Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[Fiero425]

I actually agree with you that years from now the players records will stand as their book "legacy". By that same token, it will be interesting if he vaccinates and thus is able to play the claycourt circuit and the FO. He has an opportunity to be the only player to win all the Majors 3 times if he wins the FO this year, and IMO Novak is well aware of records/milestones he is capable of still achieving. Novak has been relatively injury free for most of his career and I've always said his physical body was custom-made to be a tennis champion (GUMBY indeed).

What happened at the AO is done. Can't go back. The rest of the year is another matter. One can debate the "fairness" of the AO decision until the cows come out, but looking ahead for the clay season and the FO, both France and Spain it seems are not going to give out exemptions for non vaccinated. I have no problems if for personal convictions or health reasons, Novak chooses not to vaccinate. At 34 there could be a narrowing window for him to build more his legacy in the tennis books, so I'm just curious as to what his decisions will be going forward.

Novak has no reason to feel like he needs redeeming! As a rookie I thought he was quite charming imitating other top players like Rafa and Sharapova! No matter what he does, it'll never be enough to satisfy the masses! People are so dead set on "hating" on the guy! The Tennis Intelligentsia truly believe tennis begins and ends with Fedal! If I were him, I'd continue to smile and ignore the detractors as always! He's so close to overtaking Fedal it's making them crazy!

 

[Moxie]

Novak has no reason to feel like he needs redeeming! As a rookie I thought he was quite charming imitating other top players like Rafa and Sharapova! No matter what he does, it'll never be enough to satisfy the masses! People are so dead set on "hating" on the guy! The Tennis Intelligentsia truly believe tennis begins and ends with Fedal! If I were him, I'd continue to smile and ignore the detractors as always! He's so close to overtaking Fedal it's making them crazy!

If this Majors race is making anyone crazy, it's Novak. He's not even pretending that he wants it badly. I'm pretty sure Roger and Rafa are fairly sanguine that Novak will pass them. Rafa has said as much. But Novak's behavior, his inclination to shoot himself in the foot IS a problem. You may feel that his reputation has taken a big hit, and one too many, but I think you are in the minority.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

I welcome the news that FO is changing their official rules and mandating vaccination. I'm sure Wimbledon & USO are or will be stronger on vaccination and of elimination of boofheads from competitive ranks.
So bye, bye, Joker. Or at least "selfish Joker" must soften up a bit and gets the jab if he does not want to retire now...

Azarenka was the first one to openly speak about the vaccination mandate by ATA & WTA:
“This could have been prevented, this could have been addressed way earlier than it was. What happened after, I don’t think there was anybody who looked good in any case. That became a bit of a circus.
“I think there should be a really hard look on this situation moving forward. I think that as soon as there is a grey area in the rules that give too much questions, situations like this happen. On certain things I think black and white approach is necessary and in my opinion, this should be the case.“
“For me, there is a social responsibility for other people who are much more vulnerable than us. I definitely look at it from that point as well.”
Good for her. Following her example, Nadal should not be shy and strengthen his position and say vaxxing be required. Others should follow. Stop Joker, stop narcissism in tennis.

 

[Jelenafan]

Novak has no reason to feel like he needs redeeming! As a rookie I thought he was quite charming imitating other top players like Rafa and Sharapova! No matter what he does, it'll never be enough to satisfy the masses! People are so dead set on "hating" on the guy! The Tennis Intelligentsia truly believe tennis begins and ends with Fedal! If I were him, I'd continue to smile and ignore the detractors as always! He's so close to overtaking Fedal it's making them crazy!

I’m not quite sure how your post follows what I stated. At this point I would think for a myriad of reasons Novak doesn’t give a rat’s ass anymore per popularity or even the goodwill of others. However I DO think he gives a rat’s ass , like I mentioned before, about his tennis legacy, ie how many majors, tournaments won, weeks #1, he accumulates in his career.

Novak sort of reminds me of Tom Brady when it comes competitive drive, Brady clearly doesn’t play like 7 SuperBowl wins is enough. Would not be shocked if Novak has a goal of 25 + Majors and wants to break even more records JUST BECAUSE. . Not for friggin popularity, not to repair his reputation, not to be likable but just to shove it to others. He thrives on it.

So that’s why I ask, since Novak does care about Majors and being the dominant top dog, will he actually cede that because it’s not worth it to him if he has to be vaccinated. There is no “right” answer , I just present it’s a fascinating scenario.

So Fiero, in your opinion, and throw out whether he’s liked or not, that’s irrelevant, do you think Novak will vaccinate in order to have a shot at more Majors this year?

 

[don_fabio]

I am pretty sure Novak already regrets his decision of not being vaccinated. It would be completely foolish of him to miss more majors just because of that. I hope he gets to senses and takes the vaccine in a next few months.

If he continues to push and avoids the jab at all cost it will most definitely ruin his career. It has already taken a huge hit as he lost no. 1 spot. Who knows when and if he is going to get there again. For sure not this season with thousands of points to defend.

 

[Fiero425]

I am pretty sure Novak already regrets his decision of not being vaccinated. It would be completely foolish of him to miss more majors just because of that. I hope he gets to senses and takes the vaccine in a next few months.

If he continues to push and avoids the jab at all cost it will most definitely ruin his career. It has already taken a huge hit as he lost no. 1 spot. Who knows when and if he is going to get there again. For sure not this season with thousands of points to defend.

You're so wrong! All of us are wrong! These objectors "to the poke" think something's more wrong with the rest who do follow like sheep! Plenty of other athletes have risked it all; fame, fortune, & popularity to say "I'm not doing it" just because everyone else has gotten a vaccine!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Hearing from the Federal Court the judges will hand down their findings later today (Thursday 20th January).,in relation to Novak Djokovic's visa being cancelled.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Djokovic has 80% stake in biotech firm developing Covid treatment

QuantBioRes is working on a treatment not a vaccine, but CEO says tennis star is ‘not anti-vax’

www.theguardian.com

Now we know why Djokovic doesn't want to get vaccinated or be associated with vaccines, it's because it would be a conflict of interest $$$.

 

[Moxie]

I am pretty sure Novak already regrets his decision of not being vaccinated. It would be completely foolish of him to miss more majors just because of that. I hope he gets to senses and takes the vaccine in a next few months.

If he continues to push and avoids the jab at all cost it will most definitely ruin his career. It has already taken a huge hit as he lost no. 1 spot. Who knows when and if he is going to get there again. For sure not this season with thousands of points to defend.

I'm not convinced that he regrets his decision (yet.) He's surrounded by people, including the President of Serbia who tell him he is the wronged party here, and it will be comforting to believe that while he licks his wounds. Going forward is a big question, though. Back in the "will he or won't he" days of December, some of us thought his ambition for the AO and etc. would override his disinclination to vaccination, but he was more averse than some of us thought. Also, he believed/was led to believe, that he could have it both ways - stay unvaccinated AND still play. Now that the test case of the AO has passed, and it seems he can't have it both ways, for the foreseeable future, I do wonder if he'll concede to career over his personal choice about the jabs. However, after the DQ at the USO, he said initially that he was going to have to search his conscience, and then, not long after, he declared that he was who he was and showing emotions on court was part of that. I have said on this forum that I felt he doubled-down on his on-court antics after that, getting rather more demonstrative than he had been. So he's stubborn. I'm not sure which way he'll go. Maybe we'll know more right before Indian Wells/Miami?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

BTW there are strong rumors that Tennis Australia paid for Novak Djokovic's legal fees in the Federal Court,where the judges in their fi nding awarded Djokovic to pay costs.This has been put to Tennis Australia,they said they would look into the matter,so far they are not denying....Craig Tiley still has not being sighted around the grounds of Melbourne Park.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

BTW there are strong rumors that Tennis Australia paid for Novak Djokovic's legal fees in the Federal Court,where the judges in their fi nding awarded Djokovic to pay costs.This has been put to Tennis Australia,they said they would look into the matter,so far they are not denying....Craig Tiley still has not being sighted around the grounds of Melbourne Park.

There is an article backing this rumor up in the Herald newspaper in Melbourne.My computer is unable to post that article here.
Both Sydney and Melbourne reporters have posted news on the suggestion that TA paid for Novak's legal fees.

 

[10isfan]

My guess is Tiley has been terminated. He could have prevented this fiasco by following the rules. His actions cost millions to the parties involved. He is loved by those lawyers, though.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

My guess is Tiley has been terminated. He could have prevented this fiasco by following the rules. His actions cost millions to the parties involved. He is loved by those lawyers, though.

No,Craig Tiley is alive but not kicking as yet

 

[don_fabio]

I'm not convinced that he regrets his decision (yet.) He's surrounded by people, including the President of Serbia who tell him he is the wronged party here, and it will be comforting to believe that while he licks his wounds. Going forward is a big question, though. Back in the "will he or won't he" days of December, some of us thought his ambition for the AO and etc. would override his disinclination to vaccination, but he was more averse than some of us thought. Also, he believed/was led to believe, that he could have it both ways - stay unvaccinated AND still play. Now that the test case of the AO has passed, and it seems he can't have it both ways, for the foreseeable future, I do wonder if he'll concede to career over his personal choice about the jabs. However, after the DQ at the USO, he said initially that he was going to have to search his conscience, and then, not long after, he declared that he was who he was and showing emotions on court was part of that. I have said on this forum that I felt he doubled-down on his on-court antics after that, getting rather more demonstrative than he had been. So he's stubborn. I'm not sure which way he'll go. Maybe we'll know more right before Indian Wells/Miami?

It will be very interesting what he decides going forward, but he knows there is only one way to avois any further problems and put all this behind and that is to get vaccinated. He is as you said extremely stubborn and his own worst enemy on and off the court I would add.

Deep down he knows he made a mistake. Now is time to make it right and continue with his career. It is definitely not worth it to fall short of slam trophies because of his stand on vaccine. If he falls short it should be on a tennis court, not like this, it doesn't feel right.

 

[Moxie]

I don't even know what to say if TA paid Novak's legal fees. That would seem odd to me.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Tennis Austraia has eventually replied to the rumors he paid Novak's legal fees...saying All untrue.

 

[don_fabio]

Does anyone think Kyrgios can trouble Medvedev. We all already see the russian in a final, but he has lost 2 times he played against Kyrgios. It was in 2019, but still there might be some nerves tomorrow in hot atmosphere. Kyrgios is the hardest unseeded opponent you can have in AO that early in the draw.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Does anyone think Kyrgios can trouble Medvedev. We all already see the russian in a final, but he has lost 2 times he played against Kyrgios. It was in 2019, but still there might be some nerves tomorrow in hot atmosphere. Kyrgios is the hardest unseeded opponent you can have in AO that early in the draw.

Hi Don! Moxie and I were just discussing that match,on the AO mens post

 

[Moxie]

It will be very interesting what he decides going forward, but he knows there is only one way to avois any further problems and put all this behind and that is to get vaccinated. He is as you said extremely stubborn and his own worst enemy on and off the court I would add.

Deep down he knows he made a mistake. Now is time to make it right and continue with his career. It is definitely not worth it to fall short of slam trophies because of his stand on vaccine. If he falls short it should be on a tennis court, not like this, it doesn't feel right.

Yours is a rational position, and I agree with it. But, "deep down," we can't know how he feels. However, we agree that if he falls short of his goals, it should be on the tennis court, and not over preferring to be a rogue in terms of what the rest of tennis has to do during this pandemic. He has stood for tennis players, so he can't just be above them by choosing to reject what is required of the rest of them. Not to say it's not his choice, but if that IS his choice, he has to accept the consequences.

 

[Vince Evert]

Novak Djokovic 'in talks' for $6 million lawsuit against Australia...​

Novak Djokovic is reportedly "in talks" to sue the Australian government for his "ill treatment" in the country.

in an explosive new twist to the saga on Thursday, The Sun is reporting that Djokovic is weighing up a $6 million lawsuit against the Australian government.

The $6 million sum reportedly includes the prize money that Djokovic could have potentially won had he been allowed to defend his Australian Open title.

he Sun quoted a 'source close to Djokovic's agent' Edoardo Artladi as saying: “It’s well known that Novak and his family feel he was poorly treated in the quarantine hotel in Melbourne.

“His mother revealed how it was full of fleas and maggots. He was kept a virtual prisoner.”

Lawyer Toma Fila said: “He was subjected to humiliating treatment. He should sue.”

Djokovic was detained in an immigration detention hotel in Melbourne for five days during his nightmare stay in the country.

Immigration Law expert Maggie Taaffe had previously told the Herald Sun that legal action could be on the cards.

“It’s possible he could certainly make a claim for compensation for being detained unlawfully because that was what the decision ultimately came to – the decision was procedurally unfair, it was unlawful,” she said.

'Poorly treated': Novak Djokovic's $6 million move against Australia

Novak Djokovic is reportedly weighing up launching a lawsuit against the Australian government. Read more here.

au.sports.yahoo.com