Not just Medvedev but Zverev, Kieran.
Without Djokovic, Zverev is the favorite in the top half of the draw. Also, if he wins his 1st slam here, he is the new number 1 player in the world (Medvedev has the same scenario too…)
Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles
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Without Djokovic, Zverev is the favorite in the top half of the draw. Also, if he wins his 1st slam here, he is the new number 1 player in the world (Medvedev has the same scenario too…)
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Yeah, Zverev too. He can become #1 in the world if he wins here? I didn’t know, but that definitely increases the pressure. I don’t think he’ll handle it. If Rafa gets in close on him, he’ll take him. But maybe it’s time for zverev to show he has what it takes in the slams. A lot of interesting possibilities have opened up…
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Yup! With Djokovic being out, he loses 2000 points. Meanwhile, Zverev is only defending 360 points, so he can gain 1,640 points if he wins the title enough to overtake Djokovic.
For Medvedev, he is defending 1200 points and can only gain 800 points by winning the title. However, that 800 points is enough to overtake Djokovic at the top spot.
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This is where I fancy Rafa. He knows this pressure. Daniil and Alexander are new to this level of expectation. It's just a step up, but it's a big one. I won't be sorry to see either heft the trophy, (though I'm rather more off of Zverev, and my preference would be for Medvedev, of the two.) Time to discuss dark horses, with Novak out. More tomorrow.
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The reason why the 3 judges were unanimous in their decision to turn down Djokovic's appeal for the cancellation of his visa will be available to read in full tomorrow.
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I do not root for Djokovic tennis wise, and I think he made one bad decision on top of another, starting with the bad strategical one of letting anti-vaxxers use him as a flag-bearer (even if understand he is not openly against it. But it does not matter, in today's word in you need to grab the pencil that writes history, otherwise someone else will. We all know that, no matter the level of education). I am at a fucking croosroads in this one, I hate mandates and I hate ignorance. Also hate people politically exploring big problems. So I hate all sides of this story. Back to the case in point, there is *no* value I respect more than personal freedom (anyone who ever read my posts knows that), but given that he payed the price for his *own* decisions, I am almost OK with that, even knowing that the price he payed was heavily amplified by relying on bad information from others (part of today's extremely idiotic world). Don't trust anyone or anything has been my motto the last ten years, and time and again it proves itself correct.
But, from a tennis point of view, this is utterly sad. The tournament is bigger, yes, but real tennis afficionados would lament if any great champion was out due to injury, for example, specially a tennis unrelated injury. This is similar to that, an outside factor kept the big winner out. The tournament is made of all its parts, from players to audience, venue, history and all that blahblahblah: obviously then, the greatest winner is one of the most important pieces of the artentertainmentsportsmachine a big tennis event is. No matter who do you root for, it leaves a big empty space on it. If your guy wins, it does not taste the same. No asterisk, a win is a win, but it tastes the same? Hell no. I really can not understand how people can be, tennis wise, happy about that. And, by the way, I am a Federer a fan.
Politically wise, I understand people getting happy about it. I've seen people be happy for things worst than that, so it does not shock me. My political opinion on this is basically the same I have in most high profile cases in the world lately: all parties involved are wrong. Not only wrong, but easily to demonstrate wrong. That is basically the reason I will just keep hoping for that mighty big rock to hit us soon enough.
But, from a tennis point of view, this is utterly sad. The tournament is bigger, yes, but real tennis afficionados would lament if any great champion was out due to injury, for example, specially a tennis unrelated injury. This is similar to that, an outside factor kept the big winner out. The tournament is made of all its parts, from players to audience, venue, history and all that blahblahblah: obviously then, the greatest winner is one of the most important pieces of the artentertainmentsportsmachine a big tennis event is. No matter who do you root for, it leaves a big empty space on it. If your guy wins, it does not taste the same. No asterisk, a win is a win, but it tastes the same? Hell no. I really can not understand how people can be, tennis wise, happy about that. And, by the way, I am a Federer a fan.
Politically wise, I understand people getting happy about it. I've seen people be happy for things worst than that, so it does not shock me. My political opinion on this is basically the same I have in most high profile cases in the world lately: all parties involved are wrong. Not only wrong, but easily to demonstrate wrong. That is basically the reason I will just keep hoping for that mighty big rock to hit us soon enough.
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Either Djokovic faked the PCR test (which can be difficult for Australia to prove) because let's be honest it was the only argument he was going to be able to use to get in the AO. The timing is just too convenient. What was his plan if he didn't have a PCR test? Clearly he doesn't have a true medical problem preventing him from taking the vaccine and he was never going to get vaccinated. Too convenient as it's his only way in.
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He did catch Covid on purpose or not, and still went out and saw people putting them in danger instead of isolating himself. That makes him an even bigger fool.
That's not to mention the complete arrogance for wanting to be the only not vaccinated player in the whole AO while everyone else in his position respected the rules and didn't make a big mess trying to fight a foreign country.
ZERO RESPECT FOR DJOKOVIC NO MATTER HOW YOU TWIST IT!
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He did catch Covid on purpose or not, and still went out and saw people putting them in danger instead of isolating himself. That makes him an even bigger fool.
That's not to mention the complete arrogance for wanting to be the only not vaccinated player in the whole AO while everyone else in his position respected the rules and didn't make a big mess trying to fight a foreign country.
ZERO RESPECT FOR DJOKOVIC NO MATTER HOW YOU TWIST IT!
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Meanwhile Monica Seles was STABBED with the purpose of destroying her career and helping Graf"s, missed TONS of slams, and many people don't care and claim that Steffi with her inflated records is the GOAT ahead of Serena. Move on from Djokovic, it was his own fault as he knew the rules and that not getting vaccinated would complicate his 2022 year and beyond. Also he disrespected Covid rules when after testing positive he still went out and saw people putting them in danger instead of isolating himself. That's if you believe that the Covid pcr test is not fake because let's be frank it was too much of a convenient coincidence to have it right before the AO as it was his only chance to get in. And then he insists on being the only not vaccinated player to be part of the AO as he is above the law and more special than everyone else in his same position. MOVE ON from this fool. He's going to miss the AO and I say good riddance.
So they really are getting their legal fees back and then some. I'm sure it cost way more moolah to get 3 Fed judges to work on the weekend, then it did to get Judge Kelly to work on a Monday.
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My goodness, and the serie " The Novakantivaccine" has finished like this...
A total mess, created by australia.
1. they granted him an exemption. Tennis australia and victorian government (a hardliner state government against covid). They told him he could come.
2. They make him fly in, federal government cancels his visa, without proper due process.
3. a judge agrees his visa cancellation was mismanaged
4. Minister re-cancels his visa but amazingly, basically admits medical exemption was valid and his minor error in his visa app wasn’t a big deal. So they end up deporting him what reason? He’s an anti-vaxxer.
he was used as a political pawn, one of australia’s greatest champions. The ones here who really don’t care about covid, or his medical exemption issue or visa app issue, who just are happy that he can’t get 21 here… question whether you are a genuinly good person.
1. they granted him an exemption. Tennis australia and victorian government (a hardliner state government against covid). They told him he could come.
2. They make him fly in, federal government cancels his visa, without proper due process.
3. a judge agrees his visa cancellation was mismanaged
4. Minister re-cancels his visa but amazingly, basically admits medical exemption was valid and his minor error in his visa app wasn’t a big deal. So they end up deporting him what reason? He’s an anti-vaxxer.
he was used as a political pawn, one of australia’s greatest champions. The ones here who really don’t care about covid, or his medical exemption issue or visa app issue, who just are happy that he can’t get 21 here… question whether you are a genuinly good person.
This is lost on people who aren't from the Chi. They aren't used to hearing Hawk recite his original country rhetoric. Here's a sample:
Novak Djokovic news: Reaction from Andy Murray, Nick Kyrgios, Greg Rusedski on the ‘s***show’
Players have been having their say on the cancellation of Djokovic’s visa.
‘France’s Alize Cornet wrote: “I know too little to judge the situation. What I know is that Novak is always the first one to stand for the players. But none of us stood for him. Be strong @DjokerNole.”
Former British number one Greg Rusedski wrote on Twitter: “This whole mess with Novak could have easily been avoided.
“If the Australian Open and Victorian Government would have said no medical exemptions are allowed to participate @AustralianOpen. You have to be double vaaxed or you cannot participate. Why did this not happen?”’
‘Pospisil added: “There was a political agenda at play here with the elections coming up which couldn’t be more obvious. This is not his fault. He did not force his way into the country and did not “make his own rules”; he was ready to stay home.”
John Isner saying on Twitter: “Nole always has and always will be class. He’s an absolute legend in my book that has brought so much good to millions around the world. This isn’t right.”
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I think you've been missing a few points all along here - his character was the big question, after he admitted breaking isolation once he'd tested positive from Covid (can you really defend that?) and he admitted lying on his visa to facilitate easier entry into Australia - although he blamed a minion for that. He committed crimes. And so they found him to be of unsuitable character, and they based this on his own admissions, and on the effect it might have within their borders if they allowed him to lucratively gain from that, after their own citizens had had it so tough for the last year. I applaud him for not wanting to be vaccinated - what benefit is it to him? - but he wouldn't stand his ground on that. He still wanted to both have his cake, and eat it.
Look, I'm no fan of any strict Covid restrictions anywhere - go down to the Covid thread and you'll see that my views are similar to yours. But just today I was talking to my sister in Madrid, I'm tempted by a jaunt. She said they have to wear masks outdoors. You would be extremely unlucky to catch Covid outdoors, it's an insane virtue signalling policy, so I won't go there, because I don't want to wear a mask outdoors. So I'll look to go elsewhere. Novak arrived in a country that has strict Covid rules, but he tried to legally strongarm his way in, the success of which would set a precedent which they weren't willing to allow.
As for the political pawn stuff, do you think the 3 Federal court judges were politically motivated?
Novak Djokovic news: Reaction from Andy Murray, Nick Kyrgios, Greg Rusedski on the ‘s***show’
Players have been having their say on the cancellation of Djokovic’s visa.uk.sports.yahoo.com
‘France’s Alize Cornet wrote: “I know too little to judge the situation. What I know is that Novak is always the first one to stand for the players. But none of us stood for him. Be strong @DjokerNole.”
Former British number one Greg Rusedski wrote on Twitter: “This whole mess with Novak could have easily been avoided.
“If the Australian Open and Victorian Government would have said no medical exemptions are allowed to participate @AustralianOpen. You have to be double vaaxed or you cannot participate. Why did this not happen?”’
‘Pospisil added: “There was a political agenda at play here with the elections coming up which couldn’t be more obvious. This is not his fault. He did not force his way into the country and did not “make his own rules”; he was ready to stay home.”
John Isner saying on Twitter: “Nole always has and always will be class. He’s an absolute legend in my book that has brought so much good to millions around the world. This isn’t right.”
These are nice but as irrelevant as the statements by tennis people who blame Novak.
I know you and Moxie were worried, but the burden of proof was on Djoke's team to refute why he wasn't a public threat and should have his visa reinstated. There were many points the government could have argued, but I think they stuck w/ the one that would be hard for the judges to disagree with. After getting bested by Djoke's lawyers on a loophole the first time around, I can see why they might want to steer clear of the inconsistencies in his visa app. The lawyers might have found a way around that since he didn't actually fill out the form himself. I feel they chose the best defense as it would be hard to say he isn't a public health threat, when out of his own mouth he admitted to doing things that weren't in the best interest of public safety.
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Rich folks privilege, SMH2So they really are getting their legal fees back and then some. I'm sure it cost way more moolah to get 3 Fed judges to work on the weekend, then it did to get Judge Kelly to work on a Monday.
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Just like most individuals who exhibit narcissistic tendencies, they eventually are the architects of their own demise. The show will go own and he will be Aight. Fedal fans delight.
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