Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[Moxie]

Novak Djokovic 'in talks' for $6 million lawsuit against Australia...​

Novak Djokovic is reportedly "in talks" to sue the Australian government for his "ill treatment" in the country.

in an explosive new twist to the saga on Thursday, The Sun is reporting that Djokovic is weighing up a $6 million lawsuit against the Australian government.

The $6 million sum reportedly includes the prize money that Djokovic could have potentially won had he been allowed to defend his Australian Open title.

he Sun quoted a 'source close to Djokovic's agent' Edoardo Artladi as saying: “It’s well known that Novak and his family feel he was poorly treated in the quarantine hotel in Melbourne.

“His mother revealed how it was full of fleas and maggots. He was kept a virtual prisoner.”

Lawyer Toma Fila said: “He was subjected to humiliating treatment. He should sue.”

Djokovic was detained in an immigration detention hotel in Melbourne for five days during his nightmare stay in the country.

Immigration Law expert Maggie Taaffe had previously told the Herald Sun that legal action could be on the cards.

“It’s possible he could certainly make a claim for compensation for being detained unlawfully because that was what the decision ultimately came to – the decision was procedurally unfair, it was unlawful,” she said.

'Poorly treated': Novak Djokovic's $6 million move against Australia

Novak Djokovic is reportedly weighing up launching a lawsuit against the Australian government. Read more here.

au.sports.yahoo.com

It's an interesting conundrum. Presumably this law suit would be in the Australian courts. He can't argue that he would have won the AO, but he'd have a decent argument for at least SF money. And pain and suffering, and court costs, should he be able to prove that he was materially wronged.

On the other hand, he's been barred from Australia for 3 years. Everyone thinks that that ban will be eased, most likely. However, if he sues Australia, why would they lift his ban? He's upping the stakes unnecessarily, if he pursues this, IMO. Wouldn't it be better to let it go and move on, and hope to play in Australia a few more years? Surely that could be worth more than $6M, between potential Major titles, prize money, endorsements, and eventual better good will. If they're going to sue, and given the ban, which they would probably exacerbate, they should sue for $20M...for 4 lost Majors to have played in, some with real potential to have won, and loss of income due to abdication of sponsors, (which is inevitable.) $6M is chump change, if he's going to risk really not going back to Australia for the rest of his best tennis years. Ill-advised move, if you ask me. And just a lot of anger and bluster. Let it go.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Novak Djokovic 'in talks' for $6 million lawsuit against Australia...​

Novak Djokovic is reportedly "in talks" to sue the Australian government for his "ill treatment" in the country.

in an explosive new twist to the saga on Thursday, The Sun is reporting that Djokovic is weighing up a $6 million lawsuit against the Australian government.

The $6 million sum reportedly includes the prize money that Djokovic could have potentially won had he been allowed to defend his Australian Open title.

he Sun quoted a 'source close to Djokovic's agent' Edoardo Artladi as saying: “It’s well known that Novak and his family feel he was poorly treated in the quarantine hotel in Melbourne.

“His mother revealed how it was full of fleas and maggots. He was kept a virtual prisoner.”

Lawyer Toma Fila said: “He was subjected to humiliating treatment. He should sue.”

Djokovic was detained in an immigration detention hotel in Melbourne for five days during his nightmare stay in the country.

Immigration Law expert Maggie Taaffe had previously told the Herald Sun that legal action could be on the cards.

“It’s possible he could certainly make a claim for compensation for being detained unlawfully because that was what the decision ultimately came to – the decision was procedurally unfair, it was unlawful,” she said.

'Poorly treated': Novak Djokovic's $6 million move against Australia

Novak Djokovic is reportedly weighing up launching a lawsuit against the Australian government. Read more here.

au.sports.yahoo.com

 

[Moxie]

I do not root for Djokovic tennis wise, and I think he made one bad decision on top of another, starting with the bad strategical one of letting anti-vaxxers use him as a flag-bearer (even if understand he is not openly against it. But it does not matter, in today's word in you need to grab the pencil that writes history, otherwise someone else will. We all know that, no matter the level of education). I am at a fucking croosroads in this one, I hate mandates and I hate ignorance. Also hate people politically exploring big problems. So I hate all sides of this story. Back to the case in point, there is *no* value I respect more than personal freedom (anyone who ever read my posts knows that), but given that he payed the price for his *own* decisions, I am almost OK with that, even knowing that the price he payed was heavily amplified by relying on bad information from others (part of today's extremely idiotic world). Don't trust anyone or anything has been my motto the last ten years, and time and again it proves itself correct.

But, from a tennis point of view, this is utterly sad. The tournament is bigger, yes, but real tennis afficionados would lament if any great champion was out due to injury, for example, specially a tennis unrelated injury. This is similar to that, an outside factor kept the big winner out. The tournament is made of all its parts, from players to audience, venue, history and all that blahblahblah: obviously then, the greatest winner is one of the most important pieces of the artentertainmentsportsmachine a big tennis event is. No matter who do you root for, it leaves a big empty space on it. If your guy wins, it does not taste the same. No asterisk, a win is a win, but it tastes the same? Hell no. I really can not understand how people can be, tennis wise, happy about that. And, by the way, I am a Federer a fan.

Politically wise, I understand people getting happy about it. I've seen people be happy for things worst than that, so it does not shock me. My political opinion on this is basically the same I have in most high profile cases in the world lately: all parties involved are wrong. Not only wrong, but easily to demonstrate wrong. That is basically the reason I will just keep hoping for that mighty big rock to hit us soon enough.

Hey, Mrzz:

I meant to respond to this earlier, but it got a bit lost in the rushing current. So nice to see you around! And to get a dose of your exuberant "hate". (You'll get my use of the word.) There is much to lament in all of this sorry saga, and you make many good points. I hope no big rock hits us all soon, and that we endure, but meantime...

Don't be a stranger!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

It's an interesting conundrum. Presumably this law suit would be in the Australian courts. He can't argue that he would have won the AO, but he'd have a decent argument for at least SF money. And pain and suffering, and court costs, should he be able to prove that he was materially wronged.

On the other hand, he's been barred from Australia for 3 years. Everyone thinks that that ban will be eased, most likely. However, if he sues Australia, why would they lift his ban? He's upping the stakes unnecessarily, if he pursues this, IMO. Wouldn't it be better to let it go and move on, and hope to play in Australia a few more years? Surely that could be worth more than $6M, between potential Major titles, prize money, endorsements, and eventual better good will. If they're going to sue, and given the ban, which they would probably exacerbate, they should sue for $20M...for 4 lost Majors to have played in, some with real potential to have won, and loss of income due to abdication of sponsors, (which is inevitable.) $6M is chump change, if he's going to risk really not going back to Australia for the rest of his best tennis years. Ill-advised move, if you ask me. And just a lot of anger and bluster. Let it go.

It will be a 'ill advised' move, with more consequences down the road for Novak,I hope he and his legal team are aware,also his legal team advise him not to sue.
BTW the verdict from the judges is available to read.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

This is from Courtney Walsh,tennis reporter at the AO,

The Tennis Australia chief executive Craig Tiley says he will not be stepping aside.Denies they have paid for Novak Djokovic's legal fees.But claims every question regarding the process in terms of the saga has been answered.To suggest that is contestable would be an understatement.

Note.Worth noting that his interview was with Channel 9,James Bracey,which is the AO host broadcaster.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

It's an interesting conundrum. Presumably this law suit would be in the Australian courts. He can't argue that he would have won the AO, but he'd have a decent argument for at least SF money. And pain and suffering, and court costs, should he be able to prove that he was materially wronged.

On the other hand, he's been barred from Australia for 3 years. Everyone thinks that that ban will be eased, most likely. However, if he sues Australia, why would they lift his ban? He's upping the stakes unnecessarily, if he pursues this, IMO. Wouldn't it be better to let it go and move on, and hope to play in Australia a few more years? Surely that could be worth more than $6M, between potential Major titles, prize money, endorsements, and eventual better good will. If they're going to sue, and given the ban, which they would probably exacerbate, they should sue for $20M...for 4 lost Majors to have played in, some with real potential to have won, and loss of income due to abdication of sponsors, (which is inevitable.) $6M is chump change, if he's going to risk really not going back to Australia for the rest of his best tennis years. Ill-advised move, if you ask me. And just a lot of anger and bluster. Let it go.

OMG! Instead of learning from his mistake, he's trying to continue stepping into deepening shit! It's more than clear now (if this conundrum is confirmed) that 3 year ban will be enforced to the full permissible extent. And his popularity in OZ (already the lowest ever) is about to hit a new record low. this man does not know when to stop.

 

[Vince Evert]

Yes and could The Federal Australia Government counter-sue DJOKOVIC based on
his travel declaration where his agent, rather than he, incorrectly ticked a box indicating he hadn't travelled in the 14 days prior to his arrival in Australia on 6 January.
Ultimately that was his responsibility.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Djokovic could have easily avoided 90% of all the drama and worldwide attention if he had simply accepted to leave when the Federal government told him to. Sure he had already taken the plane to get there as there was some kind of misunderstanding caused by Tennis Australia & Victorian Government, but he still chose to stay and fight a losing cause.

The other players simply respected Australia's decision and left, but if he wanted to refuse to leave a foreign country when the Federal Government was telling him to then he must pay for the consequences including the whole detention stuff, media attention that unfolded, etc. He also wasn't completely innocent as his refusal to leave ended up exposing many mistakes he has done (seeing people after positive PCR test, lying on visa application, etc.). If he sues Australia it will be another mistake because maybe they have certain things on him too that they didn't want to use yet.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

OMG! Instead of learning from his mistake, he's trying to continue stepping into deepening shit! It's more than clear now (if this conundrum is confirmed) that 3 year ban will be enforced to the full permissible extent. And his popularity in OZ (already the lowest ever) is about to hit a new record low. this man does not know when to stop.

It is quite clear Chris...Novak lives in his own Bubble.,agree with your thoughts he does not know when to stop.

 

[Fiero425]

It is quite clear Chris...Novak lives in his own Bubble. Agree with your thoughts. He does not know when to stop.

All star athletes live in some kind of bubble! Fed takes private planes just like Novak I'm sure! That's why some strive to achieve!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

All star athletes live in some kind of bubble! Fed takes private planes just like Novak I'm sure! That's why some strive to achieve!

I understand that,still in this case to me Novak does live in his own bubble.

 

[Moxie]

I understand that,still in this case to me Novak does live in his own bubble.

Maybe better to say his own "echo chamber," at least of late. He only hears what he wants to, and he's surrounded by people that only tell him that. And give him poor advice, I might add. Besides the fact that many of us think that suing the Australian government would be a terrible idea, who's idea was it to put it out in the media that he was even thinking of it?? Even if he backs off of that idea, and he should, IMHO, he's not winning many friends by saying he's considering it. Revenge, as they say, is a dish best served cold, and his would be to get allowed back into Oz next year and winning the tournament. This hot-headed bluster is no more than a high-stakes version of playground antics. He should do what he said he was going to do and not say anything for a while.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Maybe better to say his own "echo chamber," at least of late. He only hears what he wants to, and he's surrounded by people that only tell him that. And give him poor advice, I might add. Besides the fact that many of us think that suing the Australian government would be a terrible idea, who's idea was it to put it out in the media that he was even thinking of it?? Even if he backs off of that idea, and he should, IMHO, he's not winning many friends by saying he's considering it. Revenge, as they say, is a dish best served cold, and his would be to get allowed back into Oz next year and winning the tournament. This hot-headed bluster is no more than a high-stakes version of playground antics. He should do what he said he was going to do and not say anything for a while.

Agree, though I hope his lawyers point out to him the ramifications if he does decide to go ahead and sue the Government

 

[Moxie]

Agree, though I hope his lawyers point out to him the ramifications if he does decide to go ahead and sue the Government

Exactly. Just when the government expressed the possibility of easing the 3 year ban, he comes out with this. Those advising him are a pack of fools and/or yes-men.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I don’t know this sounds like something media does to prolong drama. If Djokovic doesn’t move on, he stands zero chance of getting back into Australia in a reasonable time to still be competitive. Australia was Novak’s sure bet of a slam, without it well his chances to pick up elsewhere narrow.

 

[Moxie]

I don’t know this sounds like something media does to prolong drama. If Djokovic doesn’t move on, he stands zero chance of getting back into Australia in a reasonable time to still be competitive. Australia was Novak’s sure bet of a slam, without it well his chances to pick up elsewhere narrow.

The media will bite, if there's something to bite on, but unless this is a completely fabricated story, and I don't think it is, (it came from The Sun, and they named a source,) then you can't blame the media for reporting it. Maybe the Djokovic camp didn't put it out there, officially, but they may have allowed it to be leaked, as a test balloon, or to satisfy the aggrieved Serbians and Novak fans. I think all of this will settle down to a mild hum at some point. But it has gone way past the point of being forgotten. Djokovic should not piss off Australia if he wants to play there again.

 

[tented]

Maybe better to say his own "echo chamber," at least of late. He only hears what he wants to, and he's surrounded by people that only tell him that. And give him poor advice, I might add. Besides the fact that many of us think that suing the Australian government would be a terrible idea, who's idea was it to put it out in the media that he was even thinking of it?? Even if he backs off of that idea, and he should, IMHO, he's not winning many friends by saying he's considering it. Revenge, as they say, is a dish best served cold, and his would be to get allowed back into Oz next year and winning the tournament. This hot-headed bluster is no more than a high-stakes version of playground antics. He should do what he said he was going to do and not say anything for a while.

Reminds me of the saying “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.”

 

[Moxie]

Reminds me of the saying “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.”

Margaret gave me the post-of-the-week last week, and I'll give it to you for this one. This is the problem with what we are discussing right now, in a nutshell.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Margaret gave me the post-of-the-week last week, and I'll give it to you for this one. This is the problem with what we are discussing right now, in a nutshell.

I also concur with Tented's post being the post of the week!

 

[britbox]

The media will bite, if there's something to bite on, but unless this is a completely fabricated story, and I don't think it is, (it came from The Sun, and they named a source,) then you can't blame the media for reporting it. Maybe the Djokovic camp didn't put it out there, officially, but they may have allowed it to be leaked, as a test balloon, or to satisfy the aggrieved Serbians and Novak fans. I think all of this will settle down to a mild hum at some point. But it has gone way past the point of being forgotten. Djokovic should not piss off Australia if he wants to play there again.

It looks like the original link has been removed. I don't know if the story is true is not, but the Sun is a notorious tabloid. They have got a story up that Rublev was let into Australia WITH Covid... and he's not being tested. Not sure, if that's true either... but if it is, then it underlines the political framing of Djokovic.