Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

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It looks like the original link has been removed. I don't know if the story is true is not, but the Sun is a notorious tabloid. They have got a story up that Rublev was let into Australia WITH Covid... and he's not being tested. Not sure, if that's true either... but if it is, then it underlines the political framing of Djokovic.
Fair points, and you live there. But do you think that Djokovic was "politically framed?" That there weren't enough mistakes to go around? And if the notion really is "framing," did they lure him in only to deport him? It seems an elaborate ruse, in which no one came out smelling like a rose. Curious to know your full take.
 

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Fair points, and you live there. But do you think that Djokovic was "politically framed?" That there weren't enough mistakes to go around? And if the notion really is "framing," did they lure him in only to deport him? It seems an elaborate ruse, in which no one came out smelling like a rose. Curious to know your full take.
Yes, I do - and said it at the outset. Djokovic made his own mistakes prior to arriving, but they weren't anything to do with the official reason for his Visa being cancelled. The reason given by Hawke was that he believed Djokovic being in Australia would galvanise anti-vax groups, encourage protest and increase community transmission. The judges stated they weren't judging whether the reason had merit or wisdom, only if it was lawful or unlawful. They decided it was lawful.

To my knowledge, Djokovic has no prior history of being involved with protests, so essentially he's been deported for a thought crime.

I understand people don't agree with his views and that's fine. However, he wasn't coming into Australia to carry out a campaign, he was coming to play tennis. If you can't ply an unrelated trade because of a different medical viewpoint then we have moved into the realm of "Ministries of truth". It's a slippery slope.
 

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Yes, I do - and said it at the outset. Djokovic made his own mistakes prior to arriving, but they weren't anything to do with the official reason for his Visa being cancelled. The reason given by Hawke was that he believed Djokovic being in Australia would galvanise anti-vax groups, encourage protest and increase community transmission. The judges stated they weren't judging whether the reason had merit or wisdom, only if it was lawful or unlawful. They decided it was lawful.

To my knowledge, Djokovic has no prior history of being involved with protests, so essentially he's been deported for a thought crime.

I understand people don't agree with his views and that's fine. However, he wasn't coming into Australia to carry out a campaign, he was coming to play tennis. If you can't ply an unrelated trade because of a different medical viewpoint then we have moved into the realm of "Ministries of truth". It's a slippery slope.
However that's different than saying that was the plan all along; to "set him up" for the fall.

It's obvious both the Aussie Tennis federation and the State of Victoria had been dealing with Team Djokovic to procure him a Vaccine/exempt VISA. I have no reason not to believe that those two entities weren't dealing in good faith per THEIR Agendas. OF course the tennis federation that puts the AO wanted the #1 player in the world to be there. But a funny thing happened along the way, their "arrangement" resulted in more public and Federal government scrutiny and there was a public opinion backlash. What a shocker, politicians are vulnerable to public opinion and THEIR own agendas. Australian Tennis and the State of Victoria miscalculated reaction to their machinations and certainly they didn't plan how some of this would fly back to bite them in the butt. Again let's stop the pearl clutching. Novak's team understandably thought they had an "in" but the backlash was stronger than all the parties involved anticipated so that's when things unraveled.
 

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However that's different than saying that was the plan all along; to "set him up" for the fall.

It's obvious both the Aussie Tennis federation and the State of Victoria had been dealing with Team Djokovic to procure him a Vaccine/exempt VISA. I have no reason not to believe that those two entities weren't dealing in good faith per THEIR Agendas. OF course the tennis federation that puts the AO wanted the #1 player in the world to be there. But a funny thing happened along the way, their "arrangement" resulted in more public and Federal government scrutiny and there was a public opinion backlash. What a shocker, politicians are vulnerable to public opinion and THEIR own agendas. Australian Tennis and the State of Victoria miscalculated reaction to their machinations and certainly they didn't plan how some of this would fly back to bite them in the butt. Again let's stop the pearl clutching. Novak's team understandably thought they had an "in" but the backlash was stronger than all the parties involved anticipated so that's when things unraveled.

Sorry, that doesn't stack up.

People knew he was coming. They could have cancelled his Visa before he got on the plane.

No, they waited for him to arrive and then tried to cancel it on a technicality, and lost in court. Then they changed the reason for cancelling the Visa and he was sent back. All theatre.
 

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Sorry, that doesn't stack up.

People knew he was coming. They could have cancelled his Visa before he got on the plane.

No, they waited for him to arrive and then tried to cancel it on a technicality, and lost in court. Then they changed the reason for cancelling the Visa and he was sent back. All theatre.
Ok, but those who worked for his VISA, Team Australia and the State of Victoria (the STATE government, not the NATIONAL government,) that granted it, are you saying THEY knew they were setting him up for the fall ahead of time, those two entities specifically?
 
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Sorry, that doesn't stack up.

People knew he was coming. They could have cancelled his Visa before he got on the plane.

No, they waited for him to arrive and then tried to cancel it on a technicality, and lost in court. Then they changed the reason for cancelling the Visa and he was sent back. All theatre.
ABF is not expected to follow tennis. His visa was processed, presumably, on the grounds of his paperwork, and the exemption. Turns out, though, that a recent case of covid was not medical grounds for entering Australia. That, apparently was knowable, and the fault seems to lie in TA and Tiley campaigning so hard to get him into Oz, even though they knew the rules. Djokovic also has a responsibility to know the rules, and he has lawyers. I'm not going to say that there weren't cock-ups on both sides, but Djokovic also falsified information on his immigration papers. I know that's not why he got thrown out, but I'm a monkey's uncle if it didn't factor. The whole thing got bigger than anyone ever could have imagined. But I do not believe it was cooked up to go this way. Absolutely no could have benefitted from this scheme, and they haven't.
 

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Ok, but those who worked for his VISA, Team Australia and the State of Victoria (the STATE government, not the NATIONAL government,) that granted it, are you saying THEY knew they were setting him up for the fall ahead of time, those two entities specifically?
I would presume National Government.
 
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ABF is not expected to follow tennis. His visa was processed, presumably, on the grounds of his paperwork, and the exemption. Turns out, though, that a recent case of covid was not medical grounds for entering Australia. That, apparently was knowable, and the fault seems to lie in TA and Tiley campaigning so hard to get him into Oz, even though they knew the rules. Djokovic also has a responsibility to know the rules, and he has lawyers. I'm not going to say that there weren't cock-ups on both sides, but Djokovic also falsified information on his immigration papers. I know that's not why he got thrown out, but I'm a monkey's uncle if it didn't factor. The whole thing got bigger than anyone ever could have imagined. But I do not believe it was cooked up to go this way. Absolutely no could have benefitted from this scheme, and they haven't.
That's another story - and I understand the point. However, as you've even acknowledged - that was not the reason his Visa was cancelled.
 
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I would presume National Government.
Now THAT I would grant you is plausible. The National Government could have announced ahead of time they since they technically control the borders the Victorian State Government had no business nor right issuing that VISA (Imagine that, government beaurocracies infighting...) AND informed the Djokovic camp.


"While the Victorian government and Tennis Australia may permit a nonvaccinated player to compete in the Australian Open, it is the Commonwealth government that will enforce our requirements at the Australian border," Andrews said. "If an arriving individual is not vaccinated, they must provide acceptable proof that they cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons to be able to access the same travel arrangement as fully vaccinated travelers."

Victorian Sports Minister Jaala Pulford said Border Force officials reached out to the Victorian government before Djokovic's flight arrived asking if it would help sponsor Djokovic's visa application. She said it declined.
 

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It's times like this , i reckon the country is over-governed, more often than not, to australia's detriment. Get rid of these seven state governments that make up australia and streamline the bureaucracies.
 
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HA!! Try 50 state governments.......
Yes i know, but the USA is a HUGE country. That's the difference. We're just a population of 26 million here. You need state governments there i reckon.
 

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Reminds me of the saying “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.”
Confucius was very smart and all his sayings are as good as can ever be. And this saying is very apt, thanks for sharing! Now, having pondered a bit, I realise that by not liking Joker & by disagreeing with Joker's actions I actually wish him well. By wanting him to stop this fight, in effect I want his career to prolong. Unlike his fans, who provoke him to "digging two graves". Mind it, it's hard to dig a grave for the Aus govt but maybe he wants to follow his compatriot Gavrilo Princip (?). However it is very easy to dig a grave for himself: his career will be very likely over the moment he starts sueing them.
 

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Novak Djokovic and wife at centre of Covid 'cure' controversy -​

A number of leading scientists have pointed out some major 'red flags' with a biotech company aiming to develop a treatment for Covid-19 that Novak Djokovic and his wife own an 80 per cent stake in.

Earlier this week it emerged that Djokovic had owns a majority stake in Danish firm QuantBioRes, which is seeking to create a treatment for Covid rather than a vaccine.

It is an open secret that Djokovic is firmly against vaccinations and was deported from Australia last week because he is unvaccinated against Covid-19.

QuantBioRes is developing a peptide, which inhibits the coronavirus from infecting the human cell.

The company expects to launch clinical trials in the UK this year, according to CEO Ivan Loncarevic.
Loncarevic, who describes himself as an entrepreneur, said Djokovic's acquisition of the 80 per cent stake was made in June of 2020 but declined to say how much it was.

And while the news raised eyebrows earlier this week, the story took a big twist on Friday.

Darren Saunders, an associate professor of medicine at the University of New South Wales, took to Twitter to point out a number of problems with QuantBioRes.

“Oh dear. I’ve had a quick look at this company. Biotech’ might be a stretch,” Saunders tweeted.

"The inclusion of 'Quant' (ie quantum) in the name is a massive red flag.





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Novak Djokovic and wife Jelena at the Adria Tour charity exhibition event in 2020. (Photo by Srdjan Stevanovic/Getty Images)
A number of leading scientists have pointed out some major 'red flags' with a biotech company aiming to develop a treatment for Covid-19 that Novak Djokovic and his wife own an 80 per cent stake in.
Earlier this week it emerged that Djokovic had owns a majority stake in Danish firm QuantBioRes, which is seeking to create a treatment for Covid rather than a vaccine.
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It is an open secret that Djokovic is firmly against vaccinations and was deported from Australia last week because he is unvaccinated against Covid-19.
QuantBioRes is developing a peptide, which inhibits the coronavirus from infecting the human cell.
The company expects to launch clinical trials in the UK this year, according to CEO Ivan Loncarevic.

Loncarevic, who describes himself as an entrepreneur, said Djokovic's acquisition of the 80 per cent stake was made in June of 2020 but declined to say how much it was.

And while the news raised eyebrows earlier this week, the story took a big twist on Friday.

Darren Saunders, an associate professor of medicine at the University of New South Wales, took to Twitter to point out a number of problems with QuantBioRes.

“Oh dear. I’ve had a quick look at this company. Biotech’ might be a stretch,” Saunders tweeted.

"The inclusion of 'Quant' (ie quantum) in the name is a massive red flag.

"The second red flag is the liberal sprinkling of words like ‘resonant’ and ‘frequencies’ through the word salad on that site.

“Let’s just park the false statement that coronaviruses are retroviruses for now. So, if you haven’t figured it out yet, Novak’s ‘biotech company’ is working on homeopathy as a cure for Covid."

Dr Saunders pointed out a number of issues in the site's 'discover more' section.
"Here are a few choice quotes," he continued.

“‘During this rapid research effort, we will identify the common component of proteins responsible for initial infection for all related RNA viruses and then design a vaccine based on this component and thus create the cure’.

And Saunders isn't alone in calling out problems with the company.

Professor Peter Collignon, an infectious diseases physician at the Australian National University, told The Guardian the company have: "Given nothing in the way of data.

“People are looking out for new molecules all the time, but the website describes a way of finding a new molecule without providing any evidence of success.”

Thomas Lumley, a professor of Biostatistics at the University of Auckland, also tweeted his concerns.

“If you got to the firm’s website and click on ‘Discover More’ under ‘Our Innovative Technology’, you find a document titled ‘Rapid development of treatment for retro-viruses incl. COVID-19’," he said.

"This isn’t just phrasing, it later says ‘Coronaviruses are retroviruses’. They aren’t."


However Loncarevic hit back at claims that his company is simply achieving “homeopathy”.

“What we do has absolutely nothing to do with homeopathy,” he told The Guardian.

“The theory behind homeopathy is that you can transfer information from a chemical to another substance, such as water.

"What we do is to develop peptides with specific functionality. This is pure, classical science.”


 

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Novak apparently skiing in Montenegro this week. Surely good to get away from the news. But I have always been surprised at his unwillingness to give up a dangerous sport, like downhill skiing, when he's elite in another one. A lot do. It can even be excluded in contracts. Roger Federer, who is Swiss, FFS, gave it up for safety reasons. Not Novak. It says something about who he is, and his faith in himself. Who knows...maybe he sticks to the bunny slopes, but somehow I doubt it.
 

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From AFP News Agency,

Novak Djokovic intends to play the AO in 2023.Craig Tiley tournament chief says while 'blaming 'miscommunication' for his deportation ahead of this year's event.
 

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Craig Tiley has also confirmed that Novak Djokovic will not be suing the Government for his deportation as reported in the media