Monte Carlo Rolex Masters 2017, Monaco, ATP Masters 1000

[Front242]

That's some of the dumbest crap I've read here, AP as there's plenty of logic in my posts. Like other Nadal fans though, you get so caught up on hating on Federer fans you don't even read what we type.

Had to edit to say I love that your stupid cronies even liked that dumb post. Sad. Says it all really.

That's the problem..you have been the voice for some of the Fed fans. KS and Darth are Fed fans but I rarely see a post that they doesn't back up with facts or logic. There are a few others who had a some very good legitimate arguments. Then there is you. It annoys you that the sun shines on any of Nadal victories. Instead of laying dormant and keeping your big mouth shut, you rather pick at things about Nadal that you know a lot of folks maybe on the fence with him about. Then you began your rant and those who had some past issues about Rafa overcoming Roger during the past almost ten years jump on. "Yeah Front, I didn't like that Soderling didn't get his full due for someone finally getting past Rafa at RG "which opened the door for Roger plus an enormous choking by Haas. This alone has taken up two pages about Soderling. I honestly didn't know he left the tour but maybe was struggling at the challenger series level. This thread was supposed to be about MC. But before anyone come began to discuss Nadal's victory. You turned this into some Fed fans like yourself vs Rafa and his fans. Nah..I don't hate Fed fans, actually a lot I like and respect. Then there is you. Nuff Said.

I posted a ton of facts earlier actually but yet again, you've proven to us all that you DON'T READ POSTS PROPERLY 'COS YOU'RE TOO DAMN ANGRY AT FEDERER FANS ALL THE TIME. It's been pointed out in this thread, incorrectly I might add that Nadal is one of the fairest guys on tour and I posted a load of facts earlier this morning proving that is absolute horse manure. He deliberately stalls his opponents (even makes them wait a ton while they're doing the coin toss before the match begins ffs), never allows the server to play at their pace due to said stalling, towels off after aces, engages in gamesmanship (all part of the first points), had the cheek to ban an umpire for actually having the nerve (shock horror) to enforce the rules, asked for a 2 year ranking system just to serve himself and he and his uncle wanted the WTF (an indoor event played in indoor season funnily enough) to be played on clay just 'cos he's crap at indoor tennis. These are all facts that you can't deny as they're all 100% true so next time you spout some rubbish about me, try and get it right at least.

As for the Soderling match and my "big mouth", practically everyone except Nadal fans will tell you there was nothing wrong with Nadal's movement there but feel free to only insult me about it. Read back in the thread and it was not me who derailed this btw so get your facts straight. Yes, facts seeing as you like facts. Do some research by seeing who started not talking about Monte Carol first. It wasn't me. Who givesa damn if you respect me or not? Think I give a toss lol? Look at the way you talk to people here. Everyone can see it. You don't even read things properly and falsely accuse people of stuff because of your inability to read. Again, everyone can see that so dream on if you think you're in the right here, mr. angel. By not reading posts properly and accusing people of stuff they didn't type or start, you're just making yourself look like even more of an idiot.

 

[Front242]

In fact it wasn´t Front who brought up the Soderling match. He posted the video after someone else cited it.

So this thread shifted from MC to who was more injured when lost a given match to who is the dumbest poster around. We are making it harder and harder to find it out.

And did you see why that poster cited it?

Yes, but I am trying not to relive it all again (one of the reasons I did not name the poster, and neither called no one the original sinner).

Indeed. It was AP's pal, Carol (a Nadal fan no less, not a Federer fan like AP would have you believe who started this) but as I typed in my posts above, he's too angry at Federer fans to even read posts properly and just likes to blame me for everything. It's fine though, we can all see he's got issues and you've already proven it by showing it wasn't me (which others already knew anyway) that started talking about the Soderling match in this thread.

 

[Front242]

I'll post this again also for all the sore loser Nadal fans here who blame his biggest losses on supposed knee problems that no one can see except them in a kind of "The Emperor's new clothes" way. Anyway, for the record seems none of the usual numbskull suspects who defend Nadal's knee problems and have an excuse for all his biggest losses even read this post so here it is again:

"I'll also add this...Federer had a bad back in 2013 and that's no secret but I don't claim for 1 nanosecond that he lost to Stakhovsky for this reason. Unlike you sad, sore loser Nadal fans I call it like it is: he lost that match as the guy played a really great throwback to 90's era serve and volley fest that caught Roger by surprise. See? It's not hard to be a level headed non biased fan. Try it for once."

Unlike you sorry bunch, I don't blame Roger's back for that loss at Wimbledon 2013 but you sore losers can keep blaming Nadal's loss to Soderling to his knees till the cows come home. And then you have the cheek to say us Federer fans are the same in terms of excusing losses as you are. No, we're most definitely not like you. We're level headed and not blind and delusional.

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5400&pid=252312#pid252312

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I agree. Stakhovsky is nobody. Not even as good as Soderling in terms of career accomplishments. That should not take anything away from his victory in Wimbledon against Fed. On that day, he played bold S&V game and took the master out and that too in his hallowed grounds. Just accept it, congratulate him and move on.

 

[Front242]

I agree. Stakhovsky is nobody. Not even as good as Soderling in terms of career accomplishments. That should not take anything away from his victory in Wimbledon against Fed. On that day, he played bold S&V game and took the master out and that too in his hallowed grounds. Just accept it, congratulate him and move on.

Exactly, hearty congratulations to him. He was great that day though but shouldn't have played the same way next match and promptly lost as so often happens after a big upset. The fact (specially for AP who loves facts except when I type them of course) that Soderling made the RG final 2 straight years proves his victories were no fluke. It's no easy task to win a huge match and march all the way to the final.

 

[the AntiPusher]

:angel: :clap :snicker :laydownlaughing :cover

This is just utter madness.. this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. All of this because Rafa finally won one damn tournament in a full calendar year. All of you are so damn petty.. I said it before is this tennis Frontier or Tennis Federer forever..:devil

Don't play the victim card, AP. There are plenty of Nadal fans here. Sure, there are more Federer fans - but that's the case almost everywhere.

My question was an honest one, I just threw in a tinge of humor. And Fiero is more of a Novak guy, if I'm not mistaken.

I think it would also behoove you to realize that not all Federer fans are Front. Front seems to literally hate Rafa (please correct me if I'm wrong, Front). I certainly don't and have lauded him with praise.

Come on ..I doubt very seriously if all the FEd fans felt I hate all of them. Dude, when you make assumptions it feeds into Fronty narrative. Now Fronty is accusing me of not reading through all of his post, I guess I will put that top of my priorities list. As for Front hating Rafa..it's very evident but I know I don't hate Roger. No one can be so delusional to think that I am not fair.. however its ludicrous to accuse me of not be able to comprehend all of these posts. Unsportsmanlike Rafa transcends to Rafa's no injuries to Soderling. It's been an adventure but really an exercise of futility, IMO.

 

[El Dude]

I honestly don't know how a tennis fan could "hate" Rafa or Roger. It would be like a rock and roll fan "hating" John Lennon or Jimi Hendrix. These guys are iconic, incredible athletes.

Now I don't love Rafa's style of play, but I respect it for its effectiveness. I've said before, but I think you could make a good argument that Rafa, in his prime and on his favorite surface, is the hardest player to beat in tennis history. In fact, I think it goes beyond "making a good argument" to being almost incontestable.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I agree. Stakhovsky is nobody. Not even as good as Soderling in terms of career accomplishments. That should not take anything away from his victory in Wimbledon against Fed. On that day, he played bold S&V game and took the master out and that too in his hallowed grounds. Just accept it, congratulate him and move on.

Exactly, hearty congratulations to him. He was great that day though but shouldn't have played the same way next match and promptly lost as so often happens after a big upset. The fact (specially for AP who loves facts except when I type them of course) that Soderling made the RG final 2 straight years proves his victories were no fluke. It's no easy task to win a huge match and march all the way to the final.

Here's my two cents..no one said that you are not entitled to your opinion but yours is based on your biases which leads to a false competive banter. Most would assumed since there's a rejuvenated Federer you would be content but I see you forget how you felt when Roger's decline was beginning with no real solutions on the tennis horizons..However there was one poster who stated that he would be back to prominence (ref my post with the other Nadal hater herios). When I stated your big mouth, it was the God's honest truth. When your comments are just a consistent whining sequence then your posts loose any logic as I stated before. Now why it's so hard for others to ride the fence about refusing to censor you baffles me. You see things One way in essence it's really the other way. Wouldn't it be prudent of you to champion the victories Nadal has over Federer, doesn't it adds to the folklore of Federer..I will let you ponder that and if you are as intelligent as you have convinced yourself that you are, then your comprehension of this post should feed the asinine concepts that are currently controlling your mental anguish.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I honestly don't know how a tennis fan could "hate" Rafa or Roger. It would be like a rock and roll fan "hating" John Lennon or Jimi Hendrix. These guys are iconic, incredible athletes.

Now I don't love Rafa's style of play, but I respect it for its effectiveness. I've said before, but I think you could make a good argument that Rafa, in his prime and on his favorite surface, is the hardest player to beat in tennis history. In fact, I think it goes beyond "making a good argument" to being almost incontestable.

Same with Rafa, how can someone hate him as a competitor..Wouldn't you agree that a person can work on their game and mimic Rafa's tennis skills somewhat..but you can't become another Roger..it's like becoming another MJ or Kobe. But you can learn how to compete for every point like Nadal. If you had to have one player play a game if your well being dependent on it, for me and John McEnroe, it's Nadal.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Carol, I'm honestly curious: Do you think Rafa has ever simply been out-played, at least in his prime years? Or is it always because of injury, family stuff, Mercury in retrograde, etc?

:angel: :clap :snicker :laydownlaughing :cover

This is just utter madness.. this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. All of this because Rafa finally won one damn tournament in a full calendar year. All of you are so damn petty.. I said it before is this tennis Frontier or Tennis Federer forever..:devil

Actually, not too long ago, Tennis Frontier was dominated by Nadalites. The feddies on TF used to be less in contrast to worldwide proportion of feddies vs. nadalites. Unfortunately, many seem to have either quit or moved to greener pastures. Moxie, Tented, Brokenshoelace etc come to mind immediately. Not to mention the unforgettable "autopilot" who used to worship Rafa (not just Rafa's tennis) and post messages in which he will project Rafa as a saint (helping untouchables etc). If any of you thinks, Carole is a fangirl, she is nothing compared to autopilot.

 

[El Dude]

GS&M, there was another Rafa fan whose name I can't remember that was more fanboy/girlish than Carol. I think he got banned (before my time as a moderator).

Same with Rafa, how can someone hate him as a competitor..Wouldn't you agree that a person can work on their game and mimic Rafa's tennis skills somewhat..but you can't become another Roger..it's like becoming another MJ or Kobe. But you can learn how to compete for every point like Nadal. If you had to have one player play a game if your well being dependent on it, for me and John McEnroe, it's Nadal.

Yeah, he's definitely an unreal competitor. Take even the recent AO. Roger really was outplaying him for most of the match, but Rafa still ended up being up a break in the 5th. Roger really should have won that in 3 or 4 sets, but Rafa's heart--coupled with unearthly clutch shot-making--kept him in, even gave him the edge, until Roger stopped blowing his break chances.

As for your question, it really depends upon context. But yeah, in probably more contexts than any other player, peak Rafa would be the guy you'd want to put your life in the hands of, at least on clay and maybe hards (at his best). On grass? I've still got to go with Roger, or even peak Pete.

 

[Carol]

:angel: :clap :snicker :laydownlaughing :cover

This is just utter madness.. this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. All of this because Rafa finally won one damn tournament in a full calendar year. All of you are so damn petty.. I said it before is this tennis Frontier or Tennis Federer forever..:devil

Actually, not too long ago, Tennis Frontier was dominated by Nadalites. The feddies on TF used to be less in contrast to worldwide proportion of feddies vs. nadalites. Unfortunately, many seem to have either quit or moved to greener pastures. Moxie, Tented, Brokenshoelace etc come to mind immediately. Not to mention the unforgettable "autopilot" who used to worship Rafa (not just Rafa's tennis) and post messages in which he will project Rafa as a saint (helping untouchables etc). If any of you thinks, Carole is a fangirl, she is nothing compared to autopilot.

Ok, I've just read your comment......this is really funny, how can you call me fangirl when you are even more a Roger's fanboy? but the big difference is that when your idol is playing I have not the worst whises for him like you constantly do for Rafa. Believe me or not I never care too much about what Roger does or doesn't but I see how much most of you care about Rafa so you should take my responds with more calm than you do, the ball goes to the wall and comeback, not everything always has to go in your side

 

[El Dude]

Carol, you are a MASSIVE fangirl - but wear it proudly! How can you possibly deny it?

 

[Front242]

I agree. Stakhovsky is nobody. Not even as good as Soderling in terms of career accomplishments. That should not take anything away from his victory in Wimbledon against Fed. On that day, he played bold S&V game and took the master out and that too in his hallowed grounds. Just accept it, congratulate him and move on.

Exactly, hearty congratulations to him. He was great that day though but shouldn't have played the same way next match and promptly lost as so often happens after a big upset. The fact (specially for AP who loves facts except when I type them of course) that Soderling made the RG final 2 straight years proves his victories were no fluke. It's no easy task to win a huge match and march all the way to the final.

Here's my two cents..no one said that you are not entitled to your opinion but yours is based on your biases which leads to a false competive banter. Most would assumed since there's a rejuvenated Federer you would be content but I see you forget how you felt when Roger's decline was beginning with no real solutions on the tennis horizons..However there was one poster who stated that he would be back to prominence (ref my post with the other Nadal hater herios). When I stated your big mouth, it was the God's honest truth. When your comments are just a consistent whining sequence then your posts loose any logic as I stated before. Now why it's so hard for others to ride the fence about refusing to censor you baffles me. You see things One way in essence it's really the other way. Wouldn't it be prudent of you to champion the victories Nadal has over Federer, doesn't it adds to the folklore of Federer..I will let you ponder that and if you are as intelligent as you have convinced yourself that you are, then your comprehension of this post should feed the asinine concepts that are currently controlling your mental anguish.

My comprehension of your post is this: you say everyone is entitled to their opinion but mine is biased. Do you even realize what you're saying when you type it? You really mean to tell me, you, Kieran and Carol are not biased towards Nadal? :lolz::laydownlaughing Literally everything you've said here is EXACTLY the same with you Nadal fans. You all claim Nadal was injured in his biggest losses where we Federer fans even post you videos showing he was moving 100% fine and yet you all say the same about Federer that you noticed nothing wrong with him but of course you can't provide videos because then we'd see in the matches in 2013 such as Indian Wells and the clay losses to Delbonis and Brands where Roger was stiff and rigid and didn't move for tons of balls, leaving them fly past him instead. Sorry but another pointless, stupid post.

The only thing asinine (and it's not my concepts) is your posts like this which make no sense as you seem to think only I'm biased. I'm not btw as I already posted above that Stakhovsky beat Federer fair and square at Wimbledon so, really, it's just you miserable, sore loser Nadal sods here and elsewhere who are biased and asinine, to use your word as you have an excuse ready for all his biggest losses even when the rest of us can tell you these excuses are nonsense. And my posts don't lose any logic, you're just incapable of reading anything negative about Nadal like Kieran and Carol even when it's 100% truth. That's not any issue with me and my "logic" but you and your sore loser, Nadal buddies here and elsewhere.

Edited just to say that of course, by its very nature, being a fan of anyone means there will always be some bias but for you to word as if I'm biased and you and your Nadal buddies are not and always speak the truth is both delusional and laughably embarrassing to read and your bias is way more prominent than mine but you're too blind to see it. See excuses for Nadal chapters 1-65.

 

[El Dude]

This conversation got me interested in re-watching highlights from some old matches. One that was particularly striking was the 2014 AO. Two things were clear:

1) Stan was playing amazing.
2) Rafa definitely got hurt, late in the second set I believe, although seemed to feel better by the third set (which he won).

I bring this match up because it is a good Rorschach test. If you hate Rafa, you'll ignore or deny his injury, or at least say it had no bearing on his loss. If you're a biased Rafa fan, you might think he lost because of his injury. I personally think that the injury played a factor, but it is important to realize that Stan was dominating before Rafa got hurt: up almost two sets. In other words, there was a good chance that Stan would have won anyway. But yeah, Rafa's injury played a factor and probably helped Stan seal the deal.

 

[Front242]

I won't deny Rafa's injury there as it was obvious. But he was fine till 2-0 down in set 2. Clearly when he's serving the speed of Sara Errani something is wrong.

 

[DarthFed]

I honestly don't know how a tennis fan could "hate" Rafa or Roger. It would be like a rock and roll fan "hating" John Lennon or Jimi Hendrix. These guys are iconic, incredible athletes.

Now I don't love Rafa's style of play, but I respect it for its effectiveness. I've said before, but I think you could make a good argument that Rafa, in his prime and on his favorite surface, is the hardest player to beat in tennis history. In fact, I think it goes beyond "making a good argument" to being almost incontestable.

It's pretty easy to hate them if you think they've been "pounding some good stuff" for much of their career. Kieran thinks this is the case with a certain geriatric too, dangerous thinking for a Rafa fan. And yes of course there is style of play and the delay tactics, gamesmanship, and constant complaining from Rafa and Uncle Homie don't exactly endear me to Nads.

 

[the AntiPusher]

This conversation got me interested in re-watching highlights from some old matches. One that was particularly striking was the 2014 AO. Two things were clear:

1) Stan was playing amazing.
2) Rafa definitely got hurt, late in the second set I believe, although seemed to feel better by the third set (which he won).

I bring this match up because it is a good Rorschach test. If you hate Rafa, you'll ignore or deny his injury, or at least say it had no bearing on his loss. If you're a biased Rafa fan, you might think he lost because of his injury. I personally think that the injury played a factor, but it is important to realize that Stan was dominating before Rafa got hurt: up almost two sets. In other words, there was a good chance that Stan would have won anyway. But yeah, Rafa's injury played a factor and probably helped Stan seal the deal.

Everyone knows Rafa injury occurred before the match begin.
Here we go again. If I recall Rafa injury occurred in the pre match warm up.

 

[Kieran]

 

[rafanoy1992]

This conversation got me interested in re-watching highlights from some old matches. One that was particularly striking was the 2014 AO. Two things were clear:

1) Stan was playing amazing.
2) Rafa definitely got hurt, late in the second set I believe, although seemed to feel better by the third set (which he won).

I bring this match up because it is a good Rorschach test. If you hate Rafa, you'll ignore or deny his injury, or at least say it had no bearing on his loss. If you're a biased Rafa fan, you might think he lost because of his injury. I personally think that the injury played a factor, but it is important to realize that Stan was dominating before Rafa got hurt: up almost two sets. In other words, there was a good chance that Stan would have won anyway. But yeah, Rafa's injury played a factor and probably helped Stan seal the deal.

I would say this a Nadal fan, what strikes me most of that 2014 final will be always be that Nadal could not compete at the highest level because of the back injury. That's why his loss against Federer this year is not as disappointing compared to 2012 and 2014 losses. Because at least in this year's loss, I could argue or say that Federer was the more aggressive player AND Nadal was not injured (meaning he was able to play his heart out).

As a fan of Nadal with his competitive drive, the one thing I want from him is just to play his heart out. Because I watched sports enough that a player or a team will not always win, but if he/she or the team plays their hearts out, then as a fan, I could not ask for more from them.