Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[TheSicilian]

hmmmm actually not getting vaxed is not doing 'wrong'. There is a reason doctors have petitioned for publication of side effects, at the risk of losing their jobs. The governments have marketed the vaccine this and that, only to be found that it isn't really all they claimed to be. Novak and many others saw it coming and decided not to join the herd, I don't see anything wrong with that.

I never said not getting vaxed is wrong. I'm talking about how he won't take the vaccine (which is fair enough, I'm not really a big fan of the vaccine due to adverse effects etc) yet feels entitled to have the same benefits of his fellow vaccinated players. If he doesn't want the vaccine fine, but he MUST ACCEPT the consequences of being non vaccinated, which he clearly doesn't and keeps playing the victim card anytime he is not allowed to enter a country where vaccination is required...

 

[Ricardo]

I never said not getting vaxed is wrong. I'm talking about how he won't take the vaccine (which is fair enough, I'm not really a big fan of the vaccine due to adverse effects etc) yet feels entitled to have the same benefits of his fellow vaccinated players. If he doesn't want the vaccine fine, but he MUST ACCEPT the consequences of being non vaccinated, which he clearly doesn't and keeps playing the victim card anytime he is not allowed to enter a country where vaccination is required...

how about look at it this way, looking past technicality, if he is not doing the wrong thing (not getting the vax) he should expect to still do his job, which is playing tennis. Don't understand the logic why you don't get the same benefit, it's illogical. Since you would remain infectious vaxed or not, despite all the effort the governments have tried to censor all the publication that tell otherwise....they pretty much do it the CCP style, silencing those professionals who dare to voice different opinions, even facts. So yeah, this silly attitude that you should lose your job if you don't vaccinate which the silly herd has gone along with, is what the government has happily cultivated. They have created this false sense of social justice (yet again), by manipulating the masses, who are generally either not bright (average IQ low), have an agenda (obviously) or job requirement (support it or get fired).

I respect Novak's stance and honesty, even if I disliked some of his antics, and his annoying delusional fans.

 

[Moxie]

how about look at it this way, looking past technicality, if he is not doing the wrong thing (not getting the vax) he should expect to still do his job, which is playing tennis. Don't understand the logic why you don't get the same benefit, it's illogical. Since you would remain infectious vaxed or not, despite all the effort the governments have tried to censor all the publication that tell otherwise....they pretty much do it the CCP style, silencing those professionals who dare to voice different opinions, even facts. So yeah, this silly attitude that you should lose your job if you don't vaccinate which the silly herd has gone along with, is what the government has happily cultivated. They have created this false sense of social justice (yet again), by manipulating the masses, who are generally either not bright (average IQ low), have an agenda (obviously) or job requirement (support it or get fired).

I respect Novak's stance and honesty, even if I disliked some of his antics, and his annoying delusional fans.

The above is your opinion as to the vaccination. This has been debated here a lot. While vaccination has been no completely "magic bullet," you can't insist as fact that it is merely manipulation by governments for nefarious reasons. (The regular flu is also a corona virus, and while the flu vaccine doesn't completely stop it, it brings down transmission by a lot and saves the lives of the very young, the very old, and the immunocompromised. There is every reason to believe that the COVID-19 vaccine has worked in the same way.) There is plenty of reason, therefore, to believe that it has brought down death rates and transmission rates. Obviously, no one will convince you, or others, if you choose not to believe that. However, when you make Djokovic a "targeted one" of governments, I think you overstate both his importance in the world, and tennis in it. Yes, Novak became a political football in Australia, but he wasn't innocent in that game, either. Since then, I don't believe any country is making their policy based on whether or not Novak Djokovic gets to play tennis there. While I don't completely agree with @TheSicilian that Novak is playing the "victim card," he does, however, keep his hopes alive that policies will change, which allows his fans to play as minions to go after it on social media.

Remember that it is other people getting vaccinated that allows Novak to play the renegade. You can pretend to reject that, but what pandemic or epidemic has not been solved by science coming up with a vaccine? And now we have a case of polio in my area, and someone is paralyzed because of it, when we had basically eradicated it in the US. And now they've found it in the waste water in NYC. You want to talk about "low IQ" people? Let's talk about people that are bringing polio back by refusing to vaccinate against it. You OK with that?

 

[TheSicilian]

The above is your opinion as to the vaccination. This has been debated here a lot. While vaccination has been no completely "magic bullet," you can't insist as fact that it is merely manipulation by governments for nefarious reasons. (The regular flu is also a corona virus, and while the flu vaccine doesn't completely stop it, it brings down transmission by a lot and saves the lives of the very young, the very old, and the immunocompromised. There is every reason to believe that the COVID-19 vaccine has worked in the same way.) There is plenty of reason, therefore, to believe that it has brought down death rates and transmission rates. Obviously, no one will convince you, or others, if you choose not to believe that. However, when you make Djokovic a "targeted one" of governments, I think you overstate both his importance in the world, and tennis in it. Yes, Novak became a political football in Australia, but he wasn't innocent in that game, either. Since then, I don't believe any country is making their policy based on whether or not Novak Djokovic gets to play tennis there. While I don't completely agree with @TheSicilian that Novak is playing the "victim card," he does, however, keep his hopes alive that policies will change, which allows his fans to play as minions to go after it on social media.

Remember that it is other people getting vaccinated that allows Novak to play the renegade. You can pretend to reject that, but what pandemic or epidemic has not been solved by science coming up with a vaccine? And now we have a case of polio in my area, and someone is paralyzed because of it, when we had basically eradicated it in the US. And now they've found it in the waste water in NYC. You want to talk about "low IQ" people? Let's talk about people that are bringing polio back by refusing to vaccinate against it. You OK with that?

He always plays the victim. Just look at the way he behaves when the crowd don't cheer for him. His fans make things worse. But so does his family & wife. He has behaved like an idiot the whole pandemic. All the bs online he is the victim of politics, it's unfair he can't play Uso etc it's beyond pathetic. At the end of the day he controls his life, take vaccine & play, don't take vaccine don't play. End of.

 

[Ricardo]

The above is your opinion as to the vaccination. This has been debated here a lot. While vaccination has been no completely "magic bullet," you can't insist as fact that it is merely manipulation by governments for nefarious reasons. (The regular flu is also a corona virus, and while the flu vaccine doesn't completely stop it, it brings down transmission by a lot and saves the lives of the very young, the very old, and the immunocompromised. There is every reason to believe that the COVID-19 vaccine has worked in the same way.) There is plenty of reason, therefore, to believe that it has brought down death rates and transmission rates. Obviously, no one will convince you, or others, if you choose not to believe that. However, when you make Djokovic a "targeted one" of governments, I think you overstate both his importance in the world, and tennis in it. Yes, Novak became a political football in Australia, but he wasn't innocent in that game, either. Since then, I don't believe any country is making their policy based on whether or not Novak Djokovic gets to play tennis there. While I don't completely agree with @TheSicilian that Novak is playing the "victim card," he does, however, keep his hopes alive that policies will change, which allows his fans to play as minions to go after it on social media.

Remember that it is other people getting vaccinated that allows Novak to play the renegade. You can pretend to reject that, but what pandemic or epidemic has not been solved by science coming up with a vaccine? And now we have a case of polio in my area, and someone is paralyzed because of it, when we had basically eradicated it in the US. And now they've found it in the waste water in NYC. You want to talk about "low IQ" people? Let's talk about people that are bringing polio back by refusing to vaccinate against it. You OK with that?

don't confuse Novak to some anti-vaxer, people who got all the other 'tried and proven' vaccinations but choose not to take the covid vax shouldn't be lumped together. your 'belief' that it reduces transmission rate is nothing but your opinion, now that Australia has had over 10 mil infected with well over 90% vax rate, indicates otherwise....at least that's all I can look at from published numbers (approved by you know whom), and there still is reason to believe the infection number is higher. What is not allowed to be published is how vaccinated people repeatedly gets re-infected, its a wide phenomena that gets silenced significantly.

Djokovic's importance is not overstated, it is understated if anything, this is where again your opinion lacks common sense. He is one of the major athlete in the world in a major sport, and he is the only 'defiant' one. Government would do anything to reign in the dumb herd, and Novak is clearly in the way....such is his importance, you are showing either ignorance or just being clueless.

your statement, which epidemic has not been solved by vaccine.....what a knee-jerk argument actually. The covid19 vaccine is the most rushed vax ever, simple as that. It is also the only vaccine that's marketed to hugely reduce infection but clearly doesn't. Its also the only vaccine that has severe side effects yet government censors publications about it. I ask you, which important vaccine gets to be used on the masses after some mere 6 months R&D? you should see why many choose not to have it.

 

[Ricardo]

He always plays the victim. Just look at the way he behaves when the crowd don't cheer for him. His fans make things worse. But so does his family & wife. He has behaved like an idiot the whole pandemic. All the bs online he is the victim of politics, it's unfair he can't play Uso etc it's beyond pathetic. At the end of the day he controls his life, take vaccine & play, don't take vaccine don't play. End of.

don't take vaccine and don't have a job either? great, another spokesperson the big pharmas/governments welcome. as if vaccine status becomes one's moral compass, and one should be 'punished' for not complying.....stupid herd, that's what's around these days.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

how about look at it this way, looking past technicality, if he is not doing the wrong thing (not getting the vax) he should expect to still do his job, which is playing tennis. Don't understand the logic why you don't get the same benefit, it's illogical. Since you would remain infectious vaxed or not, despite all the effort the governments have tried to censor all the publication that tell otherwise....they pretty much do it the CCP style, silencing those professionals who dare to voice different opinions, even facts. So yeah, this silly attitude that you should lose your job if you don't vaccinate which the silly herd has gone along with, is what the government has happily cultivated. They have created this false sense of social justice (yet again), by manipulating the masses, who are generally either not bright (average IQ low), have an agenda (obviously) or job requirement (support it or get fired).

I respect Novak's stance and honesty, even if I disliked some of his antics, and his annoying delusional fans.

Why should he be allowed to enter a country in order to play a tennis match when some people who are unvaccinated can't even enter a country to visit their own families whom they haven't seen for a couple of years?

 

[the AntiPusher]

Novax is not accepting the consequences of his decisions though. Look at his social media post the other week. He is preparing as if he will be allowed to play USO while waiting to see if there is any room to travel. Fingers crossed. That is not the words of someone who accepts HIS decision to not get the vaccine....

He stirs his fans up with bs like that on social media, some of his fans really are too obsessed & defensive. There lives are just eat sleep dream Novax 24/7. Unable to criticise anything he does wrong. These fans are like puppets he is controlling them. They think constantly sucking up to him on social media he will one day like one of these posts & follow them etc. But the reality is he couldn't give a £&$# about anyone or his fans. Look at how he happily spread Covid to his fans, friends and even family disgraceful behaviour while infected with Covid both times... Some of the things his fans write on twitter is just ridiculous it's almost hard to tell if some are legit fan accounts or parody trolls. Unfortunately the more you read the more you see they are legit fan accounts.

I will end the post on a negative note, unfortunately almost 6.5 million people have died from Covid worldwide. Yet a healthy 35 year old, 21 time grand slam winning multi millionaire is being made to look like a victim.... It's pathetic, him & some of his fans should be ashamed & need to get a reality check he is anything but a victim!!

PREACH my southern Italian brother

 

[TheSicilian]

don't take vaccine and don't have a job either? great, another spokesperson the big pharmas/governments welcome. as if vaccine status becomes one's moral compass, and one should be 'punished' for not complying.....stupid herd, that's what's around these days.

I don't make the rules Novak is not a citizen of the Usa why should he get special treatment? Novax is not losing his job he is missing a couple of tennis tournaments. I'm not saying for everyone no vaccine = no job. I'm taking about Djokovic situation get the vaccine & play or don't get the vaccine don't play. He needs to stop acting like an entitled spoilt brat. If anything he should have been punished for breaking the rules for not isolating while Covid positive. Also what happens if one of the kids at the awards caught Covid from Novax & passed it on to a vulnerable relative over the holidays? He is always the victim though...

Believe me the pharma/government would hate my views. I hate 95% of medication & I'm very pro opioid & not the type of opioid idiots use to get high with.

 

[the AntiPusher]

#23 the most important thing this Fall. Novak has made his stand, drawn his line in the preverbal sand early last year. Bottom line Novak has to most likely wait until another 300 days (RG 23) before he can try for his #22..NufF said

 

[Ricardo]

I don't make the rules Novak is not a citizen of the Usa why should he get special treatment? Novax is not losing his job he is missing a couple of tennis tournaments. I'm not saying for everyone no vaccine = no job. I'm taking about Djokovic situation get the vaccine & play or don't get the vaccine don't play. He needs to stop acting like an entitled spoilt brat. If anything he should have been punished for breaking the rules for not isolating while Covid positive. Also what happens if one of the kids at the awards caught Covid from Novax & passed it on to a vulnerable relative over the holidays? He is always the victim though...

Believe me the pharma/government would hate my views. I hate 95% of medication & I'm very pro opioid & not the type of opioid idiots use to get high with.

He is just as infectious even if he got vaccinated. Now if you take a good look at it, Americans can travel pretty much everywhere now whether or not they are vaccinated, obviously that includes going back to America. It just takes someone calling out that the rules are wrong….

 

[TheSicilian]

He is just as infectious even if he got vaccinated. Now if you take a good look at it, Americans can travel pretty much everywhere now whether or not they are vaccinated, obviously that includes going back to America. It just takes someone calling out that the rules are wrong….

The rules are wrong is your opinion. Everyone has a different opinion, so who is right or wrong? Usa are right as it's their country & they can choose the rules. If you personally don't like the rules it doesn't mean they are wrong just you disagree with them

 

[Front242]

how about look at it this way, looking past technicality, if he is not doing the wrong thing (not getting the vax) he should expect to still do his job, which is playing tennis. Don't understand the logic why you don't get the same benefit, it's illogical. Since you would remain infectious vaxed or not, despite all the effort the governments have tried to censor all the publication that tell otherwise....they pretty much do it the CCP style, silencing those professionals who dare to voice different opinions, even facts. So yeah, this silly attitude that you should lose your job if you don't vaccinate which the silly herd has gone along with, is what the government has happily cultivated. They have created this false sense of social justice (yet again), by manipulating the masses, who are generally either not bright (average IQ low), have an agenda (obviously) or job requirement (support it or get fired).

I respect Novak's stance and honesty, even if I disliked some of his antics, and his annoying delusional fans.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Now, let's see if Djokovic will withdraw his name before the USO draw ceremony.

I dont know the actual time of the draw I will have to check, last time in Montreal he withdrew in the morning, the draw was in the afternoon lol!. At the moment draw is on Thursday August 25th time to be advised.

I am still reading the CDC is still reviewing the mandatory vaccination requirement to enter the USO, 10 days after guidance for community settings were relaxed, could Novak get a CDC pass into the US, he try to get one for IW and Miami earlier in the year and was knocked back, though at that the rules for being non vaccinated remained, no relaxation of the rules at all for anyone.

 

[rafanoy1992]

I dont know the actual time of the draw I will have to check, last time in Montreal he withdrew in the morning, the draw was in the afternoon lol!. At the moment draw is on Thursday August 25th time to be advised.

I am still reading the CDC is still reviewing the mandatory vaccination requirement to enter the USO, 10 days after guidance for community settings were relaxed, could Novak get a CDC pass into the US, he try to get one for IW and Miami earlier in the year and was knocked back, though at that the rules for being non vaccinated remained, no relaxation of the rules at all for anyone.

I doubt the CDC will change its mandatory vaccination requirement for non-immigrant, non-vaccination people this soon. If anything, it will be around February 2023 if they change anything.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I doubt the CDC will change its mandatory vaccination requirement for non-immigrant, non-vaccination people this soon. If anything, it will be around February 2023 if they change anything.

Thanks for the information, there are soo many different views around at present, a lot of these tennis journalists don't live in the USA to start with.

 

[kskate2]

I doubt the CDC will change its mandatory vaccination requirement for non-immigrant, non-vaccination people this soon. If anything, it will be around February 2023 if they change anything.

I agree. Although I don't see it being quite that long. I'm thinking before the end of the year.

 

[Kieran]

I think Djokovic would be mad to withdraw now. The US might be unlikely to change its policy but he can only hope. If I was Djoker, I'd wait until the very last minute to withdraw, and that means not this weekend, but next weekend when the order of play is released...

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I don’t think it is going to change though. Covid and Monkey Pox cases are on the rise here, so I doubt they are changing criteria for entering the country anytime soon.

 

[Moxie]

I think Djokovic would be mad to withdraw now. The US might be unlikely to change its policy but he can only hope. If I was Djoker, I'd wait until the very last minute to withdraw, and that means not this weekend, but next weekend when the order of play is released...

This has been happening to me all summer, but your dates are off by a week! There aren't two weekends left. The draw ceremony is in less than 2 days, and first day of main draw tennis is in 6 days. There's no point in waiting until the weekend and the schedule, because if the policy doesn't change by Friday, it won't change over the weekend. Plus, he'd still have to get here, and he could be on the schedule for Monday.

That said, if he doesn't withdraw by 12noon (I think) ET on Thursday, then the draw will be made with him in it. When Murray withdrew after the draw was made in 2017, they put Cilic in his slot, and I believe the LL got Cilic's slot. But some people won't be happy with him messing up the draw again.