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kskate2 said:
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This has been non-mandatory for a while and so that cannot be used as the reason. I don't think the field was this bad in prior years (off the top of my head and without checking the facts).

So why don't you check and get back to us instead of assuming.

I actually did for last year alone (after posting my previous message). The ranking of last seeded player last year was 22. This year it is 26. So, there is a drop off. More later.
 

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Current Monte Carlo predictions, updated every hour:
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Novak Djokovic 24.7%
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Some pretty intensive stats behind that... Will follow with interest.
 

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Results from the Monte Carlo Masters Men's Singles Round 1 matches on Monday

9-Tomas Berdych (Czech Republic) beat Andrey Kuznetsov (Russia) 4-6 6-3 6-4
15-Albert Ramos (Spain) beat Renzo Olivo (Argentina) 6-2 6-3
13-Pablo Carreno (Spain) beat Fabio Fognini (Italy) 7-6(0) 6-7(4) 6-3
Adrian Mannarino (France) beat Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (Spain) 1-6 6-3 6-4
Kyle Edmund (Britain) beat Daniel Evans (Britain) 7-5 6-1
Nicolas Almagro (Spain) beat Martin Klizan (Slovakia) 4-6 6-3 6-1
14-Alexander Zverev (Germany) beat Andreas Seppi (Italy) 6-1 6-2
12-Roberto Bautista (Spain) beat Nikoloz Basilashvili (Georgia) 1-6 6-3 7-5
Diego Schwartzman (Argentina) beat Bernard Tomic (Australia) 6-1 7-6(3)
16-Pablo Cuevas (Uruguay) beat Viktor Troicki (Serbia) 6-3 6-0

Another dismal tournament for Bernard Tomic. I guess Nick Kyrgios's recent form hasn't been particularly inspiring for his fellow Aussie.
 

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I'm sure there's a formula, but Murray admits that his elbow is not all there yet. He's had better clay results in the last couple of years, admittedly, but, given that Andy and Novak are coming off of injury lay-offs, and Rafa is having the 2nd best year after the miraculously resurrected Federer, how does Rafa come in third, at a tournament he's won 9 times? (Not to mention that Murray never has won it.) Curious as to the rubric that gets you to those numbers, friend.
 

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Carol35 said:
What a brilliant point by Bautista, I hope he is feeling better after his stomach problems since IW and also in Miami, then he could do a good tournament

https://twitter.com/TennisTV/status/853931809402478592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.puntodebreak.com%2F2017%2F04%2F17%2Fasi-gano-roberto-bautista-epico-partido-montecarlo

How long has he had a sore tummy? 1 month? Poor guy. Doesn't seem to affect his game even 0.0001% mind you.
 

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I'm sure there's a formula, but Murray admits that his elbow is not all there yet. He's had better clay results in the last couple of years, admittedly, but, given that Andy and Novak are coming off of injury lay-offs, and Rafa is having the 2nd best year after the miraculously resurrected Federer, how does Rafa come in third, at a tournament he's won 9 times? (Not to mention that Murray never has won it.) Curious as to the rubric that gets you to those numbers, friend.
Yes, there is a formula, it is explained in another thread (to avoid cross posting): https://discuss.tennis/tennisforum/...nis-prediction-challenge-atp.1281/#post-50769
Unfortunately, formula does not take into account Murray's bad elbow :(, nor Djokovic's meditation needs :(, at least not for now :) (just kidding, this is hard to model)
Formula also does not take into account past tournament results (like Nadal's in Monte-Carlo), this is a good idea, looking forward to implement it for the next tournaments.
Btw, main reason why Rafa comes here third, is because current formula is heavily influenced with Elo ratings (global and by surface), which indicate current form in recent broader period (6 months to 1 year) and in this category Murray (global Elo) and Djokovic (Clay Elo) are better then Nadal.
Formula still does not reflect good enough recent form is the very short period (up to 3 months), although it is discutable how recent form reflects in match outcome when there is a switch in surface, like moving from hard to clay. I would say it has negligible impact, but of course, training neural network on historical data can answer this question the best.
 
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Yes, there is a formula, it is explained in another thread (to avoid cross posting): Formula still does not reflect good enough recent form is the very short period (up to 3 months), although it is discutable how recent form reflects in match outcome when there is a switch in surface, like moving from hard to clay. I would say it has negligible impact, but of course, training neural network on historical data can answer this question the best.

Very, very interesting mcekovic. I would guess that, in general, improvement in recent form translates from one surface to another. Modeling wise, that is the equivalent to accept that there is some correlation between the different surfaces, which I guess is quite reasonable. On average, I would guess even that the correlation is strong.
 

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Front242 said:
Carol35 said:
What a brilliant point by Bautista, I hope he is feeling better after his stomach problems since IW and also in Miami, then he could do a good tournament

https://twitter.com/TennisTV/status/853931809402478592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.puntodebreak.com%2F2017%2F04%2F17%2Fasi-gano-roberto-bautista-epico-partido-montecarlo

How long has he had a sore tummy? 1 month? Poor guy. Doesn't seem to affect his game even 0.0001% mind you.

I don't know why you starting up w/ her. I swear ya'll both like 2 petulant kids.