-over-mouth::facepalm:
 

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Who said differently? I'm totally in the corner with people who live by credo of "Laissez Faire!" People have rights to make their own choices! If NFL owners don't want to hire a Black coach, IDK how you can force that issue! We have strict rules concerning Covid here in the States! Djokovic can't play IW and Miami! Australia refused to allow Djokovic to play! They just looked bad making it an international incident! Someone told Novak he had a loophole! He didn't fly down there without assurances from 1 of the 3 governing bodies! Someone gave him the ok! I just hope it doesn't hurt the event after such confusion! I didn't watch much of it at all; esp. the final! It was BOGUS excluding the defending champion who was ready, willing, and able to play! No one can tell me any different with Nadal shamelessly gaining an advantage to have his double CGS! :astonished-face: :face-with-tears-of-joy::face-with-hand-over-mouth::facepalm:

I disagree. Not hiring a black coach is racism and should not be allowed. A coach should be hired because he is qualified for the job, not because of the color of his skin. How could you even suggest that it's okay? But with vaccines it affects others as they reduce transmission that could even kill someone. It also affects hospitals as unvaccinated people have much more chance ending up with complications taking the place of other people or even making hospitals lose control! So during a pandemic governments have no choice but to make rules, it's an exceptional situation because of a very contagious and deadly new virus. If they don't make rules than everyone would do what they please and things would be out of control with medical systems all over the world collapsing one after the other.

As for having the choice or not, even before Covid some countries (for example many countries in Africa) would not allow visitors to come if they don't have specific vaccines. Other countries made some vaccines mandatory for their own populations (usually taken at a very young age). So it's not a "new" thing that vaccines are mandatory but all of a sudden now some people complain when the whole planet is trying to come together and not lose control of the pandemic. :rolleyes:

As for the Djokovic incident it's clear that Tennis Australia tried to sneak their players with the help of their Victorian Government connections giving them exemptions and it worked at the borders for a couple of players. But when Djokovic stupidly tweeted about his exemption the federal government realized what was happening and put a stop to it. The federal government had instructed Tennis Australia months prior that only vaccinated players are allowed. Many players got vaccinated for that but clearly Tennis Australia tried to sneak some players in and it ended up backfiring when Djokovic announced it because he is not bright. Also if I remember correctly Djokovic couldn't play the ATP Cup which was in another state so clearly the Victorian Government tried their tricks.

Also the whole Djokovic behaviour is fishy because the timing of his Covid infection was too convenient. Up until the 15th december he had zero plans to play the AO? And then all of a sudden just like that he conveniently gives us a PCR test that gave him an argument or chance to enter. Sorry but I don't believe it, it's too convenient and it was probably fake. But even if it isn't a fake pcr test he clearly still didn't care because he got caught as while being supposedly positive he still went out in public. He admitted only to the French interview and photoshoot but he probably also knew the day of the event with kids but just didn't admit it because it would look much worse with no mask and no social distancing. He is irresponsible either way you look at it and has zero respect for science as he'd rather believe in magical water from Energy pyramids. He deserved to be kicked out.
 
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I disagree. Not hiring a black coach is racism and should not be allowed. A coach should be hired because he is qualified for the job, not because of the color of his skin. How could you even suggest that it's okay? But with vaccines it affects others as they reduce transmission that could even kill someone. It also affects hospitals as unvaccinated people have much more chance ending up with complications taking the place of other people or even making hospitals lose control! So during pandemic governments have no choice but to make rules, it's an exceptional situation because of a very contagious and deadly new virus. If they don't make rules than everyone would do what they please and things would be out of control with medical systems all over the world collapsing one after the other.

As for having the choice or not, even before Covid some countries (for example many countries in Africa) would not allow visitors to come if they don't have specific vaccines. Other countries made some vaccines mandatory for their own populations (usually taken at a very young age). So, it's not a "new" thing that vaccines are mandatory but all of a sudden now some people complain when the whole planet is trying to come together and not lose control of the pandemic. :rolleyes:

As for the Djokovic incident it's clear that Tennis Australia tried to sneak their players with the help of their Victorian Government connections giving them exemptions and it worked at the borders for a couple of players. But when Djokovic stupidly tweeted about his exemption the federal government realized what was happening and put a stop to it. The federal government had instructed Tennis Australia months prior that only vaccinated players are allowed. Many players got vaccinated for that but clearly Tennis Australia tried to sneak some players in and it ended up backfiring when Djokovic announced it because he is not bright. If I remember correctly Djokovic couldn't play the ATP Cup which was in another state so clearly the Victorian Government tried their tricks.

Also, the whole Djokovic behavior is fishy because the timing of his Covid infection was too convenient. Up until the 15th December he had zero plans to play the AO? And then all of a sudden just like that he conveniently gives us a PCR test that gave him an argument or chance to enter. Sorry but I don't believe it, it's too convenient and it was probably fake. But even if it isn't a fake PCR test, he clearly still didn't care because he got caught as while being supposedly positive, he still went out in public. He admitted only to the French interview and photoshoot, but he probably also knew the day of the event with kids but just didn't admit it because it would look much worse with no mask and no social distancing. He is irresponsible either way you look at it and has zero respect for science as he'd rather believe in magical water from Energy pyramids. He deserved to be kicked out.

Who said it was ok? I just mused what can be done? That sham "Rooney Rule" hasn't helped after all these years shrinking from 6-7 minority HC's down to 1; 2 w/ Riviera! Owners shamelessly ignore the times, but you can't legislate morality and fairness! You can give people equal access, but if not put in charge by the powerbrokers out there, we'll continue to be a "separate" but less than "equal" nation! :rolleyes: :fearful-face::facepalm::yes:
 

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Who said it was ok? I just mused what can be done? That sham "Rooney Rule" hasn't helped after all these years shrinking from 6-7 minority HC's down to 1; 2 w/ Riviera! Owners shamelessly ignore the times, but you can't legislate morality and fairness! You can give people equal access, but if not put in charge by the powerbrokers out there, we'll continue to be a "separate" but less than "equal" nation! :rolleyes: :fearful-face::facepalm::yes:

Actually when a company or company CEO does something racist, even sometimes as simple as a racist tweet, they lose their job these days. And if not, then there are boycotts and big social pressure and the CEO decides to quit before the company is completely ruined. So yeah something is done.
 
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