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No one can know, especially if the wedding is scheduled for November.

Rafa waited so long that I figured he will get married only after he retires. Now that he announced, I was wondering whether there was any need for expediting the process and so asked.

p.s. It is DF who believes Ralph's game will come down once he has kids. I am not even sure that it will happen. However, there may be adjustments to his schedule and cutting down many tourneys, due to kids.
They got engaged last May. That would be some 18 months to wedding, so it wasn't because she's pregnant. It's not DF's ideas but Rafa's own words that says he doesn't want to be away when he has kids. Maybe you just haven't been paying attention.
 

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They got engaged last May. That would be some 18 months to wedding, so it wasn't because she's pregnant. It's not DF's ideas but Rafa's own words that says he doesn't want to be away when he has kids. Maybe you just haven't been paying attention.

I know Rafa's statement about wanting to be at home when kids are there. But, many (probably including DF), think (IMO, erroneously) that if one gets married or have kids, their game will come down.
 

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I know Rafa's statement about wanting to be at home when kids are there. But, many (probably including DF), think (IMO, erroneously) that if one gets married or have kids, their game will come down.
It's a ridiculous notion that any male player has to change basically anything about his life because he gets married, or has kids. This is why mostly everyone has sneered at Wawrinka. The pregnancy doesn't affect them physically, (unlike female players, like Serena, Vika, Kim, etc.) They have wives to look after the kids, and the money to employ nannies and nurses. For sure kids shift one's focus. Darth's complaint is motivation, and I'm not sure he's right about that, vis-a-vis Roger. Roger's problem is that he's 37.
 

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No one can know, especially if the wedding is scheduled for November.

Rafa waited so long that I figured he will get married only after he retires. Now that he announced, I was wondering whether there was any need for expediting the process and so asked.

p.s. It is DF who believes Ralph's game will come down once he has kids. I am not even sure that it will happen. However, there may be adjustments to his schedule and cutting down many tourneys, due to kids.
The wedding is scheduled for October and in his town. And Mary is 30 years old already so I think that maybe they don't want to wait too long to be parents but still they could wait a couple of years perfectly well
 

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It's a ridiculous notion that any male player has to change basically anything about his life because he gets married, or has kids. This is why mostly everyone has sneered at Wawrinka. The pregnancy doesn't affect them physically, (unlike female players, like Serena, Vika, Kim, etc.) They have wives to look after the kids, and the money to employ nannies and nurses. For sure kids shift one's focus. Darth's complaint is motivation, and I'm not sure he's right about that, vis-a-vis Roger. Roger's problem is that he's 37.

Relationships and kids are almost definitely going to have an impact on a professional athlete. Yes, even men.

You can't deny Stan's results since he ditched his family. Maybe it was a bigger impact than you're saying. Agassi sucked after getting married to Shields. Marriage and things like that have an impact on mentality, energy towards sport, etc. Clearly not everyone can pull it off.
 

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It's a ridiculous notion that any male player has to change basically anything about his life because he gets married, or has kids. This is why mostly everyone has sneered at Wawrinka. The pregnancy doesn't affect them physically, (unlike female players, like Serena, Vika, Kim, etc.) They have wives to look after the kids, and the money to employ nannies and nurses. For sure kids shift one's focus. Darth's complaint is motivation, and I'm not sure he's right about that, vis-a-vis Roger. Roger's problem is that he's 37.
I agree that Roger's issue is that he's 37. Nothing to do with family. But in general even men's priorities and motivations can change when children come into the picture. Even relationships can be beneficial or hurtful. That's just life. It's certainly not the same type of physical situation that can affect women after child birth, and I don't think anyone is saying that are they?
 
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^^For the sake of equality men should just be obliged not to practice and even to have some small medical procedure to hamper them for a short while when they become parents. In fact, sportsmen in Scandinavia already do that. Unfortunately some football player was a victim of his own lack of education and cut off his one of his toes in the hope that it would grow back.
 
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Relationships and kids are almost definitely going to have an impact on a professional athlete. Yes, even men.

You can't deny Stan's results since he ditched his family. Maybe it was a bigger impact than you're saying. Agassi sucked after getting married to Shields. Marriage and things like that have an impact on mentality, energy towards sport, etc. Clearly not everyone can pull it off.
Stan is a terrible example. Stan wasn't much before he had a wife and kid, either. And he didn't ditch his wife and baby to "focus on tennis." It was to focus on Donna Vecic, we later learned. Agassi/Shields is an even worse example. Two-celebrity relationship, oh, and he had a meth addiction which broke up their marriage. (This from her book.) I bet that didn't help his tennis.

I believe I have said that priorities change with kids, of course they do. I don't think simply getting married 14 years into a relationship changes anything, though. I don't think everyone can pull off schlepping 4 kids around the globe as well as the Federers have, but I don't think one or two small ones has to affect a rich athlete's life a lot. A not-so-rich one more. Priorities, yes, though, and so perhaps motivation for tennis, as well. Or not.
 

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Stan is a terrible example. Stan wasn't much before he had a wife and kid, either. And he didn't ditch his wife and baby to "focus on tennis." It was to focus on Donna Vecic, we later learned. Agassi/Shields is an even worse example. Two-celebrity relationship, oh, and he had a meth addiction which broke up their marriage. (This from her book.) I bet that didn't help his tennis.

I believe I have said that priorities change with kids, of course they do. I don't think simply getting married 14 years into a relationship changes anything, though. I don't think everyone can pull off schlepping 4 kids around the globe as well as the Federers have, but I don't think one or two small ones has to affect a rich athlete's life a lot. A not-so-rich one more. Priorities, yes, though, and so perhaps motivation for tennis, as well. Or not.

How are those terrible examples? Stan got married back in 2009 when he was 24 and their baby was born just 2 months after, and so we know how long they were dating beforehand? Agassi was obviously great before and after Brook Shields so it's reasonable to wonder if that relationship was part of what caused such a huge fall.

I do agree with you that when these guys are in such long-term relationships, getting married isn't some huge change. For Roger it's not like getting married to Mirka in 09 was going to change his tennis. Same with Novak and now Rafa. But when you throw in kids that's totally different. They are there, they are loud, distracting, etc. It can affect the physical and mental preparation, and maybe the athletes lose some of the killer mentality as their own glory no longer is everything in life.
 

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How are those terrible examples? Stan got married back in 2009 when he was 24 and their baby was born just 2 months after, and so we know how long they were dating beforehand? Agassi was obviously great before and after Brook Shields so it's reasonable to wonder if that relationship was part of what caused such a huge fall.

I do agree with you that when these guys are in such long-term relationships, getting married isn't some huge change. For Roger it's not like getting married to Mirka in 09 was going to change his tennis. Same with Novak and now Rafa. But when you throw in kids that's totally different. They are there, they are loud, distracting, etc. It can affect the physical and mental preparation, and maybe the athletes lose some of the killer mentality as their own glory no longer is everything in life.
I don't think we need to go too far down this rabbit hole, just because Rafa decided to 'put a ring on it,' but I do think Agassi/Shields is not really comparable to anyone in tennis I can think of. Two high-visibility celeb careers and a crystal meth habit. Perhaps the pressure of one contributed to the other, but again, hard to compare them to the situations we're talking about in the now. Also, Andre did a much better job of being married and playing while he had kids the second time around, so it was clearly a much more grounded situation for him.

Kids are loud and distracting, but Roger and Mirka travel with a small army, by everyone's account. And Roger sleeps separately when he's playing. He's said that. He can afford to have an organized, non-distracting way to have his kids with him. Novak and Rafa have his example as to how it can be done. And I doubt they're going for the 4 kids option any time soon. It can be a lot easier, when you can afford to make it so. What can't be accounted for, and I agree with you on this, is the shift in focus that comes with kids. Maybe training and traveling become less appealing. On the other hand, there is the motivation to stay in long enough for your kids to remember seeing you play, so it can go either/both ways.
 

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I agree that Roger's issue is that he's 37. Nothing to do with family. But in general even men's priorities and motivations can change when children come into the picture. Even relationships can be beneficial or hurtful. That's just life. It's certainly not the same type of physical situation that can affect women after child birth, and I don't think anyone is saying that are they?
No, no one is saying that. Just saying that elite men who can afford to pay for the help, and they can manage to absorb kids into the equation without missing much of a beat. However life distracts a player is another question. Roger's boys were born in May 2014, and you can look at his activity...he didn't really miss a tournament. By which I don't mean much of anything. GSM started this line of conversation by wondering if Rafa's fiancee might be pregnant soon. Unanswerable question.
 

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^^For the sake of equality men should just be obliged not to practice and even to have some small medical procedure to hamper them for a short while when they become parents. In fact, sportsmen in Scandinavia already do that. Unfortunately some football player was a victim of his own lack of education and cut off his one of his toes in the hope that it would grow back.

My wife claims that men should carry 50 pound weights for 6 months and get locked in a roller coaster ride for a couple of hours a day to even things out.
 
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Rafa has entered next week's Aspall Tennis Classic in Hurlingham,before Wimbledon.
Rafa will play in two exhibition matches next Wednesday and Friday.

Wednesday 2pm Nadal vs Cilic

Friday 2pm Nadal vs Pouille.
 

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Rafa has entered next week's Aspall Tennis Classic in Hurlingham,before Wimbledon.
Rafa will play in two exhibition matches next Wednesday and Friday.

Wednesday 2pm Nadal vs Cilic

Friday 2pm Nadal vs Pouille.

Maybe the ATP will later retroactively have them count as single matches. :)
 

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To me Rafa is the GOAT because unlike Federer and Djokovic he has dedicated his whole life to Tennis. The other two started families, kids, restaurants and whatnot while Rafa actually put on hold this family plans to focus on Tennis and even started a tennis academy. Rafa is tennis. He’s already the GOAT but I hope he’s the one who ends up with the slam record because he deserves it the most.
 

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I bet it is. Makes sense for him...as he loves the sea. He really hasn't spent much of his money on material things. One other thing was his Aston Martin, which he bought after he'd won his 5th Major and first Wimbledon.
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