Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[MargaretMcAleer]

He is trying until the last minute, I would love to know what excuses he is doing what I don’t think it’s working and meanwhile there are other players waiting for his withdrawal

Novak knows that he isnt allowed to play the USO this year, I mean even his own website has that GS missing, still he has not officially withdrawn, he is selfish and self serving, I would say that about any other player that is doing what Novak is doing by the way. Even his 'Delusional Fans are telling him not to withdraw?.I have to go the my dentist as I have a bad toothache which has not put me in a good mood at all. Later Carol!

 

[Kieran]

Let's NOT ask @Kieran, because he doesn't even know what day it is in Ireland.

It’s time for coffee and scones!

 

[Kieran]

Like @TheSicilian, I don't frequent Twitter much, but I went on today and there is a lot of debating whether Djokovic should wait as long as he can to withdraw, which is @Kieran's position. I started writing this, and saw he had posted on the ATP News thread, but I'm bring it back over here, since it does have its own thread, and it looks like this will drag out a few days. I suppose he may as well wait until the last minute. There's probably even a private plane on stand-by. I doubt he will completely ruin the draw if he has to pull out. It's not like he's #1 or #2 seed.

Anyway, I was about to post that I saw on twitter that someone was all up in arms that tennis wasn't supporting one of its greatest players. Again, to point out, that people don't seem to know the difference between the position of tennis on vaccination, and the position of countries on vaccination and immigration. Tennis Australia did not prevent Novak Djokovic from playing. Indian Wells did not prohibit Novak from playing. The Rogers Cup in Canada did not deny him entry, nor did Cincinnati, and neither is the US Open preventing him from playing. The ATP has not sanction unvaccinated players, nor has the ITF. Individual countries make their own policies on Covid vaccination and entry into their country. Novak knows this. He can choose to get vaccinated, and follow their rules, or he can accept that he will not be able to play tennis in their country. He plays lip-service to accepting the consequences, but he's happy on twitter to encourage those who advocate on his behalf.

Well, the clue for Twitter is in the first 4 letters. I’ve never been on it and never will be. I don’t even know how to navigate my way around the threads, but it doesn’t surprise me that the Twits think the tennis authorities are cruel and all sorts of other things for not letting Novak in, or not telling the government what to do. A mob is a crowd, while also being an idiot (singular), and trying to reason with them is like trying to catch water in a sieve..

 

[Kieran]

He is trying until the last minute, I would love to know what excuses he is doing what I don’t think it’s working and meanwhile there are other players waiting for his withdrawal

That’s none of his business though, what other players are doing. And I see that @MargaretMcAleer agrees with you, and to an extent I do too, but I also agree with Novak. He’s waiting for the 11th hour reprieve, even though a change in the rules might not take immediate effect. But he’ll have a plane flying around over New York waiting to land in case it does, and he has a right to give himself as much as chances as possible to compete - if the unlikely event happens and they change the law…

 

[Kieran]

The thing is He Does Not Accept the Consequences okay? he has been on Twitter showing himself practicing on a US Hard Court? which whips up his Delusional Fans into more lunacy!!!!!
If he did he would have withdrawn officially from the USO by now? Stop Giving Him a Free Pass, he did this before and stuffed up the draw at IW, the officials had to get in touch with him and his team to withdraw,

He’s practicing in case they change the law. He’s been practicing for several weeks now, and as we know, in politics a single day can be a long time. I’m sure he’s accepted that the law is against him right now but he knows - as we all do - that this law will change. He just hopes it’s sooner rather than later. He’s right to do this. And if he’s being selfish, he’s right to be selfish…

 

[Ricardo]

The rules are wrong is your opinion. Everyone has a different opinion, so who is right or wrong? Usa are right as it's their country & they can choose the rules. If you personally don't like the rules it doesn't mean they are wrong just you disagree with them

The USA is known for telling other nations that their rules are wrong.....so they conveniently forget it's not their country. It is double standard as a fact, imo double standard is wrong.....and you are a good example of double standard.

 

[Ricardo]

Surely the vax herd has something to say....they have to, so they can sleep better.

 

[britbox]

Surely the vax herd has something to say....they have to, so they can sleep better.

I believe the old Chinese saying was along the lines of "it's much easier to fool people, than for them to accept they've been fooled". People will keep doubling down and get 5,6,7.8..9 + 10x jabs... the ego is a dangerous thing.

 

[tented]

Why is Novak even on the list? The USTA knows that unless things change, he can’t participate, so why even put his name on the list? If there’s to be a last-minute change, it should be to add his name, not take it off.

 

[Kieran]

Why is Novak even on the list? The USTA knows that unless things change, he can’t participate, so why even put his name on the list? If there’s to be a last-minute change, it should be to add his name, not take it off.

Because he entered, and I imagine that he's eligible to enter. I'm not aware of any rules that prohibit him entering under these conditions but I could be wrong....

 

[TheSicilian]

The USA is known for telling other nations that their rules are wrong.....so they conveniently forget it's not their country. It is double standard as a fact, imo double standard is wrong.....and you are a good example of double standard.

I agree double standards are wrong. But you are wrong for the 2nd time about me... Last week I was a herd & now I'm double standards

Lets talk double standards. Djokovic won't get vaccinated therefore he is currently not allowed to play in certain countries. Health before Trophies says Mr Novax the inspirational, freedom fighting man of principles. I accept I cannot play in the USA he says.

But he DOES NOT accept he cannot play the USA because he has spend the summer posting on social media how he is preparing as if he is going to play. Encouraging his herd of sheep to spam social media with how "unfair" it is & #letnovaxplay. He has said he is ready to play & waiting for the phone to ring with good news. He even set up petitions & had fans write to Biden to try & put pressure on the USA to change the rules. He is getting John Mc to whine to the media every week how "unfair" this all is etc etc.

And in your opinion double standards are wrong.... You can't have it both ways....

 

[TheSicilian]

Why is Novak even on the list? The USTA knows that unless things change, he can’t participate, so why even put his name on the list? If there’s to be a last-minute change, it should be to add his name, not take it off.

According to Novax wife entry is all automatic done by computer.

 

[tented]

Because he entered, and I imagine that he's eligible to enter. I'm not aware of any rules that prohibit him entering under these conditions but I could be wrong....

I would say entering a tournament in a country from which you’re prohibited is reason enough not to allow the entry.

 

[tented]

According to Novax wife entry is all automatic done by computer.

Yes, there’s direct acceptance based on rankings, etc., but in this case, I see no reason why someone doesn’t go in and delete his name (as they would do if someone were to withdraw), then put it back if he’s able to play.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Djokovic = Drama

 

[tented]

Let’s put it this way: if he doesn’t withdraw before noon tomorrow, when the draws are picked, he’ll piss off the players, the organizers, and all fans but his own. If he screws up the draw in this selfish manner, he’ll be even less popular than he already is.

 

[Kieran]

I would say entering a tournament in a country from which you’re prohibited is reason enough not to allow the entry.

No he had to enter, nobody can say when the entry rules will change, though we know they will change. If he’s not entered then he definitely can’t compete. It makes it easier too for the tournament - I don’t think that they could prohibit his entry to the tournament given that the rule to enter the country will inevitably change, and possibly to his benefit..

 

[Moxie]

Let’s put it this way: if he doesn’t withdraw before noon tomorrow, when the draws are picked, he’ll piss off the players, the organizers, and all fans but his own. If he screws up the draw in this selfish manner, he’ll be even less popular than he already is.

I agree with Kieran, above, that it makes it easier on the tournament to just let US law take care of the problem. If they leave his name off the entry list, they can be perceived as "excluding him," rather than it being the US government that is. Better for them to steer clear. However, unlike, say, IW, wasn't it? where he didn't pull his name out, and the draw was made without him? The tournament was asking him if he was coming and waiting for him to say no. What prevents the USO from saying: if you can't say definitively that you are IN by when we make the draw, then you are OUT? They know why he mostly likely won't be able to play...when do they get to stop pretending that he might? I'd say when the draw is made.

 

[TheSicilian]

Let’s put it this way: if he doesn’t withdraw before noon tomorrow, when the draws are picked, he’ll piss off the players, the organizers, and all fans but his own. If he screws up the draw in this selfish manner, he’ll be even less popular than he already is.

He won't withdraw he is extremely selfish. If there was any justice for his selfish behaviour his seed # will be scheduled to face Nadal in the QF/SF & because he gets replaced by a lucky loser? Nadal will potentially get an easy QF/SF opponent, obviously that won't happen but if it did it might make him think twice in the future. Remember I.W his name was in the draw he was replaced & the draw was quite lopsided. Also remember when Murray withdrew after the USO draw people still go on about that.

 

[tented]

No he had to enter, nobody can say when the entry rules will change, though we know they will change. If he’s not entered then he definitely can’t compete. It makes it easier too for the tournament - I don’t think that they could prohibit his entry to the tournament given that the rule to enter the country will inevitably change, and possibly to his benefit..

The rule right now is he cannot enter. That’s clear. If he can’t enter, then he can’t play the USO. The USTA knows this, so they should remove his name. That’s not a political move; it’s practical. It’s stupid to keep the name of someone who can’t even enter the country on the entry list.